New build! :D

[Dantemoulin]

I am planning to completely get rid of my old gaming rig from 2011 and build a whole new system.

I want to try and get in to some basic water cooling.

Here is my thoughts:

Case: Corsair 650D

MOBO: ASUS Maximus V Formula + Thunder FX

CPU: Intel core i7 3770k

RAM: Corsair Dominator Platinum 2x8GB 1866MHz CL9

OS disks: 2x Corsair Neutron GTX 120GB (RAID 0)

Backup disks: 2x WD Black 1TB

GPU: ASUS GTX680 DC2

PSU: Corsair AX760i

Watercooling components:

CPU block: EK Supremacy acetal+nickel

Radiator: EK-Coolstream RAD XTC

Reservoir: EK-Bay Spin Reservoir Acetal CSQ

Pump: EK-DSP 4.0

Or combo: EK-Reservoir Combo DCP 4.0

Tubing: Some swedish branding, clear 1/2"

Liquid: EK-Ekoolant blood red 1000ml

What kind of fittings do I need for this? Have I forgotten something?

Should I even go through with this or should I wait for Haswell and build a system based on that?

[Guest]

I would personally only water cool the CPU for the moment and see what happens with the 700 and 8000 series. You may want to look into selling the 670 and getting the newer card.

Also, why do you say your existing rig isn't cutting it? What's in it?

[Helltech]

Obviously you don't have a tight budget so I would recommend waiting for Haswell because you dump all that money into a brand new system.

[Dantemoulin]

I would personally only water cool the CPU for the moment and see what happens with the 700 and 8000 series. You may want to look into selling the 670 and getting the newer card.

Also, why do you say your existing rig isn't cutting it? What's in it?

My current:

Case: Corsair 650D

MOBO: Asus Maximus IV Gene

CPU: Intel Core i7 2600k

RAM: Corsair Vengeance 1600Mhz CL8 2x4GB

OS drive: Corsair Force GT 120

Backup drive: Seagate Barracuda Green 2TB

GPU: Asus GTX580 Matrix Platinum

PSU: Corsair AX850

I do a lot of editing in CAD (Solidworks), Sony vegas, Cubase and some other 3D editing softwares.

My current rig just feels slow and it does not fit my needs.

The reason I want to completely get rid of the system is because I want to try some new stuff.

My first plan was to upgrade GPU to a 680, get another SSD, new CPU cooler and leave the rest.

But then I read about the new Corsair Link and got really curious about that and I really want to try that.

And to really get the full experience with Link I have to get new RAM and new PSU.

So that basically means I have to get almost a whole new system.

I have thought a lot about what kind of cpu cooler I want but have decided I want to go with real water cooling.

I can sacrifice the corsair cooler.

[Dantemoulin]

Obviously you don't have a tight budget so I would recommend waiting for Haswell because you dump all that money into a brand new system.

I don't know yet but I am thinking a lot about it...

And no my budget is not a problem :P

[Guest]

You'll see next to no gain from switching to a 3770K - http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=551

Your existing rig is kickass at the moment - your proposed system is merely a side step - nothing really gained.

Where is it struggling? CPU? RAM? Graphics?

[christoi]

You will really see marginal performance improvements with that, Sandy and Ivy are very similar clock to clock, plus in compute applications Kepler is on-par, if not weaker than Fermi. Upgrading to LGA2011 i7's or Xeons would probably be a better choice, possibly also getting a Quadro if really necessary.

[Dantemoulin]

You'll see next to no gain from switching to a 3770K - http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=551

Your existing rig is kickass at the moment - your proposed system is merely a side step - nothing really gained.

Where is it struggling? CPU? RAM? Graphics?

hmm I thought that because of the manufacturing tech shrink to 22nm would mean better performance... you learn new things every day I guess :)

I don't know if it is the GPU or my SSD that is the bottleneck.

I am currently playing a lot of minecraft with LOTS of mods and it runs super slow when loading chunks and stuff, my GPU is barley being used at all so that can't be the problem.

My SSD gets 7.9 at WEI and on benchmarks it performs according to specs but in reality it does not even perform much faster than my old Corsair F60 (old SATA2) drive.

[Dantemoulin]

You will really see marginal performance improvements with that, Sandy and Ivy are very similar clock to clock, plus in compute applications Kepler is on-par, if not weaker than Fermi. Upgrading to LGA2011 i7's or Xeons would probably be a better choice, possibly also getting a Quadro if really necessary.

I am really curious about those Quadro cards, only thing I know is that they have lots of memory but somewhat slow clock speeds, I really don't see any advantage here since I rarely use multiple monitors.

Are they really that relevant for high-end desktops because Nvidia states that they are meant for professional workstations.

[christoi]

You will really see marginal performance improvements with that, Sandy and Ivy are very similar clock to clock, plus in compute applications Kepler is on-par, if not weaker than Fermi. Upgrading to LGA2011 i7's or Xeons would probably be a better choice, possibly also getting a Quadro if really necessary.

Quadro's are geared more for workstation-grade applications, which includes things like modeling, CAD and video editing. Specifications-wise they are very similar to their GeForce counterparts, but the major advantage is better driver optimizations for such applications, which gives better performance. Since you are seemly using your systems for only such applications, it may be worth considering.

They are said to be meant for professional use because it offers better performance and to an extent reliability though, so there's no special reason behind it. Since you are saying that your current rig is feeling slow, that would really be the only major way of further increasing performance (assuming the programs you are using are utilizing GPU acceleration).

Larger point is, you will see virtually no performance in the applications you listed with a GTX680, because it's performance in compute applications is similar, if not weaker than the GTX580. Overclocking will help, but not much. Thus, such an upgrade really won't change things that much. Mind you, your current rig is already rather powerful, so there's not too much you can do to further increase performance without spending a huge amount of money on super high-end hardware.

[Blade of Grass]

If your getting rid of your old rig (throwing it out?) can I have it :P

In all seriousness, wait till haswell, your rig is kick ass.

If it feels slow, download and use Ccleaner.

[Dantemoulin]

If your getting rid of your old rig (throwing it out?) can I have it :P

In all seriousness, wait till haswell, your rig is kick ass.

If it feels slow, download and use Ccleaner.

If I was to throw it away I would of course sell it :P

Because of all the comments I have gotten I have chosen to wait till Haswell or at least wait for some benchmarks of it and see if there is any major performance improvements over Ivy-bridge.

I have seen Ccleaner almost everywhere but I have always assumed it was a fake program that will scan your computer for errors and it says it discovers 100's of errors and then you have to pay for the program to actually fix them. I would very much like to know more about it. :) I will google it right away, thank you :)

[Guest]

If your getting rid of your old rig (throwing it out?) can I have it :P

In all seriousness, wait till haswell, your rig is kick ass.

If it feels slow, download and use Ccleaner.

Works really well. Just don't backup the registry if you run the registry cleaner.

[Dantemoulin]

If your getting rid of your old rig (throwing it out?) can I have it :P

In all seriousness, wait till haswell, your rig is kick ass.

If it feels slow, download and use Ccleaner.

I will definitely try it out! :)