Samsung and Oppo sued over bloatware in China

[dalekphalm]

That means all hard drive companies should be sued aswell

Not true, because HDD manufacturers state that a "1TB HDD" is 1,000,000,000,000 Byte drive. They're using the literal SI definition of "Tera" prefix.

 

So your 1TB HDD is in fact 1 trillion bytes big. This is a long standing problem with the industry, when they co-opted a prefix that has a different definition than used. The "--bibyte" prefix was invented to solve this. so 1TB (Where 1TB = 1024 GB) is actually renamed to 1TiB (TiB meaning Tebibyte).

 

It's confusing as fuck, and certainly isn't good, but it's also easier to manufacture a HDD that has a solid even number of bytes (and therefore sectors).

[Zeruel]

Hahahaha china helping citizens. hahahahahahaha.

 

 

LOL Anti suicide nets in their factories?

[Robin88]

Yeah, but do they? Have you ever had a 1tb driver with 1024 gb's usable?? No, its always 980 and up.

There was a series of lawsuits back in the early 2000's because of this, WD, Seagate and Hitachi I believe were sued due to misrepresenting storage space on HDD's, and ever since then HDD manufacturers and Flash storage manufacturers have stated on their packaging that 1GB is equal to 1billion Bytes using the Base10 counting system and stipulate that OS's measure it differently and that some space is lost due to formatting, which while not technically untrue, it does allow them to sell you far less than you pay for.

In fact if you use a HDD in OS X you'll see that it measures storage in Base10, meaning that a 1TB HDD is 1trillion Bytes, whereas Windows reports it in Base2 which would make it 1.024trillion Bytes, but because the HDD manufacturer only makes a 1TB HDD 1trillion Bytes in size it results in the 980GB you see, which results in OS X reporting the claimed storage as correct when Windows doesn't, even though Windows is also correct.

It's super confusing for those who don't know that computers count in Base2 instead of how humans count, which is Base10 and they still think they're being short changed when technically they aren't.

[dalekphalm]

There was a series of lawsuits back in the early 2000's because of this, WD, Seagate and Hitachi I believe were sued due to misrepresenting storage space on HDD's, and ever since then HDD manufacturers and Flash storage manufacturers have stated on their packaging that 1GB is equal to 1billion Bytes using the Base10 counting system and stipulate that OS's measure it differently and that some space is lost due to formatting, which while not technically untrue, it does allow them to sell you far less than you pay for.

In fact if you use a HDD in OS X you'll see that it measures storage in Base10, meaning that a 1TB HDD is 1trillion Bytes, whereas Windows reports it in Base2 which would make it 1.024trillion Bytes, but because the HDD manufacturer only makes a 1TB HDD 1trillion Bytes in size it results in the 980GB you see, which results in OS X reporting the claimed storage as correct when Windows doesn't, even though Windows is also correct.

It's super confusing for those who don't know that computers count in Base2 instead of how humans count, which is Base10 and they still think they're being short changed when technically they aren't.

Just for clarification - I've seen this mistake a few times in this thread:

 

1 TB (Terabyte) does NOT equal 980 GiB (Gibibytes). It equals 931 GiB.

 

I've not once ever seen a 1 TB HDD format into 980 GB of useable space.

 

Use this calculator here if you don't want to do the math yourself:

http://www.convertunits.com/from/terabyte/to/gibibyte

[Misanthrope]

Well China is mostly bloatware everywhere: unwanted, cheap knock offs everywhere.

[maazster]

Not true, because HDD manufacturers state that a "1TB HDD" is 1,000,000,000,000 Byte drive. They're using the literal SI definition of "Tera" prefix.

 

So your 1TB HDD is in fact 1 trillion bytes big. This is a long standing problem with the industry, when they co-opted a prefix that has a different definition than used. The "--bibyte" prefix was invented to solve this. so 1TB (Where 1TB = 1024 GB) is actually renamed to 1TiB (TiB meaning Tebibyte).

 

It's confusing as fuck, and certainly isn't good, but it's also easier to manufacture a HDD that has a solid even number of bytes (and therefore sectors).

Alright, I understand now so does that mean windows gives the capacity of the drive in TiB?

[dalekphalm]

Alright, I understand now so does that mean windows gives the capacity of the drive in TiB?

Yes, Windows shows capacity in TiB (Though, confusingly, they still use "TB").

[Robin88]

Just for clarification - I've seen this mistake a few times in this thread:

 

1 TB (Terabyte) does NOT equal 980 GiB (Gibibytes). It equals 931 GiB.

 

I've not once ever seen a 1 TB HDD format into 980 GB of useable space.

 

Use this calculator here if you don't want to do the math yourself:

http://www.convertunits.com/from/terabyte/to/gibibyte

Yeah I know, I didn't do the math and couldn't really be arsed to double check, my bad ^__^

I really shouldn't comment when I'm tired, my brain ends up farting