GPU for my build

[DgtlRenegade]

Hello, I'm browsing computer parts for a build and I'm a little stuck on getting a good GPU.  I figure it would be best to spend ~$200.00 now and if I get another one in a few years for another $200.00 I could eventually crossfire it with my older one.  So, I don't need a top of the line, $600.00 GPU.  Heres my current build

NZXT Switch Case

NZXT 1200W Hale V2

Liquid Cooling (havent decided what kind yet)
    ^---While a bit overkill for my build, this is relatively future proof.  I'm not a believer that a MOBO, GPU, or CPU is future proof (at least not yet), but I believe a case (for sure), power supply, and good cooling can be future proof for at least 10-15 years. 

2x4GB Kingston Fury RAM

AMD 6300 Processor (I know a lot of people here prefer intel, but considering liquid cooling and OCing, is it really worth paying $330.00 for a slightly better intel cpu?)

MOBO is subject to change but right now I'm at MSI ATX 970 GAMING.  I actually really hate MSI but it's preinstalled Liquid Cooling heatsink is hard to pass up.  And its a good price with everything I need. 

I'll add SSDs as I go but I'm thinking of starting with a PCIe SSD for my OS and a 1TB hdd for everything else.  Wouldn't be suprised if I threw in a 120GB SSD just for Skyrim/TESVI since I do a lot of modding.

 

So what do you think for a vid card?  It needs to play all modern games at decent graphics (I dont need everything set to ultra+ settings).  I would, however, like it to have capabilities to run games at 4K resolution.  I'm really resolution sensitive and I'm tired of 1920x1080 games.  I think they're way dated.  Ever since I got my LG G3 with its ~450ppi I realized what a higher resolution can do, though I'm aware the G3 is a bit overkill.  

 

I believe there is always something cheap that can perform only slightly less than the best.  For example, I spend hours looking for a cheap CPU before I decided to switch to AMD which was way cheaper.  AMD Vid Cards don't necessarily seem to be any more cost-effective than nVidia though, unfortunately. 

 

Oh and if you have any other recommendations for a mobo, I'd appreciate it.  Since I have a big case I'd prefer a big mobo just so it looks more full (I'm an enthusiast first, gamer second).  I really, really don't like MSI though...

[ADZ_123_!"£]

Well that psu is massively overkill for any gaming setup (unless your going with like 4 way sli) and I really would get an Intel cpu.

You want a $200 4K gpu? What kind of games do you expect to be playing at that reseloution?

[ZetZet]

AMD 6300 Processor (I know a lot of people here prefer intel, but considering liquid cooling and OCing, is it really worth paying $330.00 for a slightly better intel cpu?)

especially if you are water cooling yes. Because you will not want to take it apart soon. Intel cpu's are not slightly better, they are better in every way.

[ImBleu]

Well that psu is massively overkill for any gaming setup (unless your going with like 4 way sli) and I really would get an Intel cpu.

You want a $200 4K gpu? What kind of games do you expect to be playing at that reseloution?

 

Minesweeper.

 

As for the OP, Look at the GTX960 or R9 270x - 280s, they should all be around that mark. But I actually would really recommend aiming for an i5-4690k CPU and compatibly motherboard. You can lower the PSU a lot (heck I run an overclocked i7 and GTX980 off a 760, which is also overkill. I'd recommend going for a lower watt power supply and not getting the AIO watercooler yet, rather buy the 4790k and Z97 motherboard (Anniversary is about $99) and then buy the cooler later. You can buy an AIO later but you can't buy the upgrade to intel later.

[ZetZet]

MOBO is subject to change but right now I'm at MSI ATX 970 GAMING.  I actually really hate MSI but it's preinstalled Liquid Cooling heatsink is hard to pass up.  And its a good price with everything I need. 

what liquid cooling heatsink. 970 chipset is pretty bad for overclocking.

[DgtlRenegade]

Well that psu is massively overkill for any gaming setup (unless your going with like 4 way sli) and I really would get an Intel cpu.

You want a $200 4K gpu? What kind of games do you expect to be playing at that reseloution?

I don't see anything wrong with overkill on power supply.  Especially since I mentioned maybe cross-firing later.  I might consider going to the 1000W version but its not a major price difference.  The major issue with cross-firing is how expensive it gets when you need a new mobo, and then a new power supply in addition to a new video card.  Skyrim running at 4k resolution would be nice.  Even if most of the games textures are much lower quality, I think it helps a little.

With liquid cooling you can OC that AMD processor to the point where clock speed is pretty much irrelevant.  Still, the arch isn't as good as an intel, but are you sure it will end up making a big difference anyways?

Hmm, so everyone here seems to think an AMD chip isn't going to preform as well as an intel.  I knew this place leans towards intel normally, but its hard to ignore everyone.  I will consider getting an i5.  I think i7s are way to expensive and i3's are really only good for gaming.  Plus, that frees up my mobo so I can get a good asus one. (unimpressed with am3+ asus mobos)

[ZetZet]

I don't see anything wrong with overkill on power supply.  Especially since I mentioned maybe cross-firing later.  I might consider going to the 1000W version but its not a major price difference.  The major issue with cross-firing is how expensive it gets when you need a new mobo, and then a new power supply in addition to a new video card.  Skyrim running at 4k resolution would be nice.  Even if most of the games textures are much lower quality, I think it helps a little.

With liquid cooling you can OC that AMD processor to the point where clock speed is pretty much irrelevant.  Still, the arch isn't as good as an intel, but are you sure it will end up making a big difference anyways?

you don't need 1000w for two gpu's either.

 

With liquid cooling you can OC that AMD processor to the point where clock speed is pretty much irrelevant.

since when is that possible why doesn't everyone get fx6300 with watercooling then.

[ADZ_123_!"£]

I don't see anything wrong with overkill on power supply.  Especially since I mentioned maybe cross-firing later.  I might consider going to the 1000W version but its not a major price difference.  The major issue with cross-firing is how expensive it gets when you need a new mobo, and then a new power supply in addition to a new video card.  Skyrim running at 4k resolution would be nice.  Even if most of the games textures are much lower quality, I think it helps a little.

With liquid cooling you can OC that AMD processor to the point where clock speed is pretty much irrelevant.  Still, the arch isn't as good as an intel, but are you sure it will end up making a big difference anyways?

No really that's a super ridiculously massively stupidly large massive waste of money. With the money you have saved from buying a massive psu go and buy a Intel proccessor it's much better and even a pentium will perform better than the FX6300.

[manikyath]

so.. you're putting a $200 GPU in a 1200W psu watercooled build...

 

unbalanced much?

 

also, you'll be buying at least one top of the line GPU for smooth 4K gaming at 60 FPS.

 

 

get yourself a 750W platinum power supply, an i5 4690K and a tower cooler.

 

that should free up enough money to get a GTX 970 or a comparable AMD card.

 

you need to balance cost over the parts you're going to get, and getting a 1200SW power supply is plain stupid if it only leaves $200 for a GPU.

 

the reason overkill on a PSU is stupid is because you're spending money on something you'll NEVER end up using.

EDIT: also, why the hell a pci-e SSD, get yourself a sata SSD, and free up more money for your other, more important components.

[Atmos]

 they are better in every way.

 

That information is so horrendously incorrect I can't even stand it.

 

and 8350, which costs the same as a i5 4460 still when able to run on all 8 cores is still about 43% more powerful. It losses in gaming, and in 4core operations hands down, but the intel competition to it certainly is not "... better in every way."

 

Are they good for gaming? No, not in any way anymore, unless you want to stream and do a begillion other things at the same time like I do, in which case i heavily considered a 9590 over the 4690K or 1231v3. Theres a place for everything, and even amd's aging chips still has a hold on some situations.

[SkywardKkalox]

I don't see anything wrong with overkill on power supply.  Especially since I mentioned maybe cross-firing later.  I might consider going to the 1000W version but its not a major price difference.  The major issue with cross-firing is how expensive it gets when you need a new mobo, and then a new power supply in addition to a new video card.  Skyrim running at 4k resolution would be nice.  Even if most of the games textures are much lower quality, I think it helps a little.

With liquid cooling you can OC that AMD processor to the point where clock speed is pretty much irrelevant.  Still, the arch isn't as good as an intel, but are you sure it will end up making a big difference anyways?

Even crossfire 290x won't need 1200W.

850w is the max for even 290x's

[ADZ_123_!"£]

That information is so horrendously incorrect I can't even stand it.

 

and 8350, which costs the same as a i5 4460 still when able to run on all 8 cores is still about 43% more powerful. It losses in gaming, and in 4core operations hands down, but the intel competition to it certainly is not "... better in every way."

 

Are they good for gaming? No, not in any way anymore, unless you want to stream and do a begillion other things at the same time like I do, in which case i heavily considered a 9590 over the 4690K or 1231v3. Theres a place for everything, and even amd's aging chips still has a hold on some situations.

Well it is a gaming build...

[c0d0ps]

I don't see anything wrong with overkill on power supply.  Especially since I mentioned maybe cross-firing later.  I might consider going to the 1000W version but its not a major price difference.  The major issue with cross-firing is how expensive it gets when you need a new mobo, and then a new power supply in addition to a new video card.  Skyrim running at 4k resolution would be nice.  Even if most of the games textures are much lower quality, I think it helps a little.

With liquid cooling you can OC that AMD processor to the point where clock speed is pretty much irrelevant.  Still, the arch isn't as good as an intel, but are you sure it will end up making a big difference anyways?

Hmm, so everyone here seems to think an AMD chip isn't going to preform as well as an intel.  I knew this place leans towards intel normally, but its hard to ignore everyone.  I will consider getting an i5.  I think i7s are way to expensive and i3's are really only good for gaming.  Plus, that frees up my mobo so I can get a good asus one. (unimpressed with am3+ asus mobos)

650w-800w is enough for sli/crossfire no matter what gpus they are.

[ZetZet]

That information is so horrendously incorrect I can't even stand it.

 

and 8350, which costs the same as a i5 4460 still when able to run on all 8 cores is still about 43% more powerful. It losses in gaming, and in 4core operations hands down, but the intel competition to it certainly is not "... better in every way."

 

Are they good for gaming? No, not in any way anymore, unless you want to stream and do a begillion other things at the same time like I do, in which case i heavily considered a 9590 over the 4690K or 1231v3. Theres a place for everything, and even amd's aging chips still has a hold on some situations.

except it doesn't cost the same. 

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($166.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Motherboard: ASRock H81M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($51.29 @ SuperBiiz) 

Total: $218.28

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-22 13:18 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($157.95 @ SuperBiiz) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($26.98 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($72.00 @ SuperBiiz) 

Total: $256.93

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-22 13:18 EDT-0400

 

You can almost get a xeon for a comparable price because I picked the cheapest cooler and mobo for fx.

 

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($231.95 @ SuperBiiz) 

Motherboard: ASRock H81M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($51.29 @ SuperBiiz) 

Total: $283.24

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-22 13:20 EDT-0400

 

 

and 9590 is just plain stupid to buy. The performance increase over fx8320/8350 is laughable.

[DgtlRenegade]

Haha, maybe I didn't do a good job explaining the psu.  Its very much for future projects.  A video card will get outdated, as will my cpu, mobo, and even RAM gets outdated from time to time (not very often).  It's extremely nice to have a large psu in reserve.  Even if I didn't use it for this build, I'm a hoarder and like having spare parts around like a massive cpu.  As I said, I'm an enthusiest first, gamer second and I wouldn't be surprised if a year from now I start throwing things in my pc that takes ~1000W to run.  

Also the 6600 series is $94.00 on amazon and I imagine I'd need a cpu cooling pad for intel or amd.

[Atmos]

Well it is a gaming build...

 

I know, but his quote is, "Intel is... better in every way."

Which its price competition to amd is not. For gaming yes, but not for other more server-like activities.

 

 

 

 

except it doesn't cost the same. 

 

Total: $218.28

 

Total: $256.93

 

 

And even going with a more expensive intel chip brings the same conclusion. Even a 4670 or a 4590 still lose out on full chip operations.

[ADZ_123_!"£]

Haha, maybe I didn't do a good job explaining the psu.  Its very much for future projects.  A video card will get outdated, as will my cpu, mobo, and even RAM gets outdated from time to time (not very often).  It's extremely nice to have a large psu in reserve.  Even if I didn't use it for this build, I'm a hoarder and like having spare parts around like a massive cpu.  As I said, I'm an enthusiest first, gamer second and I wouldn't be surprised if a year from now I start throwing things in my pc that takes ~1000W to run.  

PC hardware is getting much more efficent I mean just look at Maxwell AMD's 300 series will also be more effecient, it's still a stupid waste of money but hell it's not my money to waste.

[SkywardKkalox]

I know, but his quote is, "Intel is... better in every way."

Which its price competition to amd is not. For gaming yes, but not for other more server-like activities.

 

 

 

 

 

And even going with a more expensive intel chip brings the same conclusion. Even a 4670 or a 4590 still lose out on full chip operations.

Don't forget that OP wants to do a custom loop on that build as well..

Totally not worth. For that build.

[ADZ_123_!"£]

@DgtlRenegade What is the entire budget for your build because we can find parts that will be a million times better for the price.

[ZetZet]

I know, but his quote is, "Intel is... better in every way."

Which its price competition to amd is not. For gaming yes, but not for other more server-like activities.

 

And even going with a more expensive intel chip brings the same conclusion. Even a 4670 or a 4590 still lose out on full chip operations.

xeon completely destoys fx in every scenario in which it would be comparable to i5... sure fx might beat i5 slightly on well optimised applications which are rare, but okay.

[Atmos]

Don't forget that OP wants to do a custom loop on that build as well..

Totally not worth. For that build.

 

It's almost as if no one understood what i posted at all... I wasn't telling the op that he should go amd for his gaming build, I never said that. All i did was correct a mistake someone made.

[DgtlRenegade]

Here is what I'm referring to when I say AMD is cheaper than intel.  http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-5820K-vs-AMD-FX-8350/2579vs1489

Budget for build is ~900.00

Casing is a keeper.  I'm sorry, I know its overkill but the casing is what makes it beautiful and fun to work with and as I said, I'm an enthusiast. 

[ADZ_123_!"£]

Here is what I'm referring to when I say AMD is cheaper than intel.  http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-5820K-vs-AMD-FX-8350/2579vs1489

Right ok...

Each core on a cpu has a IPC, instruction per core, in games it benifits from less of a very high IPC where as what AMD provides is a lot of cards with a very low IPC which is much worse for gaming.

[DgtlRenegade]

Right ok...

Each core on a cpu has a IPC, instruction per core, in games it benifits from less of a very high IPC where as what AMD provides is a lot of cards with a very low IPC which is much worse for gaming.

You do know there might be 1-2 games which either of those CPUs can't handle flawlessly, right?

[ADZ_123_!"£]

You do know there might be 1-2 games which either of those CPUs can't handle flawlessly, right?

What GTA V. Cause in games the 5820K will abselotuely destroy an FX6300 by a million%.