best amd fm2+ chip?

[Rokin]

what is the best fm2+ cpu chip for the money right now , going to be running it with a r9 285, thanks for the help

[Aniallation]

what is the best fm2+ cpu chip for the money right now , going to be running it with a r9 285, thanks for the help

Athlon X4 860K.

[Faceman]

what is the best fm2+ cpu chip for the money right now , going to be running it with a r9 285, thanks for the help

If you haven't already bought a motherboard, go for an i3 + H81/B85 mobo.  Much better performance, and you get a clear upgrade path.

[sgloux3470]

Since you're pairing it with a GPU the only one that makes sense is the 860K.

 

It's identical to the A10-7850K in terms of CPU power and both overclock very well, but it's quite a bit cheaper since it doesn't have the GPU compute cores. 

[IGetMoreAssThanAToiletSeat]

If you haven't already bought a motherboard, go for an i3 + H81/B85 mobo.  Much better performance, and you get a clear upgrade path.

what about dem games that dont play on dual cores even with HT? (far cry 4)

Thats what stopped me from going with an i3/ pentium in my build

 

 

 

and technically the 7850k would be the strongest but the 860k is basically the same thing without the integrated gpu. 

 

So 860k is the strongest on that platform, (and it is actually pretty good, I have it paired with an r9 280 and it doesnt bottleneck in most games)

[Faceman]

what about dem games that dont play on dual cores even with HT? (far cry 4)

Thats what stopped me from going with an i3/ pentium in my build

 

 

 

and technically the 7850k would be the strongest but the 860k is basically the same thing without the integrated gpu. 

 

So 860k is the strongest on that platform, (and it is actually pretty good, I have it paired with an r9 280 and it doesnt bottleneck in most games)

Far Cry 4 plays just fine on an i3. No *hacks* needed.

 

Its the Pentium that doesn't launch FC4.

[sgloux3470]

what about dem games that dont play on dual cores even with HT? (far cry 4)

Thats what stopped me from going with an i3/ pentium in my build

 

 

 

and technically the 7850k would be the strongest but the 860k is basically the same thing without the integrated gpu. 

 

So 860k is the strongest on that platform, (and it is actually pretty good, I have it paired with an r9 280 and it doesnt bottleneck in most games)

 

 

An i3 can still play those games because it has 4 threads.  Only the pentium is incompatible.

 

I wouldn't pair an i3 with a low end board and then talk about upgrade paths though... you're not going to throw a 4790K in an H81/B85 board down the road.  But it is decent price/performance.

[FruitBasketSilex]

An i3 can still play those games because it has 4 threads. Only the pentium is incompatible.

I wouldn't pair an i3 with a low end board and then talk about upgrade paths though... you're not going to throw a 4790K in an H81/B85 board down the road. But it is decent price/performance.

You COULD throw a 4790 in there though, and you'd be having a good time. Its not all overclock all the time.

[Faceman]

sgloux, again with being clueless, adding to the reasons for ignore.

 

You can throw any LGA1150 CPU into an H81/B85 mobo, as long as the BIOS is updated and it will run just fine.  Sure, you won't be able to overclock it, but if you buy something as high end as an i7-4790k, which will work in an H81 mobo(BIOS update), you don't even have to OC it.  Voltage regulation is done on the chip, not on the mobo from Haswell on.  Not to mention, you don't need something as high end as an i7 to blast anything AMD has to offer out of the water. i5s, Xeons, locked i7s, etc..  The upgrade path is real, and should be taken into consideration.

[sgloux3470]

You COULD throw a 4790 in there though, and you'd be having a good time. Its not all overclock all the time.

 

 

sgloux, again with being clueless, adding to the reasons for ignore.

 

You can throw any LGA1150 CPU into an H81/B85 mobo, as long as the BIOS is updated and it will run just fine.  Sure, you won't be able to overclock it, but if you buy something as high end as an i7-4790k, which will work in an H81 mobo(BIOS update), you don't even have to OC it.  Voltage regulation is done on the chip, not on the mobo from Haswell on.  Not to mention, you don't need something as high end as an i7 to blast anything AMD has to offer out of the water. i5s, Xeons, locked i7s, etc..  The upgrade path is real, and should be taken into consideration.

 

 

And when do people upgrade?  Several years after building a system atleast.  For a CPU, you're looking at 3-5 years.

 

Is a stock i5 or i7 built today going to be worth putting into a system 3-5 years down the road?  How many people do you know still rocking Sandy Bridge processors that aren't k series?

 

The whole concept of a CPU upgrade path only makes sense when your motherboard is worth keeping around and you can squeeze as much life out of the system as possible.  Otherwise it's cheaper to simply buy the newer i3/cheap ass mobo combo for $200 than it is to spend atleast the same amount of money on an older i5/i7 model that won't perform as good.

 

 

Pardon my sin for using CPU boss:

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-2500-vs-Intel-Core-i3-4130

 

 

Stock i3-4130 beats a 4 year old stock i5 in single threaded. (MUH IPC)

 

For me to go buy that i5-2500 on ebay, I'm looking at $175-200 ish CAD.  That i3-4130 will cost me $140 CAD.  Throw in the $50 shit tier mobo, and it's pretty much the same amount of money.

 

The only time a CPU upgrade path makes sense is with overclocking.  Unless you expect people to be replacing their CPU within 6 months - 2 years, in which case just recommend they buy a slightly more expensive CPU like an i5 that will last them much longer instead of buying two fucking CPU's.

[FruitBasketSilex]

And when do people upgrade? Several years after building a system atleast. For a CPU, you're looking at 3-5 years.

Is a stock i5 or i7 built today going to be worth putting into a system 3-5 years down the road? How many people do you know still rocking Sandy Bridge processors that aren't k series?

The whole concept of a CPU upgrade path only makes sense when your motherboard is worth keeping around and you can squeeze as much life out of the system as possible. Otherwise it's cheaper to simply buy the newer i3/cheap ass mobo combo for $200 than it is to spend atleast the same amount of money on an older i5/i7 model that won't perform as good.

Pardon my sin for using CPU boss:

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-2500-vs-Intel-Core-i3-4130

Stock i3-4130 beats a 4 year old stock i5 in single threaded. (MUH IPC)

For me to go buy that i5-2500 on ebay, I'm looking at $175-200 ish CAD. That i3-4130 will cost me $140 CAD. Throw in the $50 shit tier mobo, and it's pretty much the same amount of money.

The only time a CPU upgrade path makes sense is with overclocking. Unless you expect people to be replacing their CPU within 6 months - 2 years, in which case just recommend they buy a slightly more expensive CPU like an i5 that will last them much longer instead of buying two fucking CPU's.

You're forgetting the fact that the 2-3 series CPUs are still running pretty strongly, there's plenty of people on here with nonK CPUs from the sandy-ivy days.

Plenty of people use placeholder CPUs, like buy a g3258 right now and then in a few months or so, with some saved up money popping in a 46/4790(k) to start kicking some ass.

[sgloux3470]

You're forgetting the fact that the 2-3 series CPUs are still running pretty strongly, there's plenty of people on here with nonK CPUs from the sandy-ivy days.

Plenty of people use placeholder CPUs, like buy a g3258 right now and then in a few months or so, with some saved up money popping in a 46/4790(k) to start kicking some ass.

 

Where?  I've  seen a few 2500K/2600K, a fair amount of 3570K/3770K.  Nothing else.

 

Buying a placeholder CPU is stupid.  You don't buy a placeholder power supply or placeholder motherboard or placeholder harddrive.  You wouldn't buy a 750Ti while you saved up for a TitanX, you'd buy a 960 or a 970 or whatever else fit into your actual budget.

[FruitBasketSilex]

Where? I've seen a few 2500K/2600K, a fair amount of 3570K/3770K. Nothing else.

Buying a placeholder CPU is stupid. You don't buy a placeholder power supply or placeholder motherboard or placeholder harddrive. You wouldn't buy a 750Ti while you saved up for a TitanX, you'd buy a 960 or a 970 or whatever else fit into your actual budget.

I'm not the outgoing type, and I'm usually on my phone, so I Dont and can't take down peoples info.

And CPUs are far different than other PC parts.

[FLUFFYJELLO]

You wouldn't buy a 750Ti while you saved up for a TitanX, you'd buy a 960 or a 970 or whatever else fit into your actual budget.

Just to let you know, my mini itx LAN party system is running a 750ti + Pentium anniversary for this exact reason. Granted I have I solid Z97 motherboard for it to upgrade on, but the idea is that, at the time, *that's what fit into the budget*. And that system will be upgraded when funds are available, and it'll be a hell of a lot sooner than 3-5 years from now.

[FruitBasketSilex]

Just to let you know, my mini itx LAN party system is running a 750ti + Pentium anniversary for this exact reason. Granted I have I solid Z97 motherboard for it to upgrade on, but the idea is that, at the time, *that's what fit into the budget*. And that system will be upgraded when funds are available, and it'll be a hell of a lot sooner than 3-5 years from now.

Love it when someone is being ignorant and someone comes in and #rekt him.

@sgloux3470

You see my point yet?

I'm not trying to be a dick, and Dont take this personally, but you're thinking single mindedly.

You need to think about other peoples situations, they're not all the same as yours.

[Faceman]

Oh sgloux.

 

We're talking about upgradability and longevity.  You cannot place an arbitrary number on how soon or long someone will upgrade.  Its the fact that they now have the option rather than being stuck on FM2 or AM3 where there is nothing to upgrade to.  Also, overclocking is not necessary with Intel.  There are stock i5-2500s that are still whooping FX9s in modern, multithreaded games.  If you buy an i3 now, and plop in an i5, i7, or Xeon at a later date, you are going to extend the useful life of your system, without having to spend a lot of money on an entirely new platform like you would if you went FM2 or AM3.

 

The motherboard is compatible, and it works.  Overclocking is not a must on Intel like it is with AMD.  These processors are strong.  a 4 core, 3.2Ghz Intel LGA1150 processor is going to last a good amount of time, and if you even wanted to buy an i7-4790(k), that is an incredibly powerful processor that will last even longer, without needing to overclock or change out motherboard.

 

People buy placeholder components all the time.  I built my computer around placeholder components.  I had a $1000 initial budget, I bought a placeholder case, PSU, CPU cooler, speakers, mouse, and keyboard.  I focused the bulk of my money on the two core components, CPU and GPU, the rest were all placeholders until I could upgrade, and it worked out well, and I upgraded everything in less than a year.  Not that I had to, but because I wanted to.  I did even buy a placeholder motherboard, Z87-A, I later bought a Z97-AR because it fit my build aesthetic better.  Its not necessary at all, but it worked.

 

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Even this supposedly very good multi-threaded game, Call of Duty:Advanced Warefare runs better on an i3 than an FX9

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Really pitiful when modern games are playing so much better on an i3 than an FX9.

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You have to OC an FX8 to 5Ghz just to match an i5-4440 at stock in BF4 multiplayer with an R9 290X.

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Even Mantle doesn't bridge the gap.  Too bad they don't show the minimums in this above graph.

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Very modern, multi-threaded game that does take advantage of all cores available, yet you have to OC an FX to 5Ghz to MATCH an i3.

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Look at how good stock i5-2500s are doing. That's some *old* hardware that is still kicking butt.  Overclocking is not a must, heck, some people don't like to overclock.  In a year, two, or however long, you will still have the option to upgrade to a much stronger processor, without switching out motherboard, and it will bring a lot better performance than anything else that is out there today.

[vembutech]

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2157708/absolute-processor-fm2-socket.html

[FruitBasketSilex]

What about the best Intel FM2+ CPU?

@title

[Sauron]

Where?  I've  seen a few 2500K/2600K, a fair amount of 3570K/3770K.  Nothing else.

 

 

I have a 2600 non-k for one. Sandy "locked" cpus are actually only partially locked by the way, they all go 400mhz over boost speed on all cores without touching bclk. For me that translates to 4.2ghz, for a 2500 it would be 4.1ghz.

[sgloux3470]

Just to let you know, my mini itx LAN party system is running a 750ti + Pentium anniversary for this exact reason. Granted I have I solid Z97 motherboard for it to upgrade on, but the idea is that, at the time, *that's what fit into the budget*. And that system will be upgraded when funds are available, and it'll be a hell of a lot sooner than 3-5 years from now.

 

Is that your one and only gaming PC?  Your first budget build?  It's a LAN party system, not your daily driver.  Of course it makes sense to have a smaller budget there with plans for upgrading.  It's an entirely different scenario.

 

Love it when someone is being ignorant and someone comes in and #rekt him.

@sgloux3470

You see my point yet?

I'm not trying to be a dick, and Dont take this personally, but you're thinking single mindedly.

You need to think about other peoples situations, they're not all the same as yours.

 

I get that not everyone has the money to build a dream system.  But I think it's better to build the best system you can build within your budget than it is to intentionally buy cheap components with the intention of replacing them.  

 

 

 

People buy placeholder components all the time.  I built my computer around placeholder components.  I had a $1000 initial budget, I bought a placeholder case, PSU, CPU cooler, speakers, mouse, and keyboard.  I focused the bulk of my money on the two core components, CPU and GPU, the rest were all placeholders until I could upgrade, and it worked out well, and I upgraded everything in less than a year.  Not that I had to, but because I wanted to.  I did even buy a placeholder motherboard, Z87-A, I later bought a Z97-AR because it fit my build aesthetic better.  Its not necessary at all, but it worked.

 

And I think it's a stupid idea to just throw all the money into CPU/GPU too.  Fancy that we seem to disagree on a lot of things.

 

Yes, they're the most relevant for performance.  But you need a good foundation.  Why not just buy mid range and get a mildly weaker CPU/GPU, but a much more balanced system?  That's what it exists for.  Just like how not everyone wants to overclock, not everyone wants to constantly be upgrading their PC.  Most people just want to build it and then enjoy it, until they want more performance.  By the time most people are going to reach the point where their CPU isn't good enough anymore, their upgrade options (without overclocking) are not going to be much better.  Because as you said, pretty much any CPU made in the last 10 years is still decent.  My old Q6600 only recently got retired, but I bet it still works performs perfectly fine for gaming.  By the time it isn't good enough anymore, I doubt a Q9550 would really be worth slapping in there.  

[FLUFFYJELLO]

Is that your one and only gaming PC? Your first budget build? It's a LAN party system, not your daily driver. Of course it makes sense to have a smaller budget there with plans for upgrading. It's an entirely different scenario.

It's not entirely different (and if you look at my sig you'd know it's not my only system). My laptop can't do gaming anymore, and rather than spend $1500 on a gaming laptop, I built an itx rig in a small case to carry around with me. Wireless mouse and a mini keyboard and just HDMI to whatever monitor/TV is nearby. Total cost was around $580. Eventually I'll get a stronger processor (even though my G3258 is like top 1% silicone lottery winner), because I like FC4. And the 750ti is nice, and low power, and quiet. But struggles with heavily modded L4D2 (the Stay Puft marshmallow boomer eats VRAM I swear ) and let's not talk about the insane frame dips in Warframe.

I built this system for the sole purpose of upgrading so I could have a mobile rig that can actually play intense titles without costing 2.5-3 times as much.