3570k or 8350?

[Maverik5124]

Well you've probably seen a lot of these threads. Convince me to buy either one.

My budget is pretty small. For the 8350 I would be able to get the Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5 and 8gb of ram.

So if I get the 3570k then I would have around 100 dollars left for a motherboard. Any suggestions? I like the asus boards but I'm open to suggenstions. I would like to be able to overclock in the future. Are there even any good overclocking boards for 100 dollars?

Other requirements:

ATX

SLI/CF compatible

I know that my budget is pretty small for an intel board. So right now I'm itching to see the 8350 benchmarks that linus announced on twitter.

Also, if you know a better board for the 8350 I would also like suggestions for one as well. Thanks

Maverik5124

[TechFan@ic]

Get the FX 8320 and spend the money saved on a better cooler and overclock it.

The FX 8320 overclocks just as well as the 8350.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/fx-8350-8320-6300-4300_9.html

[TechFan@ic]

Also as for the motherboard , just get the 990fx UD3, it has an identical power design to the UD5, so you will be able to achieve just as high of an overclock on it but manage to save a couple of bucks .

[Maverik5124]

Also as for the motherboard ' date=' just get the 990fx UD3, it has an identical power design to the UD5, so you will be able to achieve just as high of an overclock on it but manage to save a couple of bucks .[/quote']

I have just read about the gigabyte boards limiting the power they supply to the CPU to avoid burning out the VRM... Do you know anything about this?

Also, the gigabyte boards need a bios update before they accept any Bulldozer CPUs. I don't have a spare CPU laying around though so I'm kind of leaning towards the asus boards because I would be able to update the bios just with a USB stick. Any way to update the gigabyte bios without a CPU?

[TechFan@ic]

Also as for the motherboard ' date=' just get the 990fx UD3, it has an identical power design to the UD5, so you will be able to achieve just as high of an overclock on it but manage to save a couple of bucks .[/quote']

I have just read about the gigabyte boards limiting the power they supply to the CPU to avoid burning out the VRM... Do you know anything about this?

Also, the gigabyte boards need a bios update before they accept any Bulldozer CPUs. I don't have a spare CPU laying around though so I'm kind of leaning towards the asus boards because I would be able to update the bios just with a USB stick. Any way to update the gigabyte bios without a CPU?

I think you mean a BIOS update before installing a "Piledriver" CPU.

That was only at launch as far as I know , gigabyte already updated the bios.

Also you can flash the BIOS without even having the CPU installed on some boards .

On others, you will need to drop the CPU in & go to the BIOS , look for the bios update or flash section, it will ask for the location/directory of the bios file from your HDD , flash stick or whatever .

And you can update from there .

As far as limmiting power delivery , I'm not quite sure I've heard about that.

I did however see some amazing overclocks on gigabyte 990fx ud3 boards , so I don't think that it's something to worry about .

[Bob]

The ASUS board is better IMHO.

[Maverik5124]

Also as for the motherboard ' date=' just get the 990fx UD3, it has an identical power design to the UD5, so you will be able to achieve just as high of an overclock on it but manage to save a couple of bucks .[/quote']

I have just read about the gigabyte boards limiting the power they supply to the CPU to avoid burning out the VRM... Do you know anything about this?

Also, the gigabyte boards need a bios update before they accept any Bulldozer CPUs. I don't have a spare CPU laying around though so I'm kind of leaning towards the asus boards because I would be able to update the bios just with a USB stick. Any way to update the gigabyte bios without a CPU?

I think you mean a BIOS update before installing a "Piledriver" CPU. That was only at launch as far as I know ' date=' gigabyte already updated the bios. Also you can flash the BIOS without even having the CPU installed on some boards . On others, you will need to drop the CPU in & go to the BIOS , look for the bios update or flash section, it will ask for the location/directory of the bios file from your HDD , flash stick or whatever . And you can update from there . As far as limmiting power delivery , I'm not quite sure I've heard about that. I did however see some amazing overclocks on gigabyte 990fx ud3 boards , so I don't think that it's something to worry about .[/quote']

yes I meant Piledriver sorry. That limitation was in one of the latest bios updates so that overclock may have been achived earlier.

On the gigabyte website itself they state that to use a Piledriver CPU you need to flash the newest bios. As I already said I don't have a cpu to do so though... Have you heard anything about the asus boards? I would be able to flash the bios without a cpu on those

[TechFan@ic]

Also as for the motherboard ' date=' just get the 990fx UD3, it has an identical power design to the UD5, so you will be able to achieve just as high of an overclock on it but manage to save a couple of bucks .[/quote']

I have just read about the gigabyte boards limiting the power they supply to the CPU to avoid burning out the VRM... Do you know anything about this?

Also, the gigabyte boards need a bios update before they accept any Bulldozer CPUs. I don't have a spare CPU laying around though so I'm kind of leaning towards the asus boards because I would be able to update the bios just with a USB stick. Any way to update the gigabyte bios without a CPU?

I've been just reading about it, the only board that allows it is the Crosshair V formula-Z not the regular Crosshair V Formula .

[Maverik5124]

The ASUS board is better IMHO.

Why? Don't go all fanboy. Give reasons

[TechFan@ic]

Ok man, I've just found the CPU support list for the Gigabyte 990fx UD3 for you, all vishera processors are supported on the 1.1rev .

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3996#

http://www.gigabyte.com/support-downloads/cpu-support-popup.aspx?pid=3996

[TechFan@ic]

The ASUS board is better IMHO.

Why? Don't go all fanboy. Give reasons

I think the Asus board is good as well, It doesn't allow core per module control though , that's why I don't recommend it, unless you are getting the FX 6300 or lower .

[TechFan@ic]

UPDATE : the Asus 990fx PRO R2.0 supports BIOS Flashback , which allows you to flash the bios without having the CPU or RAM installed .

So you can go with this board if you want to be rest assured that your CPU will definitely work .

http://www.asus.com/Motherboard/M5A99FX_PRO_R20/#overview

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[Maverik5124]

I really want to go out and buy it now... But I want to wait for the benchmark of the 8350 from linus. Maybe he can confirm what Logan found out.

[ZeroPlasm]

The AMD 8320 and 8350 is a better choice, since TekSyndicate already confirmed it. Rumours say that upcoming consoles will use AMD's 8 Core CPU, which also means that future games should be more heavily threaded making the FX 8350 a more viable option.

[TechFan@ic]

I really want to go out and buy it now... But I want to wait for the benchmark of the 8350 from linus. Maybe he can confirm what Logan found out.

Like I said mate, get the FX 8320 instead , you can get equally good overclocks on equal voltage settings, the binning process is identical for those chips .

Those extra 40-30 dollars can really come in handy, you can get a better cooler for your CPU or even better RAM to improve overclocking (higher clocked ram allows you to push the clocks further on AMD FX Chips)

[TechFan@ic]

The AMD 8320 and 8350 is a better choice, since TekSyndicate already confirmed it. Rumours say that upcoming consoles will use AMD's 8 Core CPU, which also means that future games should be more heavily threaded making the FX 8350 a more viable option.

You pretty much summed it up ZeroPlasm .

[Maverik5124]

I really want to go out and buy it now... But I want to wait for the benchmark of the 8350 from linus. Maybe he can confirm what Logan found out.

Like I said mate' date=' get the FX 8320 instead , you can get equally good overclocks on equal voltage settings, the binning process is identical for those chips . Those extra 40-30 dollars can really come in handy, you can get a better cooler for your CPU or even better RAM to improve overclocking (higher clocked ram allows you to push the clocks further on AMD FX Chips)[/quote']

Ok good point. Are you sure about higher clocked ram allowing me to overclock higher? Seems weird

[dgtL]

3570K! just save a little longer for a maximus v board.

[dgtL]

The AMD 8320 and 8350 is a better choice, since TekSyndicate already confirmed it. Rumours say that upcoming consoles will use AMD's 8 Core CPU, which also means that future games should be more heavily threaded making the FX 8350 a more viable option.

On the last Linus Live they talked about Logan say such things but still said the 1155 chips would still perform better in a lot of scenarios including gaming. The AMD chips only show a slight improvement in a few multi-core settings.

[BeyondNight]

3570k, no matter if the Game/program isnt coded to use 8 threads the i5 will always be able to run it well, plus when OC'd it Beats the 8350

[Smite]

I can now say I have used both of these platforms and from what I have seen myself in similar systems the 3570 is better unless you run heavily threaded applications. Most games are getting better at using them but in all reality 4 cores will do it. And like most have already said the platforms are much better with the Intel side of things. If you could scrounge up the extra 30 bucks you could try the AsRock z77 Extreme 4 board. Hope this helps

[christoi]

I'd recommend i5 3570k if you primarily use single-threaded apps, an FX8320 is you use more multithreaded applications. If you are gaming, then an FX6300 would probably be more than enough.

As for a motherboard, with overclocking a 8+4 phase design would be ideal, but a 4+1+1 would also suffice provided you don't add too much voltage. TDP support should be 140w and vrm heatsinks would be ideal. For specifics about individual boards, here's a useful page:

http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboards-vrm-info-database

[BeyondNight]

I'd recommend i5 3570k if you primarily use single-threaded apps, an FX8320 is you use more multithreaded applications. If you are gaming, then an FX6300 would probably be more than enough.

As for a motherboard, with overclocking a 8+4 phase design would be ideal, but a 4+1+1 would also suffice provided you don't add too much voltage. TDP support should be 140w and vrm heatsinks would be ideal. For specifics about individual boards, here's a useful page:

http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboards-vrm-info-database

Phases dont matter as much as the Quality of VRM's do

[TechFan@ic]

I'd recommend i5 3570k if you primarily use single-threaded apps, an FX8320 is you use more multithreaded applications. If you are gaming, then an FX6300 would probably be more than enough.

As for a motherboard, with overclocking a 8+4 phase design would be ideal, but a 4+1+1 would also suffice provided you don't add too much voltage. TDP support should be 140w and vrm heatsinks would be ideal. For specifics about individual boards, here's a useful page:

http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboards-vrm-info-database

Good point, a board can have great power delivery but the VRM's could overheat and spoil a good overclock .

[TechFan@ic]

3570K! just save a little longer for a maximus v board.

That's save a "lot" longer not a little longer lol .