i5 4690k

[Giannhs]

I am planning getting a new rig at first with an gtx 960 for 1080p till i can save money for 4k.
Will an i5 4690k be enough for 2 cards ? or will they bottleneck ? Should i get a 4790k from the start? 

[Wtalk2]

The 4690K will not bottleneck any combination of modern GPU's. If you need extra CPU performance you can OC the 4690K also

[Timopomer]

I am planning getting a new rig at first with an gtx 960 for 1080p till i can save money for 4k.

Will an i5 4690k be enough for 2 cards ? or will they bottleneck ? Should i get a 4790k from the start? 

wait,

you want to get a 4690k and a 960

 

and then later on get another 960 for SLI?

 

in that case a 4690k is good enough,have fun

[Giannhs]

wait,

you want to get a 4690k and a 960

 

and then later on get another 960 for SLI?

 

in that case a 4690k is good enough,have fun

no i will probably get 2 new cards 300 series or 400 series or new nvidia and keep the 960 or sell it

[Profquast]

The 4790k won't be any faster since games don't utilize hyperthreading and apart from that it and the 4690k are the same chip.

[SteveGrabowski]

I'd grab an i7-4790k and a cheaper R9 280 for the GPU for now. Everyone loves i5s here, but it's not 2013 anymore and games now can make use of 8+ threads. This trend will continue because the two consoles AAA games are developed for are octacores with really weak single core performance, so good parallelization will be a must for new games. I like i5s for midrange builds, but for high end SLI it probably makes more sense to go i7. Ask @SeanBond, if I remember correctly I think he said his i5-4670k bottlenecked his single GTX 780 Ti and that his i7 is better for gaming. I have seen a few other posters here say similar.

[SteveGrabowski]

The 4790k won't be any faster since games don't utilize hyperthreading and apart from that it and the 4690k are the same chip.

That was true in 2013 but not 2015; a recent CPU benchmark article from GameGPU showed most new games can use 8+ threads.

http://gamegpu.ru/test-video-cards/igry-2014-goda-protiv-protsessorov-test-gpu.html

[Giannhs]

I'd grab an i7-4790k and a cheaper R9 280 for the GPU for now. Everyone loves i5s here, but it's not 2013 anymore and games now can make use of 8+ threads. This trend will continue because the two consoles AAA games are developed for are octacores with really weak single core performance, so good parallelization will be a must for new games. I like i5s for midrange builds, but for high end SLI it probably makes more sense to go i7. Ask @SeanBond, if I remember correctly I think he said his i5-4670k bottlenecked his single GTX 780 Ti and that his i7 is better for gaming. I have seen a few other posters here say similar.

well 280 is 30 euros cheaper here and i7 costs 100 more and i need better cooling or will a BE QUIET! SHADOW ROCK SLIM in 350D will be enough for medium oc

[SteveGrabowski]

well 280 is 30 euros cheaper here and i7 costs 100 more and i need better cooling or will a BE QUIET! SHADOW ROCK SLIM in 350D will be enough for medium oc

 

I don't know that cooler at all, sorry I can't help there. But an i7-4790k is also a better binned chip than an i5-4690k, since its stock base clock is 4.0GHz vs the 4690k's stock 3.5GHz base clock.

[SeanBond]

I'd grab an i7-4790k and a cheaper R9 280 for the GPU for now. Everyone loves i5s here, but it's not 2013 anymore and games now can make use of 8+ threads. This trend will continue because the two consoles AAA games are developed for are octacores with really weak single core performance, so good parallelization will be a must for new games. I like i5s for midrange builds, but for high end SLI it probably makes more sense to go i7. Ask @SeanBond, if I remember correctly I think he said his i5-4670k bottlenecked his single GTX 780 Ti and that his i7 is better for gaming. I have seen a few other posters here say similar.

That was only in battlefield 4 and crysis 3, as for other games the performance has been the same. 

[SteveGrabowski]

That was only in battlefield 4 and crysis 3, as for other games the performance has been the same. 

 

Oh ok, sorry to misrepresent what you said.

[Giannhs]

k I will stick with an i5 then

[typographie]

I am planning getting a new rig at first with an gtx 960 for 1080p till i can save money for 4k.

Will an i5 4690k be enough for 2 cards ? or will they bottleneck ? Should i get a 4790k from the start? 

 

The difference between an i5-4690K and an i7-4790K boil down to the number of logical cores, so the only place where they will differ in performance are the handful of games that continue to scale (albeit poorly) past 4 cores. In other words, if the i5 limited performance, the i7 usually would too.

[Giannhs]

The difference between an i5-4690K and an i7-4790K boil down to the number of logical cores, so the only place where they will differ in performance are the handful of games that continue to scale (albeit poorly) past 4 cores. In other words, if the i5 limited performance, the i7 usually would too.

so i will get the cards then if need upgrade cpu then i dont think i can afford both at the same time or get an i7 from the start cause i need better cooler 

[SeanBond]

Oh ok, sorry to misrepresent what you said.

It's alright, I am sure there could be a couple games out there with a difference as well but I couldn't tell you from my experience. 

[i_build_nanosuits]

It's alright, I am sure there could be a couple games out there with a difference as well but I couldn't tell you from my experience. 

i can tell them:

BF4

Crysis 3

Watchdogs

Dragon age inquisition

Assassin's creed unity

 

That's about it for now...other games greatly benefit from HT but the thing is you have to run at VERY high framerates to be able to see any improvements...games such as call of duty advanced warfare for example when i run at 720P i get like 115FPS without HT and 135FPS with HT...not worth mentioning...but i agree with @SteveGrabowski as we keep moving forward it looks like games does use many threads nowadays and when they get very CPU intensive there is a tangible benefit to hyper-threading in games.

[SeanBond]

i can tell them:

BF4

Crysis 3

Watchdogs

Dragon age inquisition

Assassin's creed unity

 

That's about it for now...other games greatly benefit from HT but the thing is you have to run at VERY high framerates to be able to see any improvements...games such as call of duty advanced warfare for example when i run at 720P i get like 115FPS without HT and 135FPS with HT...not worth mentioning...but i agree with @SteveGrabowski as we keep moving forward it looks like games does use many threads nowadays and when they get very CPU intensive there is a tangible benefit to hyper-threading in games.

Watch dogs didn't even make a slight difference from a 4670k to a 4790k. Yes it will use the 8 threads but the game is will still run well beyond 60fps even with an i5. No amount of cpu power stops the stutter however. As far as AC unity goes, yes the 4790k improves frame rate but that game is such a pathetic wreck I don't even consider it. It's not like it's worth even thinking about getting an i7 instead for that game. No comment about dragon age, I got bored after 10 seconds. Seemed to have ease on the cpu side.

[i_build_nanosuits]

Watch dogs didn't even make a slight difference from a 4670k to a 4790k. Yes it will use the 8 threads but the game is will still run well beyond 60fps even with an i5. No amount of cpu power stops the stutter however. As far as AC unity goes, yes the 4790k improves frame rate but that game is such a pathetic wreck I don't even consider it. It's not like it's worth even thinking about getting an i7 instead for that game. No comment about dragon age, I got bored after 10 seconds. Seemed to have ease on the cpu side.

i strongly disagree, watchdogs run's like poop with no hyper-threading and it's butter smooth on my system right now.

..and ACU is the best game i've played in 2014.

[SeanBond]

i strongly disagree, watchdogs run's like poop with no hyper-threading and it's butter smooth on my system right now.

Well like I said, I had no issues with frame rate on my 4670k, the frame rate could go into the 100's easily if I turned of vsync. But the game still had terrible stutter, and even just recently when I got my i7 I tested watch dogs and it ran about the same, a bit more cpu power just ended up in have more power left over. Not a tangable increase in performance. It still stutters terribly. Maybe a recent update helped more? I know they did one update a long time ago that helped greatly with stutter. After that update it was isolated to driving. 

[SeanBond]

 

..and ACU is the best game i've played in 2014.

Who.....what the hell are you?

[SteveGrabowski]

Watch dogs didn't even make a slight difference from a 4670k to a 4790k. Yes it will use the 8 threads but the game is will still run well beyond 60fps even with an i5. No amount of cpu power stops the stutter however. As far as AC unity goes, yes the 4790k improves frame rate but that game is such a pathetic wreck I don't even consider it. It's not like it's worth even thinking about getting an i7 instead for that game. No comment about dragon age, I got bored after 10 seconds. Seemed to have ease on the cpu side.

 

It's too bad they won't rewrite Unity in DirectX12 to alleviate the drawcall bottleneck.

[i_build_nanosuits]

Who.....what the hell are you?

 

It's too bad they won't rewrite Unity in DirectX12 to alleviate the drawcall bottleneck.

 

Please guys listen to my video about ACU if you have performance issues with the game:

 

 

...and about the game itself it has to be the best assassin's creed game in the series IMHO and indeed one of games i enjoyed the most...the graphics are stuningly beautiful, the game is vast and detailed and the gameplay is perfect.

(graphics in my video are not good looking this part of the game does not look good and was recored with medium quality only...but many other area of the game really shine.)

[Profquast]

That was true in 2013 but not 2015; a recent CPU benchmark article from GameGPU showed most new games can use 8+ threads.

http://gamegpu.ru/test-video-cards/igry-2014-goda-protiv-protsessorov-test-gpu.html

 

I heard somewhere that the amount of threads games use is not the problem but most game code just isn't appropriate to be hyperthreaded, because it needs a part of the CPU that isn't doubled.

[SeanBond]

Please guys listen to my video about ACU if you have performance issues with the game:

 

 

...and about the game itself it has to be the best ACU in the series IMHO and indeed one of games i enjoyed the most...the graphics are stuningly beautiful, the game is vast and detailed and the gameplay is perfect.

It's pretty much universally known that the graphics are that of game from 2012, the game is about a broken or at least was as broken as...I don't know aliens colonial marines. It's the worst game in the series and the texture and character pop in is so hilariously bad that it's completely immersion breaking. The gameplay is also the must buggy and slow of the series designed to make you want to use microtransations. I say that because you enter the wrong area at a low level and blam, you get one hit killed by some random street thug that has the same character model as the 200 you just killed down the street. Oh but he has a higher level over his head! But you do have one thing right, the game is big. But not even the biggest in the series. 

[SeanBond]

Please guys listen to my video about ACU if you have performance issues with the game:

 

 

...and about the game itself it has to be the best assassin's creed game in the series IMHO and indeed one of games i enjoyed the most...the graphics are stuningly beautiful, the game is vast and detailed and the gameplay is perfect.

(graphics in my video are not good looking this part of the game does not look good and was recored with medium quality only...but many other area of the game really shine.)

I watched the video and I see that the location was cherry picked, but I never said the frame rate was terrible in that game anyone. They for the most part fixed that. It's all the other problems that make it a pathetic game.