Why Can't We Have It All?

[jinroh10]

Hello all, i have a question and would like to know why can't we as gamer have a 4K, 144Hz, Gsync, 1ms and IPS monitor for gaming? Why can't this be, is it technology, knowledge or just impossible? Please help..

[Decon]

Everything but 1ms and 144hz is possible right now.  144hz and 1ms aren't possible because of display connector limitations, as well as hardware limitations

[Peter Vaughan Truslow]

Hello all, i have a question and would like to know why can't we as gamer have a 4K, 144Hz, Gsync, 1ms and IPS monitor for gaming? Why can't this be, is it technology, knowledge or just impossible? Please help..

144hz without low response times is pointless, and 1ms response with IPS is currently impossible because of how the pixel switches. Twisting a crystal with an electric current is inherently faster than how IPS works(which I haven't read up on enough)

[Sadistic_Potato]

Why can't we have cars that have 2500+ bhp, with the grip to fully harness it and the parts to handle the power? Why can't we colonise Mars? Why can't we have gaming laptops that have parts that perform exactly the same as a desktop? 

 

Technology has to advance. Like how a standard smartphone has more computing power than NASA had when they sent some men to the moon. Only we play angry birds. And surf the web with it. 

[the ginger gamer]

Well it certainly isnt impossible. 4k is still relativly new, so is gysnc, and dont forget 144hz 2560x1440 still isnt really a thing. Also even if we had this no one could run it. The day will come, but for now appreciate that we live in a time that we have things like this to look forward to. Also dont forget that at one point 360p 30hz was exciting. Everything starts some where, just be pacient. 

[Guest]

144Hz at 4k isn't possible via HDMI or DP right now, too much bandwidth. The technology behind IPS is simply slower than TN, for example. 1ms response time (whatever that is supposed to mean, no real standardized measurements in the industry and you haven't specified whether it's g2g or black to white) is therefore harder to achieve. Gsync is deprecated at this point, we'll have to wait fro freesync and Nvidias implementation of adaptive sync (hopefully). Also, do you want to pay 5000+$ for your monitor? Because that's what you should expect with the features you want.

[jinroh10]

Well check this out...its close but no cigar.

Asus RoG SWIFT PG27AQ 4K IPS G-SYNC Gaming Monito…:

[Glenwing]

120Hz 4K won't be possible until DisplayPort 1.3 is in use. I prefer 120Hz to 144Hz since 30/60Hz locked content will fit more evenly.

Ultimately OLED will solve these problems, it can easily do 240Hz with instant response time and infinite black levels. And you can even add 10-bit color and wide-gamut support to that list.

[TheSLSAMG]

Why can't we have cars that have 2500+ bhp, with the grip to fully harness it and the parts to handle the power? Why can't we colonise Mars? Why can't we have gaming laptops that have parts that perform exactly the same as a desktop? 

 

Technology has to advance. Like how a standard smartphone has more computing power than NASA had when they sent some men to the moon. Only we play angry birds. And surf the web with it. 

The Mars Curiosity Rover is basically a Mac G3 with wheels.

[TheSLSAMG]

120Hz 4K won't be possible until DisplayPort 1.3 is in use. I prefer 120Hz to 144Hz since 30/60Hz locked content will fit more evenly.

Ultimately OLED will solve these problems, it can easily do 240Hz with instant response time and infinite black levels. And you can even add 10-bit color and wide-gamut support to that list.

Or SuperMHL, but do you think SuperMHL will become commonplace on computers? Maybe televisions, but I think it's really just an HDMI replacement.

[Guest]

120Hz 4K won't be possible until DisplayPort 1.3 is in use. I prefer 120Hz to 144Hz since 30/60Hz locked content will fit more evenly.

Ultimately OLED will solve these problems, it can easily do 240Hz with instant response time and infinite black levels. And you can even add 10-bit color and wide-gamut support to that list.

 

The problem with OLED is that the colours start to fade out after a few thousand hours of operation, that wouldn't be as much of a problem if blue (I think?) wouldn't fade out quicker than red, etc. For a monitor that will be turned on for 8+ hours a day that's not ideal. If they solve that, yeah OLED will be freaking amazing.

[Glenwing]

The problem with OLED is that the colours start to fade out after a few thousand hours of operation, that wouldn't be as much of a problem if blue (I think?) wouldn't fade out quicker than red, etc. For a monitor that will be turned on for 8+ hours a day that's not ideal. If they solve that, yeah OLED will be freaking amazing.

It's only really an issue with Samsung's OLEDs, because they actually use RGB OLEDs, as opposed to LG's implementation which is a bit smarter. LG uses RGBW color filters in front of all-white OLEDs so they all degrade at the same rate. The individual OLEDs will degrade by slightly different amounts as they're used, but it won't cause nearly as many problems as dealing with blue OLEDs which have wildly different (faster) degradation rates compared to red and green.

There are also tricks you can use to increase lifespan, since OLED has such a low response time and can be made transparent. It might actually be feasible to use stacked OLEDs with temporal dithering instead of an RGB matrix, which means you can have each subpixel be the same size as the entire pixel and stack them, and have each subpixel color shown in succession instead of side-by-side. You can have 4K+ high pixel density but still using OLEDS that would normally be used on displays with much larger pixels. This would improve longevity a lot, since larger OLEDs degrade more slowly, and sufficiently high resolution should compensate for the lack of subpixel rendering for text.

 

EDIT: Actually you wouldn't need temporal dithering with transparent OLEDS since light is additive! I forgot

[Guest]

It's only really an issue with Samsung's OLEDs, because they actually use RGB OLEDs, as opposed to LG's implementation which is a bit smarter. LG uses RGBW color filters in front of all-white OLEDs so they all degrade at the same rate. The individual OLEDs will degrade by slightly different amounts as they're used, but it won't cause nearly as many problems as dealing with blue OLEDs which have wildly different (faster) degradation rates compared to red and green.

There are also tricks you can use to increase lifespan, since OLED has such a low response time and can be made transparent. It might actually be feasible to use stacked OLEDs with temporal dithering instead of an RGB matrix, which means you can have each subpixel be the same size as the entire pixel and stack them, and have each subpixel color shown in succession instead of side-by-side. You can have 4K+ high pixel density but still using OLEDS that would normally be used on displays with much larger pixels. This would improve longevity a lot, since larger OLEDs degrade more slowly, and sufficiently high resolution should compensate for the lack of subpixel rendering for text.

 

I'm still not sold on OLED for a desktop monitor though. Let the early adopters find out all the problems and hopefully get a really nice monitor in 5 years or so. Can't wait for proper blacks and good response times after all those years, but it's not worth the potential hassle when the first models release IMO.