Tips for building my network

[HenryDays]

So guys , where im again to ask for some advices , this time im asking you to help me building my whole network , in attachment is my plant of what i want to conect , and as you can see , it is a lot of things , what you see in the image is the plant of my local store , its is composed by an house , an office , and the bigger building is the warehouse, it has more or less 1200 square meters, in that building i have the folowing server:http://pcpartpicker.com/p/T86G23 

 

The question where is , what is the best way to connect all of this systems , and get good speeds ? i forgot to mention that i want an fast connectivity with my personal computer , that way i could be able to backup data to the server fastly .

 

In addiction, the cameras have 1.3 mp of resolution and the server will record it though iSpy software 

 

now i have a cable going from the warehouse to the office (10/100/1000) and another from the office to the house 

 

Thanks for helping me , 

[KTFO|SGTmoody]

Hello

 

Im guessing your IP cameras use ethernet cable to push the data to the server?  In this  case I would get one 24 port gigabit switch and connect all the cameras up to that.  That would leave you with 2 ports spare to connect up to another switch.

I would then get a gigabit switch and put the two PC's the connection to the switch for your IP cameras and the server on that.

I would then have a gigabit switch in the house and the office. The office beying the main switch wich connects everything up.

 

One thing I would sugest though is maybe you might want to look in to getting a 48 port switch for the cameras if you plan on adding more. it doesnt have to be gigabit for the cameras as long as it had gigabit uplink ports.

 

Could do realy with more infomation:

do the cameras run off ethernet?

Are you willing to run more cables between the office and the warehouse

Whats your budget?

do you plan on adding any more cameras.

 

I can probably give a better answer with than info.

[HenryDays]

Hello  KTFO|SGTmoody , 

 

Ur right , the cameras will push  data to the server througt 10/100 enthernet , 

 

I was thinking about get an 48 port gigabyte switch and put it near to the server on the warehouse , that way i could connect all of the cameras and the working computers that are located on the warehouse , 

 

This switch will be connected to the one that is located at the office pulling internet from it , probably i will put an second cable in order to get best speeds , but i dont know if i have enought space on the pipe to run an extra cable inside , 

 

In the office ill put an 12 port gigabyte switch capable of handle the internet that comes from the Fiber modem , and deliver it to the switch that is located at home and the other 48 port switch that is located near to the server , 

 

but i dont if this will work because the switch is gigabyte and the cameras are 10 /100 , im a littttttle noob at this kind of area but if anyone know if it will work pls let me know ,  

[KTFO|SGTmoody]

Do you have any more NIC's in your server?  If not I would suggest atleast having two if you plan on having your cameras record to it as well.

Otherwise you will end up saturating that link between you and the server when backing up. You might even want to consider getting a dule nic card for your workstation as well depending if you backups will effect your usage all the time.

 

If your cameras are IP and this is your setup then if you want to look in to having links larger than 2Gbps between the switches to avoid saturation then you will need to look in to gettting managed switches

 

I have made a network diagram for you.  This is how I would do it anyway.  Hopefully this should help a little

 

[KTFO|SGTmoody]

Hello  KTFO|SGTmoody , 

 

Ur right , the cameras will push  data to the server througt 10/100 enthernet , 

 

I was thinking about get an 48 port gigabyte switch and put it near to the server on the warehouse , that way i could connect all of the cameras and the working computers that are located on the warehouse , 

 

This switch will be connected to the one that is located at the office pulling internet from it , probably i will put an second cable in order to get best speeds , but i dont know if i have enought space on the pipe to run an extra cable inside , 

 

In the office ill put an 12 port gigabyte switch capable of handle the internet that comes from the Fiber modem , and deliver it to the switch that is located at home and the other 48 port switch that is located near to the server , 

 

but i dont if this will work because the switch is gigabyte and the cameras are 10 /100 , im a littttttle noob at this kind of area but if anyone know if it will work pls let me know ,  

Normaly all gigabit switches support 10/100/1000  I havent actualy seen one that doesnt. So that means if you bought a gigabit switch for the camers it would work on 100mbps anyway.

I would suggest thinking about if you are going to add more devices in the future and if you will need any more ports.

 

Have a look at my diagram and let  me know what you think

[HenryDays]

The diagram looks great thank you a lot! Which devices do you recommend me to use ? I already brought an 48 port gigabyte switch from Tp-link, unfortunately is not managed, (a brought it from a sale , 55€ )

Does an quad nic works with my 48 port switch? Or only managed switch's support quad nic teaming?

What would be the switch's for home and for office? Managed or normal? Can you remmend me models ?

Thank you a lot for your advices and your time

The diagram looks great thank you a lot! Which devices do you recommend me to use ? I already brought an 48 port gigabyte switch from Tp-link, unfortunately is not managed, (a brought it from a sale , 55€ )

Does an quad nic works with my 48 port switch? Or only managed switch's support quad nic teaming?

What would be the switch's for home and for office? Managed or normal? Can you recommend me models ?

Thank you a lot for your advices and your time

[KTFO|SGTmoody]

The diagram looks great thank you a lot! Which devices do you recommend me to use ? I already brought an 48 port gigabyte switch from Tp-link, unfortunately is not managed, (a brought it from a sale , 55€ )

Does an quad nic works with my 48 port switch? Or only managed switch's support quad nic teaming?

What would be the switch's for home and for office? Managed or normal? Can you recommend me models ?

Thank you a lot for your advices and your time

Hi

You won't be able to do aggregation on unmanaged switches allthough if you give me the model number of the switch I can check

Smart or managed switches will support aggregation so you will need one in the in the warehouse and one in the office. You could have one in the house just in case you ever need it. Depends if you ever think that you might need run backups from there one day? Or if you need any more ports.

I normally recommended netgear but I will have a look around for some switches that will suit you in my lunch break. And link you some.

If your not bothered about them being new you can get some good deals on switches on eBay all though I don't think I'm allows to link them here I can allways send you a pm.

In terms of space in the tube from building to building have you ever considered fiber as it's generally quite small. Most of these managed or smart switches support SFP ports for fiber links. Depending on the length it's not allways that expensive to implement.

[HenryDays]

What would be the cost of running fiber through more or less 40m?

And the switch is defenetly unmanaged ( says in the box)

Instead of having the server on the warehouse do you think that if I put it on the office I would be better? the ip cameras does not need an huge bandwith, despite being a tons of those , they only have 1.3 Mp, how much bandwidth do you thing that each of them consumes?

[KTFO|SGTmoody]

Ahh 40m is a fairly long way. That option would definatly be expensive. Probably better to stick with copper for now then. It was just a thought

I couldn't say how much. Have you got a model number for them?

[HenryDays]

I don't know the models because I order it from an website that is called lightinthebox, there you have cheap IP cameras with good features , for example an 3.0 mp bullet IP camera for around 80€…

But i think that 1.3mp running at 720p will not generate more than 500kb/s of bandwidht

[KTFO|SGTmoody]

right.  really?  because that only totals to 11.2 Megabits per second   which is nothing.....  for all 22 cameras.

If that is correct. then you might not even need the link aggregation. it would all work fine on 1Gbps lines unless you where backing up while people where accessing the server at the same time.

 

In which case.  I would just recommended getting a Netgear GS724T   its a 24port smart switch with lots of features. You can get them second hand for around £50 or less now. new they are around £100.  some of the 16port managed switches where quite expensive.

 

So if you don't need the link aggregation then just connect everything up to that 48 port switch you have. stick the netgear swtich in the office and any switch in the house that has enough ports.

That way if you the network just isnt coping on 1Gbps then just can just get another GS724T and put that in the warehouse with the 48port connected to that. that way you get get your link aggregation if you need it.

 

hears a link to the GS724T on amazon : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Netgear-GS724T-Gigabit-Smart-Switch/dp/B0036YF92Q

These are good switches. I have seen them being used in data centers and I have 4 of these now and they are all still working fine running 24/7

 

One thing you might want to do is download this free network monitor,  enable SNMP on your sever that all the cameras are pointing to . and then set this up to look at the ip of the server to see how much trafic is going through it. This should give you a better representation of what your network usage is.

Hears the link :  http://www.solarwinds.com/products/freetools/real-time-bandwidth-monitor.aspx

[HenryDays]

Hi, sorry for the time that I took to answer ,

I found this website: http://kozik.com/calculator.html

In that website I found that an gigabite network will work just fine,

My question is : how long can I run an gigabute network? I saw on Wikipedia that only runs for 25 meters or so ...

[KTFO|SGTmoody]

Hi, sorry for the time that I took to answer ,

I found this website: http://kozik.com/calculator.html

In that website I found that an gigabite network will work just fine,

My question is : how long can I run an gigabute network? I saw on Wikipedia that only runs for 25 meters or so ...

For cat5e  You can run up to 100M between devices. So you will be ok.

[HenryDays]

But I need a switch that suport 1000t ? Right now I have an 5 port gigabit switch from sitecom , I tomorrow I'll send you the model to see if is it compatible

[KTFO|SGTmoody]

But I need a switch that suport 1000t ? Right now I have an 5 port gigabit switch from sitecom , I tomorrow I'll send you the model to see if is it compatible

A gigabit switch will be 1000t  as long as it has 1000 in it it is gigabit you dont need to wory about  the T bit. But T basicly stands for Twisted pair  (cat5e cat6 etc etc. where the cables inside are twisted.)

 

The 5 port switch will work fine.

[Yoinkerman]

Yeah it looks like a single gigabit link between each building will be fine. 

 

Since the bulk of the camera traffic won't go in between buildings.

[HenryDays]

Thanks a lot guys for the help ,

Sorry for some of my question , but im not an expert qs you can imagine,

I'll go gigabit BTW the buildings , I think that work just fine , later I'll post some images where, this project is a way to long and expensive too, at least for me , the ip cameras ill defenetly be expensive.

Once again thanks a lot for all the help .

Moody , thanks a lot man , if you need something just say it to ne