need assistance

[intellectualjoke]

MOVED FROM OTHER POST "i am new to the forum as well as for building. Linus's videos have helped me out tremendously. though i am at a road block atm. i got 2500$ or so to blow on a new gaming unit. i know i want to run a gtx780 ive got my tower and fans selected. i know the processors will be some what simple to figure out. my issues come into play with the mass amounts of motherboards to select from and the lack of knowledge when it comes to power supply and wattage. i am not looking for anyone to carry me but maybe a bit of help for the chromosome collectors as myself. either way, thanks Linus for the vids, and keep them coming."

also i not sure about the best places to shop...i used to bug around new egg but now i am using pricewatch. i got 2500$ to spend but ide like a monster for as cheap as possible. i use the unit for gaming and i usually run rts games. i just want to run things on max and not worry about shuttering/frames etc. 

 

so far ive picked out:

   -NZXT Phantom case (color i don't care about) 100$ 

   -Filling out the other three fans on the case with: (1x zxt kraken x40 140mm all-in-one liquid cpu cooler for intel 100$)   and   (2x nzxt airflow series 200mm blue led case fan 35$) 

 

i know i want:

   -to stick with the best version of windows 7 for the build.

   -i7 4790, though 4770 might work?

  - duel monitor setup (nothing fancy)

   -ssd drive (large) 

   -few tb drives

   

 

 

NZXT Airflow Series RF-FZ20S-U1 200mm Blue LED Case Fan  

 

 

[intellectualjoke]

location is seattle wa USA, everything needs to be replaced (all Peripherals) but the monitors and mouse etc i can handle... just need the guts of the thing figured out. i dont want to purchase a gtx780 or i7 4770 just to find out there is some issue with my mobo that doesnt allow me to use them to full. if that makes sense

[dragoon20005]

monitor wise you want 1080P or something higher res?

 

so the 2500 budget includes monitor cost

 

 

ok give me 1 or 2 mins

[intellectualjoke]

1080 is a good mid to high range. ide be more than happy with that i think. 

[dragoon20005]

see if this build fits your requirements

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($339.99 @ Newegg) 

CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X40 98.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (Purchased For $0.00) 

Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 7 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($174.99 @ Newegg) 

Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($144.99 @ Amazon) 

Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($146.87 @ Amazon) 

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($477.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($477.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Case: NZXT Phantom 530 (White) ATX Full Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 

Power Supply: Cooler Master V850 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($169.99 @ Amazon) 

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($187.97 @ OutletPC) 

Monitor: Asus VN248H-P 23.8" Monitor  ($187.58 @ Newegg) 

Monitor: Asus VN248H-P 23.8" Monitor  ($187.58 @ Newegg) 

Case Fan: NZXT FZ-200mm LED 103.0 CFM 200mm  Fan  (Purchased For $0.00) 

Case Fan: NZXT FZ-200mm LED 103.0 CFM 200mm  Fan  (Purchased For $0.00) 

Total: $2462.94

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

 

 

quote me if you need it to be cheaper and parts need changing.

 

 

not sure which model of casing you already have

[intellectualjoke]

wow, thank you for your time and energy, i really do appreciate it. 

i do not currently have a case of fans in my possession or purchased just what i know i want. i got a few question, keep in mind i know nothing so my questions are not to challenge you but to get a better understanding. 

1) what made you go with that mobo? is there something specific you like about it?

 

2) would i need (or could i) get more ram so that it is upto 32 DDR3-1600? or would that even be worth it?

 

3) the dual sli 780, will two of them make a huge difference in the video quality? ive read and seen videos by linus himself that warns against dual cards. again, i do not know... i just ask to know.

[intellectualjoke]

sorry about the english, it is 3:30 am here... i am a bit tired lol. well, its either the fact that i am tired or educated in the US. i believe either excuse will work

[intellectualjoke]

 

see if this build fits your requirements

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($339.99 @ Newegg) 

CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X40 98.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (Purchased For $0.00) 

Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 7 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($174.99 @ Newegg) 

Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($144.99 @ Amazon) 

Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($146.87 @ Amazon) 

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($477.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($477.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Case: NZXT Phantom 530 (White) ATX Full Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 

Power Supply: Cooler Master V850 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($169.99 @ Amazon) 

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($187.97 @ OutletPC) 

Monitor: Asus VN248H-P 23.8" Monitor  ($187.58 @ Newegg) 

Monitor: Asus VN248H-P 23.8" Monitor  ($187.58 @ Newegg) 

Case Fan: NZXT FZ-200mm LED 103.0 CFM 200mm  Fan  (Purchased For $0.00) 

Case Fan: NZXT FZ-200mm LED 103.0 CFM 200mm  Fan  (Purchased For $0.00) 

Total: $2462.94

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

 

 

quote me if you need it to be cheaper and parts need changing.

 

 

not sure which model of casing you already have

 

[dragoon20005]

wow, thank you for your time and energy, i really do appreciate it. 

i do not currently have a case of fans in my possession or purchased just what i know i want. i got a few question, keep in mind i know nothing so my questions are not to challenge you but to get a better understanding. 

1) what made you go with that mobo? is there something specific you like about it?

 

2) would i need (or could i) get more ram so that it is upto 32 DDR3-1600? or would that even be worth it?

 

3) the dual sli 780, will two of them make a huge difference in the video quality? ive read and seen videos by linus himself that warns against dual cards. again, i do not know... i just ask to know.

 

 

sorry about the english, it is 3:30 am here... i am a bit tired lol. well, its either the fact that i am tired or educated in the US. i believe either excuse will work

 

 

no worries bro

 

its good you ask the good questions

 

1) The mobo was based on experience with MSI, I been using them and they prove to be solid boards. My current Core 2 Duo system with the MSI board is still running after so many years

The Gaming 7 series has features which may be useful to you SLi/CrossFire support. Creative Onboard Audio and a host of BIOS features for easy OCing. And much cheaper than the Asus ROG line of mobos.

 

2) 8GB is generally what I will suggest, 16GB is more than enough for system like these

32GB is very expensive and not needed unless you do serious professional video editing work.

 

3) I selected dual GTX780 because of the power from SLi them, they will outperform the 780Ti and Titan Black in terms of raw fps performance and they will be ready for 1440P gaming but it depend on the games.

If the new games like WatchDogs don't support SLi. You can down grade to single GPU and still get good frame rate. If you think its a bit overkill for your 2 monitors. I can swap to single 780Ti.

 

 

oh didn't noticed you have yet to buy the casing and cooling

 

ok time to rework the build

[dragoon20005]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($339.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X40 98.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($94.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 7 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($174.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($144.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($146.87 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card  ($709.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Phantom 530 (White) ATX Full Tower Case  ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Cooler Master V850 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($187.97 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VN248H-P 23.8" Monitor  ($187.58 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VN248H-P 23.8" Monitor  ($187.58 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: NZXT FZ-200mm LED 103.0 CFM 200mm  Fan  ($17.99 @ Mwave)
Case Fan: NZXT FZ-200mm LED 103.0 CFM 200mm  Fan  ($17.99 @ Mwave)
Total: $2512.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

 

 

ok this build removed the dual GTX780 and upgrade to single 780Ti

 

revert back the prices of the casing, cooler and case fans just touch 2.5k

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but here is my edit of the build with a few tweaks

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($339.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X40 98.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($94.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 7 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($174.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($146.87 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card  ($709.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT H440 (Red/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($117.39 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Cooler Master V850 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($187.97 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus PB278Q 27.0" Monitor  ($489.99 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: NZXT FZ-200mm LED 103.0 CFM 200mm  Fan  ($17.99 @ Mwave)
Case Fan: NZXT FZ-200mm LED 103.0 CFM 200mm  Fan  ($17.99 @ Mwave)
Total: $2635.12
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

 

 

the red/black theme all out the system and swapped the casing to the H440 which has a clean look

 

780Ti and 1440P IPS monitor go hand in hand and the Asus PB278Q is one great IPS monitor

 

many LTT users swear by it because of the colors

 

I will wait your reply

[brob]

 

MOVED FROM OTHER POST "i am new to the forum as well as for building. Linus's videos have helped me out tremendously. though i am at a road block atm. i got 2500$ or so to blow on a new gaming unit. i know i want to run a gtx780 ive got my tower and fans selected. i know the processors will be some what simple to figure out. my issues come into play with the mass amounts of motherboards to select from and the lack of knowledge when it comes to power supply and wattage. i am not looking for anyone to carry me but maybe a bit of help for the chromosome collectors as myself. either way, thanks Linus for the vids, and keep them coming."

also i not sure about the best places to shop...i used to bug around new egg but now i am using pricewatch. i got 2500$ to spend but ide like a monster for as cheap as possible. i use the unit for gaming and i usually run rts games. i just want to run things on max and not worry about shuttering/frames etc. 

 

so far ive picked out:

   -NZXT Phantom case (color i don't care about) 100$ 

   -Filling out the other three fans on the case with: (1x zxt kraken x40 140mm all-in-one liquid cpu cooler for intel 100$)   and   (2x nzxt airflow series 200mm blue led case fan 35$) 

 

i know i want:

   -to stick with the best version of windows 7 for the build.

   -i7 4790, though 4770 might work?

  - duel monitor setup (nothing fancy)

   -ssd drive (large) 

   -few tb drives

   

 

 

 

NZXT Airflow Series RF-FZ20S-U1 200mm Blue LED Case Fan  

 

 

I have included two IPS monitors and Windows 7 Pro. Windows 7 Pro because it will allow you to upgrade the memory should you ever wish to do so. I would suggest though that you give serious thought to going with Windows 8.1.

 

The motherboard choice is based in part on color scheme. ASRock is making good quality enthusiast motherboards these days, so I have no hesitancy using their boards.

 

You had specified an X40 cpu cooler. I include instead the X41 which is a newer version. One nice feature of the X41 is the LED lighting on the pump face.

 

The psu is more than adequate for the build and will most likely be sufficient should you decide to upgrade to a newer gpu down the road. It is not large enough to add a second GTX 780. But I generally recommend going with a single powerful gpu over multiple cards.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($339.99 @ TigerDirect)

CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X41 106.1 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($109.99 @ Amazon)

Motherboard: ASRock Z97 EXTREME4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($143.99 @ Newegg)

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($144.00 @ Newegg)

Storage: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($214.99 @ Amazon)

Storage: Seagate  2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($89.99 @ Amazon)

Storage: Seagate  2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($89.99 @ Amazon)

Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 780 3GB WINDFORCE Video Card  ($498.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Case: NZXT Phantom (White) ATX Full Tower Case  ($99.99 @ Newegg)

Power Supply: SeaSonic 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.98 @ SuperBiiz)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($147.26 @ OutletPC)

Monitor: Asus PB238Q 23.0" Monitor  ($205.99 @ Best Buy)

Monitor: Asus PB238Q 23.0" Monitor  ($205.99 @ Best Buy)

Case Fan: NZXT FZ-200mm LED 103.0 CFM 200mm  Fan  ($17.99 @ Mwave)

Case Fan: NZXT FZ-200mm LED 103.0 CFM 200mm  Fan  ($17.99 @ Mwave)

Total: $2427.12

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

 

pcpartpicker.com does a very good job of finding optimal pricing. If you click on the PCPartPicker link you will be able to edit the list and see the prices of each part from various merchants.

[intellectualjoke]

 

 

I will wait your reply

 

sorry, i was researching the case on that last build. the size scares me a little. i am not experienced so i fear size of components fitting well. such as the water cooling for the cpu being pushed in so close to the mobo with that little room. dont get me wrong, i love the smaller cases... they just throw me a bit. i dont want to have to purchase multi components. this was the model i was looking at: (though in black)

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?gclid=CjkKEQjwia-dBRC07eeatYGe-78BEiQArZhbgK4LnYdHavDO5gQIitQqhLzp744rQVmJ-kxVBiYO5VLw_wcB&Item=N82E16811146067&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-Computer+Cases-_-N82E16811146067&ef_id=Uk@eXwAABdG9kSFl:20140626151235:s

 

i like the idea that it is pretty idiot proof (that will help later on if i want to expand and i cant find someone as nice and knowledgeable as you). 

 

I actually really like the single card. i was talking to a friend earlier about the lack of SLI compatible games. i hate the idea of paying more or top dollar just to turn around and have restrictions on what i could play. i am assuming between that card and mobo i can do some nice overclocking and later on down the line and/or throw in another gtx780ti correct? and will there be room in that case if i decide to sli it later?

 

i have a 24 inch asus monitor here so i might just stick with that. (getting cheap lol)

 

i also got a couple 1tb drives i can use. (more of me getting cheap)

would adding another 16 gb of ddr3 just dble that cost? if so i think i would want to go that way. what do you think? 

you are my hero btw.

[intellectualjoke]

I have included two IPS monitors and Windows 7 Pro. Windows 7 Pro because it will allow you to upgrade the memory should you ever wish to do so. I would suggest though that you give serious thought to going with Windows 8.1.

 

 

i hate the feel of the OS but i  fear you may be correct...i think i am just delaying the inevitable. though just inquiring why do you suggest 8.1?

[brob]

i hate the feel of the OS but i  fear you may be correct...i think i am just delaying the inevitable. though just inquiring why do you suggest 8.1?

 

• It will have a longer support life from Microsoft
• Under the hood it is better than 7
• New devices will have drivers for it, as time goes by 7 will not be as well supported
• New games (actually all software) will be written for 8 and in the not too distant future may have issues with 7
• 8.1 over 8 because it is the latest and saves several hours of upgrade downloads

[intellectualjoke]

 

• It will have a longer support life from Microsoft
• Under the hood it is better than 7
• New devices will have drivers for it, as time goes by 7 will not be as well supported
• New games (actually all software) will be written for 8 and in the not too distant future may have issues with 7
• 8.1 over 8 because it is the latest and saves several hours of upgrade downloads

 

 

i really like the color coordination... the video card in your build is alot cheaper and almost no difference. will there be a hit in performance between the gigabyte geforce gtx 780 and the MSI GTX 780Ti?

 

[brob]

 

i really like the color coordination... the video card in your build is alot cheaper and almost no difference. will there be a hit in performance between the gigabyte geforce gtx 780 and the MSI GTX 780Ti?

 

 

 

There is a difference in performance between the GTX 780 and GTX 780 Ti. http://www.nvidia.in/content/product-detail-pages/geforce-gtx-780-ti/gtx-780-ti-performance-chart.jpg and http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1036?vs=1072 will give you a rough estimation of that difference. You will have to decide if the roughly $150 difference is worth the added performance.

 

With respect to added performance, if the 780 will deliver 60 fps at desired settings in a game you play and the 780 Ti will deliver 75 fps, the gaming experience will be roughly the same. It is only when you start getting into low rates, (under 30 - 35 fps), where the gaming experience will suffer.

[intellectualjoke]

 

if i sprung for the titan would it be worth the extra 300? in your opinion

[intellectualjoke]

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($339.99 @ TigerDirect) 

CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X41 106.1 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 

Motherboard: ASRock Z97 EXTREME4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($128.99 @ Newegg) 

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($144.00 @ Newegg) 

Storage: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($214.99 @ Amazon) 

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card  ($709.99 @ Amazon) 

Case: NZXT Phantom (White) ATX Full Tower Case  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 

Power Supply: SeaSonic 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($90.98 @ Newegg) 

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro - 64-bit (OEM) (64-bit)  ($129.99 @ Best Buy) 

Case Fan: NZXT FZ-200mm LED 103.0 CFM 200mm  Fan  ($17.99 @ Mwave) 

Case Fan: NZXT FZ-200mm LED 103.0 CFM 200mm  Fan  ($17.99 @ Mwave) 

Total: $1984.89

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

[brob]

if i sprung for the titan would it be worth the extra 300? in your opinion

 

No 780 Ti would be better.

[intellectualjoke]

No 780 Ti would be better.

 

 

does the radiator have pre applied

thermal paste? will i need to purchase any thermal paste or anything like that? also i noticed that you put a 140mm water cooler.. the rear fan (i thought ideal to install the cooler) is a 120mm

[intellectualjoke]

n/m i messed up and put it at 140... 

[dragoon20005]

sorry, i was researching the case on that last build. the size scares me a little. i am not experienced so i fear size of components fitting well. such as the water cooling for the cpu being pushed in so close to the mobo with that little room. dont get me wrong, i love the smaller cases... they just throw me a bit. i dont want to have to purchase multi components. this was the model i was looking at: (though in black)

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?gclid=CjkKEQjwia-dBRC07eeatYGe-78BEiQArZhbgK4LnYdHavDO5gQIitQqhLzp744rQVmJ-kxVBiYO5VLw_wcB&Item=N82E16811146067&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-Computer+Cases-_-N82E16811146067&ef_id=Uk@eXwAABdG9kSFl:20140626151235:s

 

i like the idea that it is pretty idiot proof (that will help later on if i want to expand and i cant find someone as nice and knowledgeable as you). 

 

I actually really like the single card. i was talking to a friend earlier about the lack of SLI compatible games. i hate the idea of paying more or top dollar just to turn around and have restrictions on what i could play. i am assuming between that card and mobo i can do some nice overclocking and later on down the line and/or throw in another gtx780ti correct? and will there be room in that case if i decide to sli it later?

 

i have a 24 inch asus monitor here so i might just stick with that. (getting cheap lol)

 

i also got a couple 1tb drives i can use. (more of me getting cheap)

would adding another 16 gb of ddr3 just dble that cost? if so i think i would want to go that way. what do you think? 

you are my hero btw.

ah I understand

 

I got big hand too and I do hate that my hands keep hitting parts or my hand getting scratched/cut by the sharp point when working inside

 

generally single GPU is the easiest to handle in term of troubleshooting 

 

SLi/CrossFire is a real headache when it do not work and more costly,

 

but with stable games like Crysis and Metro, they work like a charm

 

it a trade off between going single or multi

 

 

ah that will be good idea, save you more money for better parts later

 

at this point of time not many applications need 32GB of RAM other than 3D Rendering Programs, I have worked with special effect industry before and the programs they use for special effects eats up to 24GB when just opening one frame. Yikes!!!

 

the cost of going for 32GB is really not worth when it does not add performance

 

the price of 32GB kits starts from 280 dollars all the way up to 400 dollars, that huge price difference could mean a lesser powerful GPU or a fancy mech keyboard and many more parts which you do need the most.

[brob]

does the radiator have pre applied

thermal paste? will i need to purchase any thermal paste or anything like that? also i noticed that you put a 140mm water cooler.. the rear fan (i thought ideal to install the cooler) is a 120mm

 

To mount the X41 on the rear exhaust of the Phantom use a fan adapter, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811995077. The alternative would be to use a 120 mm part instead. Like a Corsair H80i.

 

Frankly, with all the fans being installed you might want to consider using an air cooler like the Noctua NH-U12S.