"Dead" platform new build

[testcy]

Is it worth building a new system with components from a "dead" platform to save about half the cost? Preferably from LGA1700 rather AM4 to use DDR5 instead of DDR4? Not looking to overclock. Is I5-12600K affected by past Intel problems?

 

New components to buy:

ASROCK B760M-HDV/M.2

INTEL CORE I5-12600K

KINGSTON FURY BEAST 16GB (2X8GB) DDR5 6000MT/S CL30 DUAL KIT KF560C30BBEK2-16

 

Existing components to use:

CORSAIR CX600M

RAIJINTEK THEMIS I

[TatamiMatt]

7 minutes ago, testcy said:

Is it worth building a new system with components from a "dead" platform to save about half the cost? Preferably from LGA1700 rather AM4 to use DDR5 instead of DDR4? Not looking to overclock. Is I5-12600K affected by past Intel problems?

 

New components to buy:

ASROCK B760M-HDV/M.2

INTEL CORE I5-12600K

KINGSTON FURY BEAST 16GB (2X8GB) DDR5 6000MT/S CL30 DUAL KIT KF560C30BBEK2-16

 

Existing components to use:

CORSAIR CX600M

RAIJINTEK THEMIS I

Why not go for AM5 then to have DDR5 RAM and an upgrade to your existing system over LGA1700 which as you've said is dead, i know for you there will still be a lot of room for upgrading, but you have a limit already with LGA1700, whereas AM5 is still going

[Why_Me]

I would look at 2x16GB even if it's DDR4.

[PDifolco]

32 minutes ago, testcy said:

Is it worth building a new system with components from a "dead" platform to save about half the cost? Preferably from LGA1700 rather AM4 to use DDR5 instead of DDR4? Not looking to overclock. Is I5-12600K affected by past Intel problems?

 

New components to buy:

ASROCK B760M-HDV/M.2

INTEL CORE I5-12600K

KINGSTON FURY BEAST 16GB (2X8GB) DDR5 6000MT/S CL30 DUAL KIT KF560C30BBEK2-16

 

Existing components to use:

CORSAIR CX600M

RAIJINTEK THEMIS I

Upgrading from what ? For which usage ?

[y0ur5h4d0w]

1 hour ago, testcy said:

Is it worth building a new system with components from a "dead" platform to save about half the cost? Preferably from LGA1700 rather AM4 to use DDR5 instead of DDR4? Not looking to overclock. Is I5-12600K affected by past Intel problems?

 

New components to buy:

ASROCK B760M-HDV/M.2

INTEL CORE I5-12600K

KINGSTON FURY BEAST 16GB (2X8GB) DDR5 6000MT/S CL30 DUAL KIT KF560C30BBEK2-16

 

Existing components to use:

CORSAIR CX600M

RAIJINTEK THEMIS I

to be completely honest, if you don't have astromic needs like playing 4k 200hz, even going for an i7 3770 and a decent GPU is still an amazing experience, in my spare setup i have 16gb of ddr3 RAM, an i7 3770 and an r7 370 4gb OC from MSI and i can play elden ring at 720p 30+ fps stable

 

it's not a bad idea, but it all depends on which kind of games you want to play after all

[PDifolco]

13 minutes ago, y0ur5h4d0w said:

to be completely honest, if you don't have astromic needs like playing 4k 200hz, even going for an i7 3770 and a decent GPU is still an amazing experience, in my spare setup i have 16gb of ddr3 RAM, an i7 3770 and an r7 370 4gb OC from MSI and i can play elden ring at 720p 30+ fps stable

 

it's not a bad idea, but it all depends on which kind of games you want to play after all

Huh that's a 12 years old platform tho, and it'll not play many games decently (or at all) except at 720p

If you already have one and are still happy with it, fine for you, but noone should get this now

[y0ur5h4d0w]

Just now, PDifolco said:

Huh that's a 12 years old platform tho, and it'll not play many games decently (or at all) except at 720p

If you already have one and are still happy with it, fine for you, but noone should get this now

it was just to "extremize" the idea that anything can be either good or bad

 

in the end it all comes down to the actual usage, i have this setup just because i didn't want to throw in the junk that old i7 i scrapped from a dead microsoft AIO and the GPU which is my very first gaming GPU. i will probably use it as a NAS though which can be a good usage 

[testcy]

1 hour ago, TatamiMatt said:

Why not go for AM5 then to have DDR5 RAM and an upgrade to your existing system over LGA1700 which as you've said is dead, i know for you there will still be a lot of room for upgrading, but you have a limit already with LGA1700, whereas AM5 is still going

That was the idea, but I am also thinking about alternatives as AM5 is generally more expensive. With any platform including "dead" ones, I will probably stick to the same CPU and not "upgrade" for years, if I choose wisely.

37 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Upgrading from what ? For which usage ?

Upgrading from an aging 4th gen Intel build for better multi task (non gaming) performance and new storage/connectivity features.

[y0ur5h4d0w]

52 minutes ago, testcy said:

That was the idea, but I am also thinking about alternatives as AM5 is generally more expensive. With any platform including "dead" ones, I will probably stick to the same CPU and not "upgrade" for years, if I choose wisely.

Upgrading from an aging 4th gen Intel build for better multi task (non gaming) performance and new storage/connectivity features.

you can go AM4 and build something with a sort of beefy CPU like a ryzen 7 5700x and 32gb of DDR4 fast ram low latency and you're fine than,

 

i have a full setup (which i will be selling once i understand the correct price) without a GPU and disks built around a ryzen 7 3700x with 32gb of ddr4 3466 overclocked at 3666 cl16 which is still reliable even for heavy gaming loads, if you don't do gaming honestly on DDR4 and AM4 with a not so big budget you can get really nice performances

[PDifolco]

30 minutes ago, testcy said:

That was the idea, but I am also thinking about alternatives as AM5 is generally more expensive. With any platform including "dead" ones, I will probably stick to the same CPU and not "upgrade" for years, if I choose wisely.

Upgrading from an aging 4th gen Intel build for better multi task (non gaming) performance and new storage/connectivity features.

Budget ?

As you'll have to upgrade RAM as well it's better to go AM5 indeed

Anyway 12600K is a nice cheap workhorse I reckon

[Smalahovet]

2 hours ago, y0ur5h4d0w said:

you can go AM4 and build something with a sort of beefy CPU like a ryzen 7 5700x and 32gb of DDR4 fast ram low latency and you're fine than,

 

i have a full setup (which i will be selling once i understand the correct price) without a GPU and disks built around a ryzen 7 3700x with 32gb of ddr4 3466 overclocked at 3666 cl16 which is still reliable even for heavy gaming loads, if you don't do gaming honestly on DDR4 and AM4 with a not so big budget you can get really nice performances

Well makes the DDR4 ram he buys now useless for next build. If he gets DDR5 now, he can carry them over to the next PC as DDR5 will be around a long time. 

If he gets LGA1700 for cheap. Why not. Its very good value for money atm since its "newly" dead. Sure upgrading it wont do. But atleast he can carry over the DDR5 to the next build. 

[y0ur5h4d0w]

4 minutes ago, Smalahovet said:

Well makes the DDR4 ram he buys now useless for next build. If he gets DDR5 now, he can carry them over to the next PC as DDR5 will be around a long time. 

If he gets LGA1700 for cheap. Why not. Its very good value for money atm since its "newly" dead. Sure upgrading it wont do. But atleast he can carry over the DDR5 to the next build. 

he needs a PC not for gaming, so anything AM4 with a beefy ryzen 7 will do the work for years, it's not worth to go for AM5, if he can get his hands on a ryzen 9 on AM4 he's probably going to change CPU in the next 5 years, AM4 is still a really reliable platform

 

2 hours ago, y0ur5h4d0w said:

Upgrading from an aging 4th gen Intel build for better multi task (non gaming) performance and new storage/connectivity features.

 

[Smalahovet]

1 minute ago, y0ur5h4d0w said:

he needs a PC not for gaming, so anything AM4 with a beefy ryzen 7 will do the work for years, it's not worth to go for AM5, if he can get his hands on a ryzen 9 on AM4 he's probably going to change CPU in the next 5 years, AM4 is still a really reliable platform

 

 

Still its limited to DDR4. Lga1700 is not. And if hes not gaming. The bandwidth from DDR5 is huge.

I run DDR4, but i mainly game. So for me it would be little to no difference. Even a downgrade in some cases when it comes to low 1% fps due to my tight timings. 

I run Lga1700. Very reliable platform as well, i run the Alder lake. And thats been trouble free. Raptor lake has more issues, but with undervolt you will be fine there too.

I run my CPU at 0.05v negative offset. performance core ratio at 53x. 51-53ns in Aida. If i had Raptor lake i prolly would have 47-49ns latency. 

Only if he gamed, id recommend the AM4 cause of the x3d chip. That is superior im gaming due to the cache. And DDR4/DDR5 matters little yet. 

[testcy]

11 hours ago, testcy said:

Is it worth building a new system with components from a "dead" platform to save about half the cost? Preferably from LGA1700 rather AM4 to use DDR5 instead of DDR4? Not looking to overclock. Is I5-12600K affected by past Intel problems?

 

New components to buy:

ASROCK B760M-HDV/M.2

INTEL CORE I5-12600K

KINGSTON FURY BEAST 16GB (2X8GB) DDR5 6000MT/S CL30 DUAL KIT KF560C30BBEK2-16

 

Existing components to use:

CORSAIR CX600M

RAIJINTEK THEMIS I

Any ideas if the VRM (7+1+1 power phase) of the motherboard will be sufficient in the short and particularly in the long term? Likewise, will the existing components (PSU and cooler) be sufficient?

[Smalahovet]

13 hours ago, testcy said:

Any ideas if the VRM (7+1+1 power phase) of the motherboard will be sufficient in the short and particularly in the long term? Likewise, will the existing components (PSU and cooler) be sufficient?

The 12600k can hit about 250 watts at the peaks. So if you have an 600 watt PSU. You have 350 watts left for the rest. 

If we call overhead of your system about 100 watts (will depend what you have in there, harddrives, ssd, etc)

You have about 250 watts left for a GPU if you want one. If you run with iGPU your power budget is more than enough. 

The VRMs are entry level. I have the Strix Z690, that has 16+1 power stages. But my mobo is really at a different price point at more than double the price. 
You get what you pay for a guess. My VRM temps are usually 50ish celcius under load. 

And i have the 12900KF, thus why i went for bit better mobo. But 12600KF wont push 400 watts like mine does. 
So the VRMs to watt ratio is almost similar to mine. 

[TatamiMatt]

17 hours ago, testcy said:

Any ideas if the VRM (7+1+1 power phase) of the motherboard will be sufficient in the short and particularly in the long term? Likewise, will the existing components (PSU and cooler) be sufficient?

What board is the 7+1+1? Also the cooler might be sufficient, but there are plenty of cheap super effective coolers so no need to worry on that front.

 

Whats your use case and budget?

[testcy]

1 hour ago, TatamiMatt said:

What board is the 7+1+1? Also the cooler might be sufficient, but there are plenty of cheap super effective coolers so no need to worry on that front.

 

Whats your use case and budget?

https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/B760M-HDVM.2/index.us.asp

22 hours ago, testcy said:

for better multi task (non gaming) performance and new storage/connectivity features