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Until recently I used W11 on PC "A". I used that PC as a backup location for PC "B". On B, i shared read access to one folder. And from PC A, i used free file sync to manually backup to that folder to A. This works flawlessly on a few W11 PCs.

 

On PC A,  I now use Fedora 42 KDE. that uses the Dolphin file manager. Initially (when testing live and until a few days ago) i was able to access the folder on PC B and see all files. 

but for some reason now I still can see PC B, but when i click on that "folder", Dolphin crashes with not much explanation. Consequently Free File sync also cannot access those folders. 

I'm literally now sitting at another W11 PC and can access that shared folder on PC B just fine. 

 

I read about Samba needing to be installed, and there is a "Dolphin - Samba Filesharing Plugin" already installed. But i don't know how to access that to make changes (if needed). Dolphin also doesn't have settings for that. 

 

what else should i try? Since it worked before, i was hoping it is just  fluke, but even re-starting doesn't help.

 

One odd thing I noticed is that, Dolphin originally made me enter the credentials for PC B and there also is the option to make it remember the password. This makes sense and mirrors what W11 does. But when I tried to access it, that login window came back up (with credentials inc. password filled out - but it was like it needed me to hit OK again). Once i hit OK, this is when Dolphin crashes. 

 

I applied all updates available today and re-started to no avail. 

 

Do i need to make any setting changes or install anything else? Should i re-install dolphin (without breaking my OS)? i checked the add-ins for dolphin. and only three (graphics or video transfer weren't checked - for some reason the apply button didn't work when checking those)

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Lurking said:

Until recently I used W11 on PC "A". I used that PC as a backup location for PC "B". On B, i shared read access to one folder. And from PC A, i used free file sync to manually backup to that folder to A. This works flawlessly on a few W11 PCs.

 

On PC A,  I now use Fedora 42 KDE. that uses the Dolphin file manager. Initially (when testing live and until a few days ago) i was able to access the folder on PC B and see all files. 

but for some reason now I still can see PC B, but when i click on that "folder", Dolphin crashes with not much explanation. Consequently Free File sync also cannot access those folders. 

I'm literally now sitting at another W11 PC and can access that shared folder on PC B just fine. 

 

I read about Samba needing to be installed, and there is a "Dolphin - Samba Filesharing Plugin" already installed. But i don't know how to access that to make changes (if needed). Dolphin also doesn't have settings for that. 

 

what else should i try? Since it worked before, i was hoping it is just  fluke, but even re-starting doesn't help.

 

One odd thing I noticed is that, Dolphin originally made me enter the credentials for PC B and there also is the option to make it remember the password. This makes sense and mirrors what W11 does. But when I tried to access it, that login window came back up (with credentials inc. password filled out - but it was like it needed me to hit OK again). Once i hit OK, this is when Dolphin crashes. 

 

I applied all updates available today and re-started to no avail. 

 

Do i need to make any setting changes or install anything else? Should i re-install dolphin (without breaking my OS)? i checked the add-ins for dolphin. and only three (graphics or video transfer weren't checked - for some reason the apply button didn't work when checking those)

 

 

You could just re-install dolphin which is your best bet

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1 minute ago, Dokira said:

You could just re-install dolphin which is your best bet

(Windows user here who wouldn't dare to de-install Explorer in Windows): Do i just use the "remove" in "discover", restart (and then have no File explorer for the time being) and go back in "discover" and search for Dolphin? 

(Probably stupid question, but before I nuke my system....)

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1 hour ago, Lurking said:

login credentials, though. 

That will be part of the "kdewallet" system.

1 hour ago, Lurking said:

i de- and re-installed Dolphin. but i still have the same problem. 

So, assuming the FC devs have their heads screwed on, this problem would be part of the 

1 hour ago, Lurking said:

"Dolphin - Samba Filesharing Plugin"

failing (or it's surrounding DE functions), and not Dolphin itself.

 

The best way I have found to prove if the "Dolphin - Samba Filesharing Plugin" is working is to go directly to the address bar, and use the syntax: smb://[user]@[host]/[path]/

 

But smb:// isn't the only useful protocol, nfs:// and fish:// exist too, both are superior to SMB if you can bend windows that far toward your will...

 

It's also worth checking that the cifs modules are loaded, with lsmod|grep cifs, if it returns nothing fallback to the FC forums*, there will be more "focused" expertise/experience there.

 

*I don't like to "redirect" people, however I do believe you would be "better served" there in this case.

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28 minutes ago, Ralphred said:

That will be part of the "kdewallet" system.

So, assuming the FC devs have their heads screwed on, this problem would be part of the 

failing (or it's surrounding DE functions), and not Dolphin itself.

 

The best way I have found to prove if the "Dolphin - Samba Filesharing Plugin" is working is to go directly to the address bar, and use the syntax: smb://[user]@[host]/[path]/

 

But smb:// isn't the only useful protocol, nfs:// and fish:// exist too, both are superior to SMB if you can bend windows that far toward your will...

 

It's also worth checking that the cifs modules are loaded, with lsmod|grep cifs, if it returns nothing fallback to the FC forums*, there will be more "focused" expertise/experience there.

 

*I don't like to "redirect" people, however I do believe you would be "better served" there in this case.

Thanks. I will try that. But I'm also preparing myself to have to re-install the OS. But that also makes me question the choice of OS. I assumed Fedora is a good balance between stability and bleeding edge. Maybe too much bleeding?

 

Since this is a feature that worked at first, but then stopped working. If i have to re-install anyway, should i rather get Debian 13 KDE? (this is an old i7 -7700k system with iGPU)

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I'm not sure about this particular scenario as haven't really done this in a long time. @Ralphred's suggestion is probably best.

 

However, there's a few things you could try. One is to downgrade "kdenetwork-filesharing" which is the package that provides the samba integration with KDE and see if it works:

sudo dnf downgrade kdenetwork-filesharing

This should pull in the version from the original Fedora 42 release at that point in time. Suggest you log out and back in after this. This upstream bug might be related, in which case the above should hopefully solve the issue. If it does, you can pin the version to prevent it from auto-upgrading next time you run a system update.

 

In case it's an issue with samba, which I doubt but doesn't hurt, you can try the same:

sudo dnf downgrade samba

If neither solves it, If this is the issue then it could be somewhere else.

 

If it worked before but not now, chances are some package got updated and has a bug. With Fedora bug fixes tend to trickle down rather quickly after being fixed upstream, but so can bugs. In general it's a good balance between updates and stability, yes, but can understand if you prefer something even less prone to change. Debian with KDE should provide the same general experience, but note it has a 2 year release cycle during which period there's only bug fixes.

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6 minutes ago, NoLeafClover said:

This upstream bug might be related, in which case the above should hopefully solve the issue.

This is a reported bug that describes the same symptoms as you @Lurking, making it a "cross-distro bug"; try it's solutions before my "generic suggestions" if you can!

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4 minutes ago, Lurking said:

If i have to re-install anyway, should i rather get Debian 13 KDE?

I'm the wrong person to ask if I'm honest, and here is why: There are essentially three "root distros": Redhat, Debian and Arch*

These all have pro's and cons that must be weighed up by each individual, but also weighted by each individual.

 

Fedora is the easiest to use, this is because it's "Red Hat Enterprise Linux - Beta plus", the literal testing ground for RHEL. Yes they make it "stable" because they want people to use it, yes they make it "easy" because they want people to use it, yes they make it's software a "relevant version" because they want people to use it, but it's users ultimately make the compromise of being "glorified beta testers", this will not change.

 

Arch is the "cutting edge" option, but to make it "easily usable" they offer a bunch of precompiled stuff, default package options, and mix and match with bleeding edge "unsupported" AUR software. Honestly it's a fucking shit show, mostly used by people too lazy/stupid to use Gentoo. It is however a good starting point for a rational distro, even a personal one if you have the chops.

 

Now Debian. It's the "giant" that so many stand on the shoulders of. The only real prerequisite to installing and using it successfully is the ability to RTFM, but for some inexplicable reason those unwilling to RTFM consider this condition to be a personal insult. Debian is my go to recommendation for anyone who needs more than that offered by alpine, and lacking the intrinsic knowledge to understand the benefits of Gentoo. My hardliner stance on this recommendation is why I'm the wrong person to ask, but if I was exactly as smart and experienced as me, then I'd certainly recommend listening 🤣

 

*(ostensibly Gentoo and Slackware too, but it's moot for this example, if you wish to challenge this without understanding why I have "chosen" these three, then you are not qualified to challenge, and this is not the place to offer commentary anyway, just @ me in a new thread!)

 

TL;DR, I (almost) always recommend installing Debian, so yes!

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1 hour ago, Lurking said:

Thanks. I will try that. But I'm also preparing myself to have to re-install the OS. But that also makes me question the choice of OS. I assumed Fedora is a good balance between stability and bleeding edge. Maybe too much bleeding?

 

Since this is a feature that worked at first, but then stopped working. If i have to re-install anyway, should i rather get Debian 13 KDE? (this is an old i7 -7700k system with iGPU)

Personally I strongly recommend Fedora.

 

Reinstalling the OS is usually not necessary, most issues are usually to do with your own user configuration.  Easy way to check this, create a new user, login as that user and try accessing the share from there.

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24 minutes ago, NoLeafClover said:

I'm not sure about this particular scenario as haven't really done this in a long time. @Ralphred's suggestion is probably best.

 

However, there's a few things you could try. One is to downgrade "kdenetwork-filesharing" which is the package that provides the samba integration with KDE and see if it works:

sudo dnf downgrade kdenetwork-filesharing

This should pull in the version from the original Fedora 42 release at that point in time. Suggest you log out and back in after this. This upstream bug might be related, in which case the above should hopefully solve the issue. If it does, you can pin the version to prevent it from auto-upgrading next time you run a system update.

 

In case it's an issue with samba, which I doubt but doesn't hurt, you can try the same:

sudo dnf downgrade samba

If neither solves it, If this is the issue then it could be somewhere else.

 

If it worked before but not now, chances are some package got updated and has a bug. With Fedora bug fixes tend to trickle down rather quickly after being fixed upstream, but so can bugs. In general it's a good balance between updates and stability, yes, but can understand if you prefer something even less prone to change. Debian with KDE should provide the same general experience, but note it has a 2 year release cycle during which period there's only bug fixes.

Thanks. that didn't work. My hardware is 9 years old and Debian 13 KDE seems to be a snice looking as Fedora KDE. I'm fine with less updates as long as security and bugs get fixed. 

15 minutes ago, Ralphred said:

This is a reported bug that describes the same symptoms as you @Lurking, making it a "cross-distro bug"; try it's solutions before my "generic suggestions" if you can!

So I'm not the only one... not sure this is good, but a least I'm not insane. 

3 minutes ago, Ralphred said:

I'm the wrong person to ask if I'm honest, and here is why: There are essentially three "root distros": Redhat, Debian and Arch*

These all have pro's and cons that must be weighed up by each individual, but also weighted by each individual.

 

Fedora is the easiest to use, this is because it's "Red Hat Enterprise Linux - Beta plus", the literal testing ground for RHEL. Yes they make it "stable" because they want people to use it, yes they make it "easy" because they want people to use it, yes they make it's software a "relevant version" because they want people to use it, but it's users ultimately make the compromise of being "glorified beta testers", this will not change.

 

Arch is the "cutting edge" option, but to make it "easily usable" they offer a bunch of precompiled stuff, default package options, and mix and match with bleeding edge "unsupported" AUR software. Honestly it's a fucking shit show, mostly used by people too lazy/stupid to use Gentoo. It is however a good starting point for a rational distro, even a personal one if you have the chops.

 

Now Debian. It's the "giant" that so many stand on the shoulders of. The only real prerequisite to installing and using it successfully is the ability to RTFM, but for some inexplicable reason those unwilling to RTFM consider this condition to be a personal insult. Debian is my go to recommendation for anyone who needs more than that offered by alpine, and lacking the intrinsic knowledge to understand the benefits of Gentoo. My hardliner stance on this recommendation is why I'm the wrong person to ask, but if I was exactly as smart and experienced as me, then I'd certainly recommend listening 🤣

 

*(ostensibly Gentoo and Slackware too, but it's moot for this example, if you wish to challenge this without understanding why I have "chosen" these three, then you are not qualified to challenge, and this is not the place to offer commentary anyway, just @ me in a new thread!)

 

TL;DR, I (almost) always recommend installing Debian, so yes!

I tried Debian in a VM, but my PC locked up after i had it "installed" in VM. The installation questionnaire wasn't the worst. I will try the live iso

(they don't make it easy on their website, but all YT reviews make it look nice and should work almost like Fedora?)

 

TBH, their website is what made me choose Fedora. Time to give them another try. This look like the correct iso for "stable"? 

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This Pc is a living room PC. So watching YT/Netflix in a browser is what it does most. The use as a storage (the topic of this thread) and use for karaoke (passing through microphone) are just two other things i need to get to to work. So, with good documentation, i hope i can get there. 

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27 minutes ago, Ralphred said:

Arch is the "cutting edge" option, but to make it "easily usable" they offer a bunch of precompiled stuff, default package options, and mix and match with bleeding edge "unsupported" AUR software. Honestly it's a fucking shit show, mostly used by people too lazy/stupid to use Gentoo. It is however a good starting point for a rational distro, even a personal one if you have the chops.

I realise this is offtopic but I just had to say it - this is perhaps the first time I've heard (read) somebody have this opinion, other than myself, even if put in more direct words than I would have personally choosen. It certainly seems... an "unpopular" one, but when I first tried Arch, as somebody who had used Gentoo for a many years beforehand, I felt exactly this way. But we'll get crucified for saying this out loud. It wasn't long before I reverted back. Gentoo is really the one distro I found I can connect with "on a deep, philosophical level." But, yes, RTFM and patience (a lot of it) is key here... The rabbit hole goes very deep, but it can be a true revelation for those who choose to follow the white bonneted penguin. For most... the TL;DR sums it best.

 

+1 on the general summary of main distros, I've previously expressed identical views. I also have a certain distaste for "gaming distros" but am desperately trying to keep an open mind.

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21 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Reinstalling the OS is usually not necessary, most issues are usually to do with your own user configuration.  Easy way to check this, create a new user, login as that user and try accessing the share from there.

Good idea... but i tried a second account and that has the same problem. 

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26 minutes ago, Lurking said:

Thanks. that didn't work. My hardware is 9 years old and Debian 13 KDE seems to be a snice looking as Fedora KDE. I'm fine with less updates as long as security and bugs get fixed. 

That's a shame. There may be more packages involved if the bug in some other KDE libraries. I was going to suggest reverting Dolphin but, having just tried this on an up to date Fedora system, it won't be easy due to the various interdependencies with other packages.

 

If it's not urgent to you, feel free to wait for a few weeks and see if a fix is released.

 

As for Debian, yes, it will look and feel the same if you choose to try it. Ultimately most of the user-facing software is the same, and Deban 13, having been released only a week or two ago, will have fairly recent versions of KDE and other packages. KDE is KDE on all distros, same with Gnome, Xfce, etc, bar exact versions. From a standard desktop environment perspective, differences between distros are usually more subtle/cosmetic on the UX side and far more to do with deeper ideologies that are often not too visible to a usual user. Except of course in some cases where a distro may have its own heavy customisations, or own desktop environment, which would often also be its main selling point as well.

 

26 minutes ago, Lurking said:

This look like the correct iso for "stable"?

Yep.

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5 minutes ago, NoLeafClover said:

I felt exactly this way. But we'll get crucified for saying this out loud.

You are clearly not alone. On the second point, IDGAF: "Your not an atheist if you have never read a religious scripture from cover to cover, you are just ignorant."

10 minutes ago, NoLeafClover said:

I also have a certain distaste for "gaming distros" but am desperately trying to keep an open mind.

I wouldn't say I have a "distaste", even though I'd never use one myself, but I'm always mindful of: The more you let the distro devs do and chose for you, then the more your own knowledge may be found lacking when the time comes to fix things for yourself. Windows "power users" have the hardest time accepting this paradigm.

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29 minutes ago, Lurking said:

This Pc is a living room PC. So watching YT/Netflix in a browser is what it does most. The use as a storage (the topic of this thread) and use for karaoke (passing through microphone) are just two other things i need to get to to work. So, with good documentation, i hope i can get there. 

I have a similar machine. I use an old DVD player IR remote to control it (mainly 'cos I'm too poor/lazy to use a bluetooth mouse/keyboard).

Now there will be some conflicting information here, but it's for you to assess so...

 

Vivaldi was the best browser for me to use, is has this "cursor up/down/left/right" function to jump between "links", so worked really well when navigating both 'Netflix' and 'Amazon Prime Video' websites, with uBlock Origin shutting down "undesirable website areas" (like the "login" and "account" menu bar on Amazon)

You have just switched from windows, so my recommendation would be KDE, it's the closest to a "windows environment" and will not confuse the average windows user, esspecially in your use case.

The conflict comes with this "kiosk mode" for a media machine, KDE can be a bit "resource heavy" if you don't reign it in, but if it was running win10 or 11, then there really isn't anything to worry about, well until about 2033 anyway 😉

 

What you are asking to do is totally feasible though, my "TV server" was on a FX6350 based machine until earlier this year, now it's on a Ryzen 5600, neither ever broke a sweat.

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So I tested Debian 13 in a live session and was able to access the shared folder on the W11 PC. Then I installed Debian for good. And the first thing i did was open Dolphin, and access the same folder and after entering my credentials, the same happens, Dolphin crashes. 

 

BTW, the installation was quite daunting. My SSD has  partition with NTFS data (from when this was a W11 PC) and i had to go back and forth to delete the data and re-create the partition that had housed Fedora 42 installation. And then i had to "guess" where i wanted to install the Grub boot loader. 

 

So, there must be something else going on here when the live-iso works fine, but a totally fresh installation causes problems. Is it possible the live-iso has an older Dolphin? 

 

There were no updates in Discover.

 

I also installed free file sync. That is a 2024 version, which is fine. but it couldn't show any network folder. That is a secondary problem since there may be an alternative application. 

 

So, what can i try now? (and no, not another OS installation 🙂 ) 

 

Here the bug report:

Application: Dolphin (dolphin), signal: Aborted


 

warning: Can't open file anon_inode:i915.gem during file-backed mapping note processing

 

warning: Can't open file /memfd:wayland-shm (deleted) during file-backed mapping note processing

[New LWP 6966]

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[New LWP 6986]

[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]

Using host libthread_db library "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libthread_db.so.1".

Core was generated by `/usr/bin/dolphin'.

Program terminated with signal SIGABRT, Aborted.

#0  0x00007f4d7889e95c in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6

[Current thread is 1 (Thread 0x7f4d70fba280 (LWP 6966))]

Cannot QML trace cores 😞

/usr/share/drkonqi/gdb/python/gdb_preamble/preamble.py:547: DeprecationWarning: datetime.datetime.utcfromtimestamp() is deprecated and scheduled for removal in a future version. Use timezone-aware objects to represent datetimes in UTC: datetime.datetime.fromtimestamp(timestamp, datetime.UTC).

  boot_time = datetime.utcfromtimestamp(psutil.boot_time()).strftime('%Y-%m-%dT%H:%M:%S')

/usr/share/drkonqi/gdb/python/gdb_preamble/preamble.py:564: DeprecationWarning: datetime.datetime.utcnow() is deprecated and scheduled for removal in a future version. Use timezone-aware objects to represent datetimes in UTC: datetime.datetime.now(datetime.UTC).

  'timestamp': datetime.utcnow().isoformat(),

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7 hours ago, Lurking said:

Is it possible the live-iso has an older Dolphin?

Yes, very likely.

You can try mounting the share "without dolphin" too though, you'll be using the "standard linux tools" so dolphin will just open it "like any other directory". I found a quick tutorial https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-mount-cifs-windows-share-on-linux/

Read it a couple of times before doing anything, and if you are unsure about any of it then ask here.

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7 hours ago, Ralphred said:

Yes, very likely.

You can try mounting the share "without dolphin" too though, you'll be using the "standard linux tools" so dolphin will just open it "like any other directory". I found a quick tutorial https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-mount-cifs-windows-share-on-linux/

Read it a couple of times before doing anything, and if you are unsure about any of it then ask here.

Thanks. i will look into that more. but it seems that requires me to know domain names etc. Would that mounted version then automatically update when the source folder changes? or is that something I have to do again every time i want to sync data? 

 

I meanwhile tried the following:

- installed a different file program called "File". that didn't work at all and didn't even see the shared folder (it also is a Gnome software)

- installed a newer version 25.08.0  from this site the oob version was 25.04.3. that didn't help at all. I originally wanted to install an older version (hoping to emulate my success with the live version of Debian). But i didn't readily see a way to install an older release. and it seems "Discover" also had a hard time with the add-ins of un-approved versions.  

 

And I'm not even 100% convinced Dolphin crashing is my only problem here. Because Free File Sync cannot discover any network or doesn't offer any network locations. Is there maybe another sync or backup tool that does the same i could try? Ultimately the only reason i ever needed Dolphin here is so that i enter and save my credentials. In W11, i only use explorer once to manually access the folder (so i can enter the credentials). After that, I only use Free File Sync. My theory is, if I can coerce FFS to find the folder, I can ignore the Dolphin problem for now. 

 

On Debian in general:

- It had included Grub and that gave me the option to start in older Kernels. Since I don't dual-boot, i disabled that in the text file. 

- when starting and shutting down it runs a longlist of text for fast second. Probably some things it is testing. that wasn't shown in Fedora. is that normal and does it add actual time to startup and shut-down? (it overall is fast, i just wonder because i see it)

- I'm impressed a PC can idle at 0.3% CPU. In W11 you always run 10-30% (i7-7700K). It also uses only 2.5GB of RAM out of 16G after startup. My heavily de-bloated W11 used about 5GB (and at my work where I don't have control, W11 starts at 9GB)

- Besides this issue in this thread, i find it easy to use. Definitely not more work to figure out than Windows. Overall the GUI is like Windows, just better. Same is true for Fedora. You won't believe how many times i had to research Windows commands, registry edits, group policy editor things etc. And you have to do that again after updates... 

- Except finding the iso, and a somewhat more complicated installation process,  this really could be a beginner OS. 

- Only thing that was better in Fedora is that a newly installed software was marked with a highlighted circle in the Menu. So you easily find it. 

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2 hours ago, Lurking said:

Would that mounted version then automatically update when the source folder changes?

Yes.

There are instructions about "using fstab" in the link too, so you can have it working automatically after reboots.

2 hours ago, Lurking said:

i just wonder because i see it

It's just hidden in FC, the sequence is "probably" mostly the same.

2 hours ago, Lurking said:

this really could be a beginner OS.

Yeah, it has a slightly "higher bar to entry", but if you get over that and don't have oddly specific needs* it's actually really easy to use. One of the reasons I recommend it is you can install nearly all of the desktop environments, and play with them all at will.

 

*your needs are neither odd nor specific 🙂

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2 hours ago, Lurking said:

Is there maybe another sync or backup tool that does the same i could try?

I didn't know of the top of my head so I asked an AI search engine "list of standalone cifs filesystem GUI browsers for debian"

I've numbered them as to what my preference to try them would be:

  • Nautilus     5
  • Dolphin
  • Konqueror 6  (may have the same issue as dolphin)
  • Krusader    7 (as above ^)
  • PCManFM  1
  • Thunar       2
  • Nemo         3
  • Caja            4
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2 hours ago, Ralphred said:

 

I didn't know of the top of my head so I asked an AI search engine "list of standalone cifs filesystem GUI browsers for debian"

I've numbered them as to what my preference to try them would be:

  • Nautilus     5
  • Dolphin
  • Konqueror 6  (may have the same issue as dolphin)
  • Krusader    7 (as above ^)
  • PCManFM  1
  • Thunar       2
  • Nemo         3
  • Caja            4

I tried a few of those (the ones I could readily find in "Discover", like PCMan, thunar). but they couldn't even open the network folder at all. 

 

But I then tried the live session again to see which Dolphin version that uses. That also uses the 25.04.3. and i was able to access the shared folder.

 

But then i installed Free File sync from Discover (that is an older version) on the live session (if this is a real installation at all). And then the problem appeared again. 

FFS also wasn't able to browse for network folder. So, installing Free File sync is what screwed this up. In the live session i then proceeded with manually installing the latest FFS version from their website. but that also didn't work. 

 

I then went back into my regular installed Debian and de-installed FFS, and Dolphin. Then I re-installed Dolphin and hoped this would "heal" Dolphin. But i still have this problem that Dolphin crashes when accessing the shared folder.

 

I also saw there is a sync software (syncthing) installed. But i wasn't able to use that. it sounds like both PCs need to have that installed. 

 

So now i have to find out if i can sync my files regardless of the the Dolphin issue and what to do next. Definitely won't install Free File sync since that seems to have screwed this up. I now use Time machine, but i didn't do that initially. Once I figure out how to not screw up again, i may even re-install Debian. but not before i know for sure how to resolve this. 

 

And i had used FFS on all my Windows PCs for many years without issue. it is a really neat tool since you have exact control how it syncs, stores the changed files and so on. and no files will be in a proprietary format, they all are the regular files i can access without FFS. That is why i was hoping I can make this work here. 

 

And I really only had installed the (rather old) Free File Sync version from Discover. 

 

Edit: i re-tried the live session and skipped FS from discover, but only installed the current version of FFS. this creates the same problem. 

so i guess I need to find a different solution to sync my files (mirror)

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2 hours ago, Lurking said:

I need to find a different solution to sync my files (mirror)

Just use rsync from terminal.

Or grsync if you want GUI.

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16 hours ago, xAcid9 said:

Just use rsync from terminal.

Or grsync if you want GUI.

i tried the grsync, but wasn't able to see any network locations. 

 

but i also didn't see many options to change how to sync. i only want to what FFS calls "mirror". is that even possible?

https://freefilesync.org/manual.php?topic=synchronization-settings

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I was able to sync manually with FFS and an external HDD. but obviously this isn't a great long term solution. 

 

some more on Debian:

- I still love it and the speed of starting up and shutting down is phenomenal. My W11 PCs are on much much more powerful Hardware (inc. better SSD) and take much longer (admittedly, they have more software installed)

- I learned the hard way I wasn't a "sudoer" user. I tried to add myself with the Terminal commands to no avail. I ended up manually editing the sudoer text file. Apparently when installing and setting up a root user, the actual user doesn't get sudo rights. Maybe in windows that would mean a user doesn't have Admin rights. 

- I was able to set up Whatsapp and link to my locally stored movies. 

- Would I re-install Debian? I myself yes since I now hopefully figured out the quirks. But to someone else I would recommend Fedora KDE. Last week at work someone mentioned they have a W10 PC they can't upgrade to W11. Naturally I told them about Rufus. But I also told them about Fedora 42 KDE and added a link to their page. On that page they can see how nice (and Widows-like) Fedora looks like, they see it can do all things they may want. There is an easy download and USB-creation button. And the installation isn't more daunting (partitions!) than Windows installation. And they will have sudo-rights. Once set up Debian will look and work exactly the same. But imagine i just send them a link to the Debian website. If they don't just go back to Windows 11 right away, they have to find the iso, and then deal with the installation options and end up without sudo rights. Debian relies on someone knowledgeable setting it up for the user. Then the user can use it like Fedora. But the setting up is where a regular user will just go back to Windows (if they even make it past the website).

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I tried another thing to no avail. I got the idea Opensuse is a completely different platform. So i got an iso of their Leap distro. Only to realize that uses an very old (like int e 17.x or so) dolphin version and couldn't open the network folder at all. Then i got a Tumbleweed (or slowroll?) iso and that had the most current Dolphin version. that at least would show me the SMB folder in the network location. But it wasn't able to show my my W11 PC at all. And I had truly changed nothing in the live iso.

 

Is accessing a Windows folder that is shared a too alien thing for Linux? AFAIK, for Windows that works oob. 

 

I will use this PC with Debian for a few months. If no solution appears, I probably have to put W11 back on. 

My original plan was, if this Linux conversion is successful for a Living room PC, to install Linux on one of my desk PC that is used for remoting into work and with two monitors. Obviously, I'm shelfing those plans for now. 

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