9060xt Question

[tolkiennerd69]

I know that people say the 7600xt's 128 bit bus is too slow for its 16gb of vram. I noticed that the 9060xt also has a 128 bit bus and obviously 16gb of vram. Why don't people complain about this like the do with the 7600xt? Or is there some other feature which makes up for it?

[Dedayog]

26 minutes ago, tolkiennerd69 said:

I know that people say the 7600xt's 128 bit bus is too slow for its 16gb of vram. I noticed that the 9060xt also has a 128 bit bus and obviously 16gb of vram. Why don't people complain about this like the do with the 7600xt? Or is there some other feature which makes up for it?

Bus may be the same, but the bandwidth is increased.  Can't just use 1 spec to compare.

[Millios]

1 hour ago, tolkiennerd69 said:

I know that people say the 7600xt's 128 bit bus is too slow for its 16gb of vram. I noticed that the 9060xt also has a 128 bit bus and obviously 16gb of vram. Why don't people complain about this like the do with the 7600xt? Or is there some other feature which makes up for it?

Better Upscaling (FSR 4)
Better capabilities in AI and productivity (due to the new architecture)

Better bandwidth

And its anywhere from 22% Faster (According to TPU) to 30-32% faster (game and source dependent) for less than 10% more in price (In MSRP as in actual pricing it depends but it seems like in most of the world it remains in that ideal sub 20% difference)

 

TL DR it has a better feature set and what it has natively (ie bus and Vram) it uses it in a better way and gets you better results for a better deal

[KidKid]

59 minutes ago, tolkiennerd69 said:

I know that people say the 7600xt's 128 bit bus is too slow for its 16gb of vram. I noticed that the 9060xt also has a 128 bit bus and obviously 16gb of vram. Why don't people complain about this like the do with the 7600xt? Or is there some other feature which makes up for it?

The RX 7600XT has 288GBp/s of memory bandwidth, while the 9060XT has 322GBp/s

[YoungBlade]

I think the issue is that the people complaining about the 128-bit bus on the 7600XT being insufficient for the 16GB of memory don't understand what they're talking about.

 

The RX 7600 and 7600XT are basically identical apart from the VRAM. There is a mild overclock, but you can make it an apples-to-apples comparison by underclocking the 7600XT.

 

Show me the testing where the 7600XT, matched clock-for-clock, loses to the RX 7600 outside of the margin of error.

 

I asked for the same thing with the 4060 Ti 16GB when people claimed its bus was too small. I have yet to see anyone post anything that demonstrates that clamshell VRAM on a 128-bit bus is actually a problem.

 

So maybe the reason people aren't complaining about it is that in the past few years, no proof of it being a problem has materialized. Which is not itself proof that there's no problem, but I think it is safe to put the burden on proof on those who claim there is.

[PDifolco]

Just bought last week a 6800 (new) for my son, same price than 9060XT (400EUR)

Faster by 10%, much higher bandwidth (500GBs to 300), also faster than a 7700XT that only has 12GB VRAM and costs more

Sure it loses on AI stuff FSR and RT, but my son plays CS2 and HoI, really don't care

Then it eats more power (250W to 170), but again not a big deal

Thought about returning it to get a 9060XT, but eventually won't

[RejZoR]

Also RX 9060 XT uses full PCIe 4.0 x16 slot where RX 7600 XT uses x8 slot. Generally not an issue if you have PCIe 4.0 slot, but if you're on older PCIe 3.0, that might translate to significant loss in performance just through that.

[ewitte]

1 hour ago, RejZoR said:

Also RX 9060 XT uses full PCIe 4.0 x16 slot where RX 7600 XT uses x8 slot. Generally not an issue if you have PCIe 4.0 slot, but if you're on older PCIe 3.0, that might translate to significant loss in performance just through that.

I'm only losing about 5% running 4.0x4 on the 9060xt.  Undervolting actually gave that back to me.

[YoungBlade]

2 hours ago, RejZoR said:

Also RX 9060 XT uses full PCIe 4.0 x16 slot where RX 7600 XT uses x8 slot. Generally not an issue if you have PCIe 4.0 slot, but if you're on older PCIe 3.0, that might translate to significant loss in performance just through that.

PCIe bandwidth has the biggest impact when VRAM constrained. Given that the 7600XT has a 16GB buffer, it's unlikely that going to a Gen 3 system would give more than a few percent impact in current games.

 

In 5 years, once the new consoles have pushed VRAM requirements above 16GB, then yes, you'll likely see a big hit in PCIe 3.0 systems, but at that point, you'd be gaming with a decade old platform at least, so some compromise is expected.

[ewitte]

14 hours ago, YoungBlade said:

PCIe bandwidth has the biggest impact when VRAM constrained. Given that the 7600XT has a 16GB buffer, it's unlikely that going to a Gen 3 system would give more than a few percent impact in current games.

 

In 5 years, once the new consoles have pushed VRAM requirements above 16GB, then yes, you'll likely see a big hit in PCIe 3.0 systems, but at that point, you'd be gaming with a decade old platform at least, so some compromise is expected.

Off a 4.0x4 connection I'm currently (as typing) #1 for the 9060xt in Timespy and Steel Nomad.

 

Edit: now port royal

[tolkiennerd69]

Yes, I'm on a b550 mobo so PCIe 4.0. That's one of the reasons the 9060xt looks good to me.