Secure boot causing lag

[Syed Muhammad Faizan]

recently bought a system with a Ryzen 7500f, ASRock a620m hdv m.2 and a zotac rtx 3070 twin edge. It works perfectly fine without secure boot, but when turn on secure boot it starts lagging after 5-6 mins (need secure boot for valorant). It lags so much that my furmark score sometimes goes all the way into the 5000+ ish range when in reality it should be around 11000+ range. Anyone else faced this İssue?

[DoctorNick]

14 minutes ago, Syed Muhammad Faizan said:

recently bought a system with a Ryzen 7500f, ASRock a620m hdv m.2 and a zotac rtx 3070 twin edge. It works perfectly fine without secure boot, but when turn on secure boot it starts lagging after 5-6 mins (need secure boot for valorant). It lags so much that my furmark score sometimes goes all the way into the 5000+ ish range when in reality it should be around 11000+ range. Anyone else faced this İssue?

Sounds like something else than secure boot. How did you verify that it was the issue. Have you measured the temps on CPU and GPU using HWinfo64 (sensors only mode) while gaming /furmark for example?

[Syed Muhammad Faizan]

20 minutes ago, DoctorNick said:

Sounds like something else than secure boot. How did you verify that it was the issue. Have you measured the temps on CPU and GPU using HWinfo64 (sensors only mode) while gaming /furmark for example?

Yeah I also thought that it was something else, I then ran a cinebench r23 and furmark stress test, temps stayed under 75c on both cpu and gpu. With secure boot off there was no lag, with secure boot on there was alot of screen freeze, lag, skipped frames. I also played god of war 4 for like 2 hours or more with secure boot off, temps on the cpu were in the mid 60s and gpu was hovering on low 70s with fps around 70-80 which is as spec for the 3070. With secure boot on, the game started lagging after about 5 mins with a freeze screen occurring every 3-4 mins or sometimes even less

[Syed Muhammad Faizan]

For more context the first image is furmark running with secure boot off, and the second image is furmark running with secure boot on

[DoctorNick]

9 minutes ago, Syed Muhammad Faizan said:

Yeah I also thought that it was something else, I then ran a cinebench r23 and furmark stress test, temps stayed under 75c on both cpu and gpu. With secure boot off there was no lag, with secure boot on there was alot of screen freeze, lag, skipped frames. I also played god of war 4 for like 2 hours or more with secure boot off, temps on the cpu were in the mid 60s and gpu was hovering on low 70s with fps around 70-80 which is as spec for the 3070. With secure boot on, the game started lagging after about 5 mins with a freeze screen occurring every 3-4 mins or sometimes even less

Weird. Is resizable bar enabled in bios?

[Syed Muhammad Faizan]

6 minutes ago, DoctorNick said:

Weird. Is resizable bar enabled in bios?

Yeap enabled 

[DoctorNick]

2 minutes ago, Syed Muhammad Faizan said:

Yeap enabled 

Maybe disable secure boot and clear all keys. Reinitialize secure boot

[Syed Muhammad Faizan]

10 minutes ago, DoctorNick said:

Maybe disable secure boot and clear all keys. Reinitialize secure boot

Alright sounds easy enough 

[Cipher16]

can you clarify what you mean by " It works perfectly fine without secure boot, but when turn on secure boot it starts lagging after 5-6 mins " what's lagging exactly? 

[Syed Muhammad Faizan]

14 minutes ago, Cipher16 said:

can you clarify what you mean by " It works perfectly fine without secure boot, but when turn on secure boot it starts lagging after 5-6 mins " what's lagging exactly? 

So basically when secure boot is off the PC works normally. When secure boot is on every 3-4 mins there is a lag, the screen freezes and I can't move the mouse cursor either. This lag stays on for about 4-5 seconds and then PC unfreezes

[Cipher16]

7 minutes ago, Syed Muhammad Faizan said:

So basically when secure boot is off the PC works normally. When secure boot is on every 3-4 mins there is a lag, the screen freezes and I can't move the mouse cursor either. This lag stays on for about 4-5 seconds and then PC unfreezes

that is very strange behaviour, if nothing else works i would maybe try the following.

 

ensure bios is fully up to date

reset bios and

re-enable xmp / expo

re-enable sam 

re-enable secure boot

 

open command prompt as admin and run a "sfc /sccanow"

once thats finished run "powercfg /h -off" then finally run  "shutdown -r"

 

I dont believe the issue is caused by secure boot directly personally

 

[Syed Muhammad Faizan]

9 minutes ago, Cipher16 said:

that is very strange behaviour, if nothing else works i would maybe try the following.

 

ensure bios is fully up to date

reset bios and

re-enable xmp / expo

re-enable sam 

re-enable secure boot

 

open command prompt as admin and run a "sfc /sccanow"

once thats finished run "powercfg /h -off" then finally run  "shutdown -r"

 

I dont believe the issue is caused by secure boot directly personally

 

Bios is latest, all the drivers are latest aswell, I'll try the other things you've mentioned. I don't think secure boot is the underlying cause, but I do think that it's causing something else to get messed up which is causing the issues

[Mark Kaine]

so here's the thing, without secure boot vanguard cant run... if you enable secure boot vanguard runs and you get the lags that it's known for (i guess!)

not really the fault of secure boot. just uninstall vanguard and stop using Furmark, use Firestrike instead, Furmark is an unrealistic load that doesn't actually measure performance anyhow. 

[Syed Muhammad Faizan]

12 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

so here's the thing, without secure boot vanguard cant run... if you enable secure boot vanguard runs and you get the lags that it's known for (i guess!)

not really the fault of secure boot. just uninstall vanguard and stop using Furmark, use Firestrike instead, Furmark is an unrealistic load that doesn't actually measure performance anyhow. 

I uninstalled valorant and downloading it again now, does seem like a vanguard issue as after I uninstalled valorant all my other games seem to work fine and even furmark works fine. Furmark is an unrealistic load yes, but god of war 4 put more or less the same strain on the gpu that's why i was using it. I'm using the 1080p preset

[Ouy1]

I was in the same situation before. Now I figure it has nothing to do with Vanguard/ secure boot. What I recommend is press win+x and open event viewer ———> windows log ———> system. In this case you probably would be able to see a lot of warnings and errors. Check those warnings and error whenever lagging occurs. My personal experience is “Realtek PCIe GbE Family controller has a hardware IO error”, so I went to realtek’s official website and download the latest driver(the one does not support power saving mode,I’m assuming this power saving mode has some conflicts with windows 11 so that it will automatically restart which caused lag). Hope this sharing would help. Be free to reply if the problem isn’t solved(I also updated a few other hardware drivers, but I’m not sure does that actually help).

[Batman88]

Did you ever find the solution to this? I’m trying to play valorant and running into the exact same issue!!