AMD RAID-0 vs Intel RAID-0

[NDRE28]

Hello! 

 

Recently, I have upgraded my PC from an Intel Z390 platform, to an AMD X670E platform. 

I have 3x Samsung 970 Pro 1TB M.2 NVMe SSDs as storage. 

(When using RAID-0, the performance of my PC gets boosted substantially).

 

On the Intel platform, after creating a RAID-0 volume in the UEFI BIOS menu, I did see all of my drives combined, as a single 3TB drive. 

That setting remained like that for every future clean re-installs of Windows. 

 

On the AMD platform, though I have created the RAID-0 array in the UEFI BIOS menu, the 3 drives still appear separated at the Windows setup, and only get combined after installing the RAID drivers from a USB flash drive. 

 

The problem with AMD's approach is that if I want to reinstall Windows clean again, those 3 drives appear separated again, until installing the RAID drivers, which means that my partitions and my personal files are gone! 

 

QUESTION: 

Am I missing something here? 

Is there a better way of creating RAID arrays on AMD than that?

(I have used the RAID creating method described in the manual of my motherboard: ASRock X670E Taichi). 

 

[Shimejii]

i mean for the most part RAID 0 has not made sense to do for NVME drives for years. Its something made for HDD's.

 

What exactly do you do that you think you gain from doing Raid 0? Because i can tell you for the vast majority of it is placebo.

 

Generally speaking RAID on the AMD side is a little less intuitive.

 

1 hour ago, NDRE28 said:

The problem with AMD's approach is that if I want to reinstall Windows clean again, those 3 drives appear separated again, until installing the RAID drivers, which means that my partitions and my personal files are gone! 

 

 

 

Yes this is how RAID 0 works.  I would only consider doing 2 drives in raid 0, the other one having the files you want to transfer.

[NDRE28]

4 hours ago, Shimejii said:

i mean for the most part RAID 0 has not made sense to do for NVME drives for years. Its something made for HDD's.

 

What exactly do you do that you think you gain from doing Raid 0? Because i can tell you for the vast majority of it is placebo.

 

Generally speaking RAID on the AMD side is a little less intuitive.

 

Yes this is how RAID 0 works.  I would only consider doing 2 drives in raid 0, the other one having the files you want to transfer.

No, that's not how RAID works on Intel. 

That's how it works on AMD. 

 

"Placebo"? 

Not really. 

I see an improvement in the overall snappy-ness of the system. 

Also, I've seen huge gains in benchmarks. There are some benchmarks in which the numbers are higher than double, compared to the non-RAID setup! 

[Shimejii]

3 minutes ago, NDRE28 said:

No, that's not how RAID works on Intel. 

That's how it works on AMD. 

 

"Placebo"? 

Not really. 

I see an improvement in the overall snappy-ness of the system. 

Also, I've seen huge gains in benchmarks. There are some benchmarks in which the numbers are higher than double, compared to the non-RAID setup! 

Raid 0 Benchmarks mean very little if you arent actually doing anything that utilizes them. Yes it looks  nice hitting the big numbers, but unless you are actually doing any sort of file transfers with large file sizes (basically a server style offloading footage and such) there is very little point to actually doing this. Games dont benefit from it, the OS does not benefit from it.

 

Yes Placebo. A good Gen 4 NVME drive will be as snappy without raid 0. Hell id even wager a clean install on just one of the Gen 3 drives will get you as snappy performance. This has been tested again and again on different channels between SATA SSD, Gen 3 NVME, Gen 4 NVME. They feel and perform the same when given a clean install. The thing that has made some people feel more snappy was 10th gen Intel cpus, and 7000 series AMD cpus. Those systems have been shown to be quite snappy.

 

Now if you were doing Video editing and you wanted to have one drive be the scrub drive, the other the storage drive, i can maybe see a point. But besides that specific thing, RAID 0 is absolutely pointless for consumers to do.

 

 

[NDRE28]

10 hours ago, Shimejii said:

Raid 0 Benchmarks mean very little if you arent actually doing anything that utilizes them. Yes it looks  nice hitting the big numbers, but unless you are actually doing any sort of file transfers with large file sizes (basically a server style offloading footage and such) there is very little point to actually doing this. Games dont benefit from it, the OS does not benefit from it.

 

Yes Placebo. A good Gen 4 NVME drive will be as snappy without raid 0. Hell id even wager a clean install on just one of the Gen 3 drives will get you as snappy performance. This has been tested again and again on different channels between SATA SSD, Gen 3 NVME, Gen 4 NVME. They feel and perform the same when given a clean install. The thing that has made some people feel more snappy was 10th gen Intel cpus, and 7000 series AMD cpus. Those systems have been shown to be quite snappy.

 

Now if you were doing Video editing and you wanted to have one drive be the scrub drive, the other the storage drive, i can maybe see a point. But besides that specific thing, RAID 0 is absolutely pointless for consumers to do.

 

 

I am not a gamer. 

I do transfer pretty large files. 

 

I am using 3x Gen3 SSD drives. 

There is a very noticeable speed difference between a clean install of Windows on a single drive, and a clean install on the RAID-0 array (3 drives). 

 

I don't rely on the experience of others from the internet. 

I did my own tests. 

 

Sure, a Gen5 SSD, like the Crucial T705 4TB drive, would be faster, but I can't buy that drive yet. 

[dogwitch]

dontu se any of amd raid drivers. m.2 1 terrible and took me 2 months to problem solve and i had to do low lvl cmd line to formate drive.

they not update the driver for that one for 4 years now.

[NDRE28]

2 hours ago, dogwitch said:

dontu se any of amd raid drivers. m.2 1 terrible and took me 2 months to problem solve and i had to do low lvl cmd line to formate drive.

they not update the driver for that one for 4 years now.

Yeah. 

I understand. 

However, I am already using AMD RAID. 

I wish they had set a low level RAID driver inside of the UEFI BIOS, so that Windows would see those RAID drives combined, as 1 large drive, at setup (just as Intel motherboards do). 

[dogwitch]

1 minute ago, NDRE28 said:

Yeah. 

I understand. 

However, I am already using AMD RAID. 

I wish they had set a low level RAID driver inside of the UEFI BIOS, so that Windows would see those RAID drives combined, as 1 large drive, at setup (just as Intel motherboards do). 

seems only server side stuff get any support their. but consumer side of it been pretty dead.unless it relates to chipset stuff for raid or sata etc.