First time build for competitive fps

[mychunguslife]

Budget (including currency): around 1300e (excluding gpu)

Country: Finland

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Valorant, Overwatch 2, occasional story game but competitive titles priority, maybe streaming

Other details

https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/list/HnD2pB

^Upgrading from a prebuilt, taking gpu (3060) and storage (sata) from old build. Getting the monitor off amazon for about 100e cheaper than the ppp build has it. Mainly going to be playing valorant and similar competitive titles, looking for consistent high frames and longevity. Any concerns/suggestions appreciated! (alternatives preferably in the same price range and available on either proshop fi or amazon de)

 

 

[monopoly_hater]

What does your current PC have? If it's halfway decent upgrading makes no sense.

[mychunguslife]

7 minutes ago, anirudthelinuxwIzard said:

What does your current PC have? If it's halfway decent upgrading makes no sense.

It's a 4 year old acer predator prebuilt with just the gpu swapped out. Working with an i7-10700k, 500w power supply, acer camp h470 motherboard, 16g ddr4, case with poor airflow (cpu temps regularly idling in the 70s). Getting under 200 frames on valorant right now with low settings and looking to upgrade to a 240hz monitor. Got some money rn so looking to go for a beastly, clean build that will tear through the games I wanna play and last me a long time. Also hyped to build my own computer for the first time.

[monopoly_hater]

17 minutes ago, mychunguslife said:

It's a 4 year old acer predator prebuilt with just the gpu swapped out. Working with an i7-10700k, 500w power supply, acer camp h470 motherboard, 16g ddr4, case with poor airflow (cpu temps regularly idling in the 70s). Getting under 200 frames on valorant right now with low settings and looking to upgrade to a 240hz monitor. Got some money rn so looking to go for a beastly, clean build that will tear through the games I wanna play and last me a long time. Also hyped to build my own computer for the first time.

Here's a extensively reworked build that I believe will be better for gaming: https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/list/LncY4M

Edited September 4, 2024 by anirudthelinuxwIzard
DAMN IT!

[venomtail]

Just now, anirudthelinuxwIzard said:

Here's a extensively reworked build that I believe will be better for gaming: https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/list/.

/list, nice

[monopoly_hater]

1 minute ago, venomtail said:

/list, nice

sorry, I added the actual permalink.

[DoctorNick]

8 minutes ago, anirudthelinuxwIzard said:

Here's a extensively reworked build that I believe will be better for gaming: https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/list/LncY4M

Its ok apart from the awful VA panel

[monopoly_hater]

Just now, DoctorNick said:

Its ok apart from the awful VA panel

for fps i thought va has better reponse times?

[venomtail]

50 minutes ago, mychunguslife said:

Budget (including currency): around 1300e (excluding gpu)

https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/list/HnD2pB

 

 

Bit confused, because you're sitting at 1660eur already and have included a monitor.

Personally I'd add 5eur and get wifi, means you also get bluetooth. I'd also get an NVME boot drive.

 

Please reconsider that monitor. I have it, and it was a new novel product in 2018~ to play at 240hz and that's when it was worth 500+ eur but not in 2024. IPS, OLED panels can do 240hz and the drawbacks of TN aren't worth it. Worst is colour shift at all angles. If I was to get a competitive monitor, I'd either get an IPS 240hz for 400eur or an OLED for 800eur. 600 for this is not it.

[podkall]

11 minutes ago, mychunguslife said:

It's a 4 year old acer predator prebuilt with just the gpu swapped out. Working with an i7-10700k, 500w power supply, acer camp h470 motherboard, 16g ddr4, case with poor airflow (cpu temps regularly idling in the 70s). Getting under 200 frames on valorant right now with low settings and looking to upgrade to a 240hz monitor. Got some money rn so looking to go for a beastly, clean build that will tear through the games I wanna play and last me a long time. Also hyped to build my own computer for the first time.

What other monitors are available for your budget, or are you sure that one is good because it has some kind of discount from a higher price?

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€419.90 @ Proshop)
CPU Cooler: *Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (€36.90 @ Jimm's)
Motherboard: *ASRock B650M Pro RS Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€141.90 @ Datatronic)
Memory: GOODRAM IRDM 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€116.90 @ Datatronic)
Storage: *TEAMGROUP MP44L 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€71.90 @ Datatronic)
Case: *Montech AIR 1000 PREMIUM ATX Mid Tower Case  (€74.90 @ Jimm's)
Power Supply: *Cooler Master MWE Gold V2 ATX3.0 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€103.90 @ Datatronic)
Monitor: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 24.5" 1920 x 1080 240 Hz Monitor  (€330.00)
Total: €1296.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-09-04 16:30 EEST+0300

 

• Almost all altered parts have multiple selection, where pcpp picks the cheapest

 

GOODRAM - slightly tigher timings from factory,

 

MB - not all same, but all in selection can handle CPUs stronger than 7800x3D

 

Storage - selection from cheap but reliable M.2 SSDs

 

Case - with case consider GPU length speed, though 340mm clearance can be more than enough for 95% of all GPUs that exist

 

PSU - can go with cheaper without losing quality, 100W less too, 750W PSU of good quality (with 7800x3D) can power up to: RTX 4080 (Super), RX 7900 XT (XTX if you stay on 7800x3D or lower power CPU), 6950 XT, RTX 3080

- all PSUs in my selection should be ATX 3.0 certified

 

I also altered the price of the monitor by abot 90€ less since you said that's how much it costs.

 

 

3 minutes ago, anirudthelinuxwIzard said:

Here's a extensively reworked build that I believe will be better for gaming: https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/list/.

copying from URL doesn't work, u gotta use the copier above list, or the options, BB code does the selection with clickable links on everything

[venomtail]

Just now, anirudthelinuxwIzard said:

for fps i thought va has better reponse times?

VA is terrible. Horrible for fast paced action games specifically.

 

A favorite video of mine to reference:

 

[DoctorNick]

1 minute ago, anirudthelinuxwIzard said:

for fps i thought va has better reponse times?

It has the worst of all, IPS and TN is faster and has lower input lag. 

[podkall]

Just now, venomtail said:

Bit confused, because you're sitting at 1660eur already and have included a monitor.

Personally I'd add 5eur and get wifi, means you also get bluetooth. I'd also get an NVME boot drive.

 

Please reconsider that monitor. I have it, and it was a new novel product in 2018~ to play at 240hz and that's when it was worth 500+ eur but not in 2024. IPS, OLED panels can do 240hz and the drawbacks of TN aren't worth it. Worst is colour shift at all angles. If I was to get a competitive monitor, I'd either get an IPS 240hz for 400eur or an OLED for 800eur. 600 for this is not it.

1660€?

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, anirudthelinuxwIzard said:

Here's a extensively reworked build that I believe will be better for gaming: https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/list/LncY4M

honestly pretty decent build since you add GPU, though as weird as it sounds, RTX 3060 is enough, and on another note 5700x3D can get matched by 7600 in performance,

 

 

7600 + RTX 3060 can already net you about 240fps in 1% low on everything low 1080p, now imagine that with 7800x3D:

 

 

[Why_Me]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *AMD Ryzen 5 7500F 3.7 GHz 6-Core OEM/Tray Processor  (€179.90 @ Proshop) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (€36.90 @ Jimm's) 
Motherboard: *MSI PRO B650-S WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€149.90 @ Jimm's) 
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€106.98 @ Proshop) 
Case: Montech AIR 903 BASE ATX Mid Tower Case  (€76.90 @ Datatronic) 
Power Supply: *Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€106.89 @ Proshop) 
Monitor: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 24.5" 1920 x 1080 240 Hz Monitor  (€423.84 @ Proshop) 
Total: €1081.31
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-09-04 16:45 EEST+0300

[venomtail]

5 minutes ago, podkall said:

1660€?

 

58 minutes ago, mychunguslife said:

Other details

https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/list/HnD2pB

Yea, when I click on his PC he wants to build it's coming up at 1660 eur. Maybe he forgot to mention the 600eur monitor? If so then yes, his build is under 1300eur.

[mychunguslife]

5 minutes ago, venomtail said:

Bit confused, because you're sitting at 1660eur already and have included a monitor.

Personally I'd add 5eur and get wifi, means you also get bluetooth. I'd also get an NVME boot drive.

 

Please reconsider that monitor. I have it, and it was a new novel product in 2018~ to play at 240hz and that's when it was worth 500+ eur but not in 2024. IPS, OLED panels can do 240hz and the drawbacks of TN aren't worth it. Worst is colour shift at all angles. If I was to get a competitive monitor, I'd either get an IPS 240hz for 400eur or an OLED for 800eur. 600 for this is not it.

On ppp it has the price at 1360e, but I'd get the monitor off of amazon.de for about 330e bringing the price down by like 100, I just cant select it with Finland chosen on PPP. I already have the gpu and storage from my current build so my purchases would come out at like 1270e. As for the monitor all I really care about is fps, response time and fps visibility which I believe the xl2546k to excel in? If there are better alternatives for cheaper I would happily look into that but the 1080p 240hz space just seems a bit dead.

[mychunguslife]

8 minutes ago, venomtail said:

Yea, when I click on his PC he wants to build it's coming up at 1660 eur. Maybe he forgot to mention the 600eur monitor? If so then yes, his build is under 1300eur.

it shows everything from jimms.fi for you, I'm planning on getting everything mostly from proshop and the monitor off amazon.de because we have some RLY wonky pricing on monitors domestically as you can see LOL

[venomtail]

6 minutes ago, mychunguslife said:

On ppp it has the price at 1360e, but I'd get the monitor off of amazon.de for about 330e bringing the price down by like 100, I just cant select it with Finland chosen on PPP. I already have the gpu and storage from my current build so my purchases would come out at like 1270e. As for the monitor all I really care about is fps, response time and fps visibility which I believe the xl2546k to excel in? If there are better alternatives for cheaper I would happily look into that but the 1080p 240hz space just seems a bit dead.

1080p 240hz is dead. Has been dead for a number of years with the exception of one company, BenQ's Zowie that has one line that eSports pro's buy and it's the 500hz 1080p TN panel. Rest is just backlogs not sold for years and slowly being drip-fed. 

 

If you're gonna be buying from Germany, 1440p 240hz 27'' IPS panels go for the same price. This TN panel is not worth it, coming from someone who has what you're considering buying. I am considering abandoning ship but I can't seem to save up for a 4k panel of my wishes for a while.

[podkall]

17 minutes ago, venomtail said:

Yea, when I click on his PC he wants to build it's coming up at 1660 eur. Maybe he forgot to mention the 600eur monitor? If so then yes, his build is under 1300eur.

your "this buyer only" for Finland is on:

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, venomtail said:

If you're gonna be buying from Germany, 1440p 240hz 27'' IPS panels go for the same price. This TN panel is not worth it, coming from someone who has what you're considering buying. I am considering abandoning ship but I can't seem to save up for a 4k panel of my wishes for a while.

what TN monitor do you have specifically?

[venomtail]

8 minutes ago, podkall said:

your "this buyer only" for Finland is on:

 

 

 

what TN monitor do you have specifically?

Good eyes. Completely forgot one dude wanted a whole PC only from that store, reset the merchant filters.

 

My footer of parts and PCPartPicker. Zowie XL2740. Was a pristine monitor for motion clarity when it came out and helped me hugely in Apex Legends and Mordhau but I don't think it's worth it, even for some average player. IPS has come a long way.

 

TLDR: 240hz is silky smooth, I can't go back. TN makes me realise every day how shit the colours are, brightness and picture quality is, always impacts the cinematic game I'm playing, YT video I'm watching or movie.

[podkall]

Just now, venomtail said:

Good eyes. Completely forgot one dude wanted a whole PC only from that store, reset the merchant filters.

 

My footer of parts and PCPartPicker. Zowie XL2740

been there done that, you select specific merchant for one part, pcpartpciker takes it for granted, and applies it on every part/future part, at least it only does for that specific location, though also easy to forget to revert

 

as for monitor, there could be better alternatives, we could look for that, but for what it's worth, your Zowie monitor seems to be older worse version than what they plan to buy, not by a lot, but on extremely competitive environment every millisecond counts,

 

your monitor @Max Hz + Recommended overdrive:

 

 

vs XL2546K they plan to buy:

 

 

 

There's a chance there might be better monitor in the budget though, but theirs would be different experience than yours, considering recommended Overdrive setting for their monitor is off and it has 2 options in store with most likely some error and overshoot.

[venomtail]

16 minutes ago, podkall said:

been there done that, you select specific merchant for one part, pcpartpciker takes it for granted, and applies it on every part/future part, at least it only does for that specific location, though also easy to forget to revert

 

as for monitor, there could be better alternatives, we could look for that, but for what it's worth, your Zowie monitor seems to be older worse version than what they plan to buy, not by a lot, but on extremely competitive environment every millisecond counts,

 

your monitor @Max Hz + Recommended overdrive:

 

 

vs XL2546K they plan to buy:

 

 

 

There's a chance there might be better monitor in the budget though, but theirs would be different experience than yours, considering recommended Overdrive setting for their monitor is off and it has 2 options in store with most likely some error and overshoot.

As someone who's not a machine and can't count milliseconds, this is still the most motion clear monitor I've used to date, yet to play on an OLED however, nor 360-500hz monitors. If there is a statistical improvements in the newer model, good, likely beyond me to really notice or take advantage off in the real world. If you're a hardcore competitive shooter player, you're the only customer that exists for such a product.

 

Just keeping in mind my experience and OP's wishes:

1 hour ago, mychunguslife said:

Valorant, Overwatch 2, occasional story game but competitive titles priority

there is still a significant impact of such a TN panel on slower, visually better, darker game experience. Sure it's not the main focus but still a factor. OP wants a monitor for the long run, who's to say his needs won't change and thus the requirements from the same hardware he's committed to?

 

I've switched to The Finals now, still am on CS2 and on a hiatus from Mordhau, my single player game experiences always leave me questioning what I saw as I am still somewhat struggling with games like Hellblade 2. It just can't display a beautiful picture without losing picture quality. It struggles with anything dark when looking straight on, and my 27'' is so big the corners already start fading in colour from being off axis.

This "not recommend" was also in reference to a monitor listing for me at near 700eur. A 300eur experiment is an easier thing to commit to.

 

Just if I was to do this again, I would only look at IPS panels for cheap, OLED or Full Array Dimming panel. Also I outgrew the competitiveness a bit simply because I'm no longer as good at the games as I used to be, so not winning makes me not want to play comp games anymore, enforcing my pivot to single player games and the hardware best for them even more.