first time builder AMD4 or AMD5?

[LoFoTV]

Budget: $1100 USD

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: (Programs) Premiere Pro, After Effects, Photoshop, (Games) Rocket League, CS, Forza/Horizon, some older modded PC titles (would like to be able to play more graphic intensive games comfortably if I find one that piques my interest)

 

Currently own: ASUS TUF Gaming 23.8" 1080p 165hz monitor, customized Keychron C2 keyboard

 

Parts lists:

Ryzen 5 7600x list

Ryzen 7 5800x list

 

For context: First time builder, coming from an old 2017 iMac (I know)

 

The PC build is for video editing and gaming. I'm primarily playing games like Rocket League, CS, and Forza, although I'd like to have the capability to play something more graphic intensive. Most of the gaming I do is on my Xbox One, and I'd like to transition that to my PC. I also don't do much 4k editing, mostly 1080p.

 

I currently have two parts lists that I'm debating here, most elements are the exact same across each list except for the CPU and MOBO. I'd like to be able to upgrade in the future, which draws me to the Ryzen 5 7600x platform, as it seems like AMD5 support will be continued for at least the next few years. On top of that, the costs nowadays are really similar to the 5800x platform, which (from my understanding) have come down quite a bit since they were first released.

 

As I type this post out, I'm realizing that I can't come up with any advantages the 5800x has over the 7600x. The 5800x has more cores than the 7600x, but it seems like the 7600x is utilizing those cores more efficiently (?). It could be the marketing gimmick that "the Ryzen 7 should be better than a Ryzen 5" that's holding me back. While I've watched my fair share of computer build videos, I don't have any personal experience with most of this, and I'm looking for some general guidance here.

 

Should I go with the cheaper, still effective AMD4 Ryzen 7 5800x, OR the newer, and more future proof AMD5 Ryzen 5 7600x? Is there anywhere on either list that I could save more money/use it more effectively?

 

Also less important, any suggestions for a decent mouse would be appreciated! 

 

Thank you in advance!

[TatamiMatt]

8 minutes ago, LoFoTV said:

Budget: $1100 USD

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: (Programs) Premiere Pro, After Effects, Photoshop, (Games) Rocket League, CS, Forza/Horizon, some older PC titles (would like to be able to play more graphic intensive games comfortably if I find one that piques my interest)

 

Currently own: ASUS TUF Gaming 23.8" 1080p 165hz monitor, customized Keychron C2 keyboard

 

Parts lists:

Ryzen 5 7600x list

Ryzen 7 5800x list

 

For context: First time builder, coming from an old 2017 iMac (I know)

 

The PC build is for video editing and gaming. I'm primarily playing games like Rocket League, CS, and Forza, although I'd like to have the capability to play something more graphic intensive. Most of the gaming I do is on my Xbox One, and I'd like to transition that to my PC. I also don't do much 4k editing, mostly 1080p.

 

I currently have two parts lists that I'm debating here, most elements are the exact same across each list except for the CPU and MOBO. I'd like to be able to upgrade in the future, which draws me to the Ryzen 5 7600x platform, as it seems like AMD5 support will be continued for at least the next few years. On top of that, the costs nowadays are really similar to the 5800x platform, which (from my understanding) have come down quite a bit since they were first released.

 

As I type this post out, I'm realizing that I can't come up with any advantages the 5800x has over the 7600x. The 5800x has more cores than the 7600x, but it seems like the 7600x is utilizing those cores more efficiently (?). It could be the marketing gimmick that "the Ryzen 7 should be better than a Ryzen 5" that's holding me back. While I've watched my fair share of computer build videos, I don't have any personal experience with most of this, and I'm looking for some general guidance here.

 

Should I go with the cheaper, still effective AMD4 Ryzen 7 5800x, OR the newer, and more future proof AMD5 Ryzen 5 7600x? Is there anywhere on either list that I could save more money/use it more effectively?

 

Also less important, any suggestions for a decent mouse would be appreciated! 

 

Thank you in advance!

 

This should be a little better performance

 

 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($182.16 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($35.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 EAGLE AX ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($149.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Silicon Power Value Gaming 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($87.97 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Silicon Power UD90 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($203.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: ASRock Challenger Pro OC Radeon RX 6750 XT 12 GB Video Card  ($299.97 @ Newegg) 
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 215 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($53.38 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1113.35
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-08-15 11:16 EDT-0400

 

 

[Dutch_Master]

Train of thought: if the AM4 platform offers you the performance you need for less money for the duration you expect, you can save the extra budget for the inevitable next upgrade (AM6, Intel 17th gen?). Otherwise, choose the AM5 platform so you have at least an upgrade path during the lifespan of the socket.

 

If you opt for AM4, consider upgrading the CPU to a 3D variant to keep your system relevant enough in the later stages of your gaming journey.

[GuiltySpark_]

28 minutes ago, LoFoTV said:

It could be the marketing gimmick that "the Ryzen 7 should be better than a Ryzen 5" that's holding me back.

I'm sensing a major misunderstanding here that should probably be cleared up. 

 

A Ryzen 5000 series 6-core part will be slower than a 5000 series Ryzen 7 8-core part in multicore workloads. They're using the same cores and the 8-core part simply has more of them. 

 

These two parts can be compared in this way because they're the same architecture and just have differing core counts. 

 

Ryzen 7000 is a totally new architecture and therefore you cannot make the same general assumptions. If you could, that would mean that a Ryzen 7 1700 from 2016/7 is faster than a Ryzen 5 9600x which obviously doesn't make sense. Core count and model segment (Ryzen 5/7/9) is really only useful within the same generation. 

 

There is more nuance to this but this should cover the basics. 

[podkall]

2 minutes ago, LoFoTV said:

As I type this post out, I'm realizing that I can't come up with any advantages the 5800x has over the 7600x. The 5800x has more cores than the 7600x, but it seems like the 7600x is utilizing those cores more efficiently (?)

yes, the generational improvement is quite substantial

 

 

 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($182.16 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: *ASRock B650M Pro RS Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: *Silicon Power Value Gaming 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($87.97 @ Amazon)
Storage: *TEAMGROUP MP44L 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($105.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: *XFX Speedster SWFT 309 Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card  ($279.99 @ Newegg Sellers)
Case: *Corsair 3000D RGB AIRFLOW ATX Mid Tower Case  ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: *MSI MAG A750BN PCIE5 750 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($69.98 @ Amazon)
Total: $936.07
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-08-15 11:20 EDT-0400

[podkall]

15 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

I'm sensing a major misunderstanding here that should probably be cleared up. 

 

A Ryzen 5000 series 6-core part will be slower than a 5000 series Ryzen 7 8-core part in multicore workloads. They're using the same cores and the 8-core part simply has more of them. 

 

These two parts can be compared in this way because they're the same architecture and just have differing core counts. 

 

Ryzen 7000 is a totally new architecture and therefore you cannot make the same general assumptions. If you could, that would mean that a Ryzen 7 1700 from 2016/7 is faster than a Ryzen 9600x which obviously doesn't make sense. Core count and model segment (Ryzen 5/7/9) is really only useful within the same generation. 

 

There is more nuance to this but this should cover the basics. 

and even then, one generation apart can mean nothing, or it can mean substantial increase,

 

like 3600 vs 5600

 

it's just one series apart on same socket, how much the difference could be?

 

sometimes you see this:

 

but sometimes it's more like this:

 

[venomtail]

22 minutes ago, podkall said:

yes, the generational improvement is quite substantial

 

 

 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($182.16 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: *ASRock B650M Pro RS Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: *Silicon Power Value Gaming 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($87.97 @ Amazon)
Storage: *TEAMGROUP MP44L 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($105.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: *XFX Speedster SWFT 309 Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card  ($279.99 @ Newegg Sellers)
Case: *Corsair 3000D RGB AIRFLOW ATX Mid Tower Case  ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: *MSI MAG A750BN PCIE5 750 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($69.98 @ Amazon)
Total: $936.07
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-08-15 11:20 EDT-0400

Winner in my eyes but the original 3000D and Pop Air XL will kind of look ugly. Pop Air XL is already huge for a EATX, ATX motherboards, mATX will look a bit stupid. I'd get a proportional mATX case at $50-$70.

[Agall]

47 minutes ago, LoFoTV said:

Budget: $1100 USD

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: (Programs) Premiere Pro, After Effects, Photoshop, (Games) Rocket League, CS, Forza/Horizon, some older modded PC titles (would like to be able to play more graphic intensive games comfortably if I find one that piques my interest)

 

Currently own: ASUS TUF Gaming 23.8" 1080p 165hz monitor, customized Keychron C2 keyboard

 

Parts lists:

Ryzen 5 7600x list

Ryzen 7 5800x list

 

For context: First time builder, coming from an old 2017 iMac (I know)

 

The PC build is for video editing and gaming. I'm primarily playing games like Rocket League, CS, and Forza, although I'd like to have the capability to play something more graphic intensive. Most of the gaming I do is on my Xbox One, and I'd like to transition that to my PC. I also don't do much 4k editing, mostly 1080p.

 

I currently have two parts lists that I'm debating here, most elements are the exact same across each list except for the CPU and MOBO. I'd like to be able to upgrade in the future, which draws me to the Ryzen 5 7600x platform, as it seems like AMD5 support will be continued for at least the next few years. On top of that, the costs nowadays are really similar to the 5800x platform, which (from my understanding) have come down quite a bit since they were first released.

 

As I type this post out, I'm realizing that I can't come up with any advantages the 5800x has over the 7600x. The 5800x has more cores than the 7600x, but it seems like the 7600x is utilizing those cores more efficiently (?). It could be the marketing gimmick that "the Ryzen 7 should be better than a Ryzen 5" that's holding me back. While I've watched my fair share of computer build videos, I don't have any personal experience with most of this, and I'm looking for some general guidance here.

 

Should I go with the cheaper, still effective AMD4 Ryzen 7 5800x, OR the newer, and more future proof AMD5 Ryzen 5 7600x? Is there anywhere on either list that I could save more money/use it more effectively?

 

Also less important, any suggestions for a decent mouse would be appreciated! 

 

Thank you in advance!

5700x3D unless you're planning to drop in upgrade, then go for the 7600x with the plan of upgrading to an AM5 3D v-cache CPU later.

 

3D v-cache isn't overhyped, it really is the best for gaming PCs, even if it involves buying into AM4 in 2024 with a $210 5700x3D.

[podkall]

3 hours ago, venomtail said:

Winner in my eyes but the original 3000D and Pop Air XL will kind of look ugly. Pop Air XL is already huge for a EATX, ATX motherboards, mATX will look a bit stupid. I'd get a proportional mATX case at $50-$70.

yeah I mean those are just examples, my favourite are Montech X3 Mesh, Montech 903 Max, 4000D, Lian-Li 216 and bigger 3 fan front Lian-Lis, NZXT cases, and select Phanteks cases