Bios Update

[PavanYK]

I have purchased the following CPU (AMD Ryzen 5 8500g) and will be pairing it with the Asrock B650M PG lightning Wifi .

 

My doubt is regarding the bios flashback. On the website and from what I can gather there are no intermediate bios's that I'm required to update to and that is what I wanted to check. So would I be able to directly update my bios to the latest version with bios flashback with no issues? I intend to use the most recent non-beta bersion.

https://pg.asrock.com/MB/AMD/B650M PG Lightning WiFi/#BIOS

 

I originally wrote the incorrect cpu it has since been changed.

Edited July 23, 2024 by PavanYK

[podkall]

5800G is an AM4 CPU,

 

B650(M) is an AM5 chipset,

 

the CPU is incompatible with this motherboard.

 

[monopoly_hater]

I’m assuming you mean the 8500G. No 5800G exists.

 

The answer is yes, you can.

 

The process is described in the PDF from ASRock, but the TLDR is:

 

Format the drive as FAT32

Extract the BIOS file

Rename the BIOS file as CREATIVE.ROM

Move the file to the drive

Plug in the 24 pin connector

Find the Flashback USB port

plug in the drive

press the flashback button

Wait until the LED stops blinking

turn on your computer, profit

 

 

EDIT: found the port for you: 

 

[monopoly_hater]

3 minutes ago, podkall said:

5800G is an AM4 CPU,

 

B650(M) is an AM5 chipset,

 

the CPU is incompatible with this motherboard.

 

The 5800G was never released. 
 

from the this same page

 

 

[podkall]

Just now, anirudthelinuxwIzard said:

The 5800G was never released. 

It could be a TRAY version, pulled out of pre-built or laptop.

[monopoly_hater]

1 minute ago, podkall said:

It could be a TRAY version, pulled out of pre-built or laptop.

Then how come I can’t find a single piece of info about this from AMD?

[podkall]

3 minutes ago, anirudthelinuxwIzard said:

Then how come I can’t find a single piece of info about this from AMD?

idk, perhaps it is typo,

 

I'm just following the given information,

 

and given the information, 5800G is AM4 socket, and B650M is an AM5 motherboard.

 

But sure,

 

16 minutes ago, PavanYK said:

I have purchased the following CPU (AMD Ryzen 5 5800g) and will be pairing it with the Asrock B650M PG lightning Wifi .

 

My doubt is regarding the bios flashback. On the website and from what I can gather there are no intermediate bios's that I'm required to update to and that is what I wanted to check. So would I be able to directly update my bios to the latest version with bios flashback with no issues? I intend to use the most recent non-beta bersion.

https://pg.asrock.com/MB/AMD/B650M PG Lightning WiFi/#BIOS

 

 

if the CPU's numbers are typed wrong,

 

and it is an AM5 CPU,

 

then 99% of AM5 CPUs are supported from the earliest BIOS versions,

 

since 8000 series, are essentially 7000 CPUs with better iGPU, more or less, not exactly of course.

 

With AM5 MB and CPU, there's 99% chance, it will boot with the CPU, but of course, BIOS flash doesn't care if the CPU is in or not, it will work regardless. (but isn't required if your PC can boot)

[monopoly_hater]

3 minutes ago, podkall said:

idk, perhaps it is typo,

 

I'm just following the given information,

 

and given the information, 5800G is AM4 socket, and B650M is an AM5 motherboard.

 

But sure,

 

if the CPU's numbers are typed wrong,

 

and it is an AM5 CPU,

 

then 99% of AM5 CPUs are supported from the earliest BIOS versions,

 

since 8000 series, are essentially 7000 CPUs with better iGPU, more or less, not exactly of course.

 

With AM5 MB and CPU, there's 99% chance, it will boot with the CPU, but of course, BIOS flash doesn't care if the CPU is in or not, it will work regardless. (but isn't required if your PC can boot)

For the first part, if a 5800G existed, it would not be a Ryzen 5.

 

for the second part, your probably right as ASRock never explicitly mentions it, but it never hurts to make your BIOS up to date.

 

 

[RONOTHAN##]

7 minutes ago, podkall said:

then 99% of AM5 CPUs are supported from the earliest BIOS versions,

 

since 8000 series, are essentially 7000 CPUs with better iGPU, more or less, not exactly of course.

The 8000 series CPUs are different enough from the main Ryzen 7000 series chips that they do need explicit BIOS support and therefore do actually need the BIOS update. It's not like the 7600 and 7500F where the only difference is a few MHz and the iGPU being fused off, they are entirely different pieces of silicon with entirely different memory controllers and core layouts. ASRock's CPU support page lists this pretty well, with th BIOS revisions where the CPUs will start to boot and the BIOS revision where they are fully optimized. 

 

They have been out for a fair bit of time now, so if the board is fairly popular it should hopefully come with a new enough BIOS, but it's fairly likely that you'll need to use BIOS flashback here and therefore you should probably brush up on how to use that. Just jump to the latest BIOS revision, there shouldn't be any intermediate BIOS revisions. 

 

7 minutes ago, podkall said:

idk, perhaps it is typo,

It says "Ryzen 5 5800G," so no matter what it's a typo. The more likely typo is just the 8500G. 

[podkall]

1 minute ago, RONOTHAN## said:

The 8000 series CPUs are different enough from the main Ryzen 7000 series chips that they do need explicit BIOS support and therefore do actually need the BIOS update. It's not like the 7600 and 7500F where the only difference is a few MHz and the iGPU being fused off, they are entirely different pieces of silicon with entirely different memory controllers and core layouts.

 

They have been out for a fair bit of time now, so if the board is fairly popular it should hopefully come with a new enough BIOS, but it's fairly likely that you'll need to use BIOS flashback here and therefore you should probably brush up on how to use that. Just jump to the latest BIOS revision, there shouldn't be any intermediate BIOS revisions. 

 

It says "Ryzen 5 5800G," so no matter what it's a typo. The more likely typo is just the 8500G. 

on bios page, mentions nothing about "added support for 8000 series", which is what usually tells you support start since X bios version

[monopoly_hater]

2 minutes ago, podkall said:

on bios page, mentions nothing about "added support for 8000 series", which is what usually tells you support start since X bios version

It does have some shit about “Disable STAPM of Phoenix”, so I suppose something earlier added Phoenix support.

[PavanYK]

Apologies for the confusion I meant the AMD Ryzen 5 8500G. 

[RONOTHAN##]

12 minutes ago, podkall said:

on bios page, mentions nothing about "added support for 8000 series", which is what usually tells you support start since X bios version

Last two columns are the important ones, they are validated BIOS and bootable BIOS respectively. 

 

ASRock's BIOS changelog usually isn't complete for new CPU support (what I suspect happened is it was added in a BETA BIOS that was then pulled from the site, and they just didn't bother to update the changelog), while their CPU support page is my personal favorite out of the motherboard manufacturers. 

[PavanYK]

Just now, RONOTHAN## said:

Last two columns are the important ones, they are validated BIOS and bootable BIOS respectively. 

 

ASRock's BIOS changelog usually isn't complete for new CPU support, while their CPU support page is my personal favorite out of the motherboard manufacturers. 

This is why I was slightly confused cause pc partpicked was like bios versions 2.02 or later req so I just wanted to the most recent version to cover my bases but before that I wanted to check that there weren't in intermediate/middle ground bios's i needed to install.

[RONOTHAN##]

1 minute ago, PavanYK said:

This is why I was slightly confused cause pc partpicked was like bios versions 2.02 or later req so I just wanted to the most recent version to cover my bases but before that I wanted to check that there weren't in intermediate/middle ground bios's i needed to install.

That's fine, jumping to the latest version is still a good idea. I might personally stick to one slightly before the latest as I have seen some odd behavior on the latest BIOS on other ASRock boards with the Phoenix APUs (B650M-HDV and 8600G), something like 2.08 is currently my preferred BIOS, but they should all work. There isn't any intermediate BIOSes, and you can always play with different revisions if you're curious. 

[podkall]

9 minutes ago, PavanYK said:

This is why I was slightly confused cause pc partpicked was like bios versions 2.02 or later req so I just wanted to the most recent version to cover my bases but before that I wanted to check that there weren't in intermediate/middle ground bios's i needed to install.

jumping to latest version is ok on AM5 motherboards,

 

since currently there aren't that many updates and CPU versions that support AM5 anyway,

 

unlike AM5, AM4 has 1000 2000 3000 4000 5000 series CPUs,

 

which is much more complicated, and on some cheaper AM4 motherboards requires specific order of BIOS updates.

[monopoly_hater]

Just now, podkall said:

jumping to latest version is ok on AM5 motherboards,

 

since currently there aren't that many updates and CPU versions that support AM5 anyway,

 

unlike AM4, AM4 has 1000 2000 3000 4000 5000 series CPUs,

 

which is much more complicated, and on some cheaper AM4 motherboards requires specific order of BIOS updates.

Suggestion: replace “unlike AM4”, with “unlike AM5”

[PavanYK]

9 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

That's fine, jumping to the latest version is still a good idea. I might personally stick to one slightly before the latest as I have seen some odd behavior on the latest BIOS on other ASRock boards with the Phoenix APUs (B650M-HDV and 8600G), something like 2.08 is currently my preferred BIOS, but they should all work. There isn't any intermediate BIOSes, and you can always play with different revisions if you're curious. 

i get what u meant, but the most recent bios is over 2 months old so hopefully most or any issues are sorted out. Either way I'll use the most recent or second most recent as both are non-beta releases and fairly old.