Building a new PC

[Hann-Roux]

Bugdet: Around 3000 € 

Country: Germany

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: This should be an all around workhorse. Mostly for gaming and some University work but nothing too impressiv. I am mainly planning to game on this Rig and don’t mind digging a little deep into my pockets for a smoother experience and longer living Rig. If that means spending more than 3000€ ill consider it. The mentioned budget is more of a ball park then a limit. When talking about gaming I would like to be able to play Games like Squad, War Thunder and Total War games. I understand that some of these Games fail certain requirements purely because they are badly optimized. Hopefully my requirements make sense, a nice looking, powerful but not overkill and lasting me a minimum of 5 years before the thought of upgrading even arises. I’d love it if you guys could help me with some component suggestions maybe even a Rig itself. Any Tips or examples for what im looking for are of course welcome. 

 

[Edited]:

1. Why are AMD CPU’s preferred over INTEL?

2.When I look at all the different GPU’s particularly GeForce (don’t know if that’s a brand or a series of GPU’s) what are all the different versions?

 

Thank you guys for your help in advance.

 

 

[filpo]

1 minute ago, Hann-Roux said:

Bugdet: Around 3000 € 

Country: Germany

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: This should be an all around workhorse. Mostly for gaming and some University work but nothing too impressiv. I am mainly planning to game on this Rig and don’t mind digging a little deep into my pockets for a smoother experience and longer living Rig. If that means spending more than 3000€ ill consider it. The mentioned budget is more of a ball park then a limit. When talking about gaming I would like to be able to play Games like Squad, War Thunder and Total War games. I understand that some of these Games fail certain requirements purely because they are badly optimized. Hopefully my requirements make sense, a nice looking, powerful but not overkill and lasting me a minimum of 5 years before the thought of upgrading even arises. I’d love it if you guys could help me with some component suggestions maybe even a Rig itself. Any Tips or examples for what im looking for are of course welcome. 

 

Thank you guys for your help in advance.

 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€357.99 @ Mindfactory) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (€36.49 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: *MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€159.00 @ Galaxus) 
Memory: *G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€122.90 @ Galaxus) 
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN580 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€119.90 @ Computeruniverse) 
Video Card: *ASRock Phantom Gaming OC Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card  (€967.97 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: Montech AIR 903 MAX ATX Mid Tower Case  (€81.89 @ Alternate) 
Power Supply: *Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 TT Premium 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€141.89 @ Alternate) 
Total: €1988.03
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
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you don't really need to spend 3000 euros unless you need more cores and an nvidia gpu

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D 4.2 GHz 16-Core Processor  (€607.99 @ Mindfactory) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III A-RGB 48.82 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€105.90 @ Alza) 
Motherboard: MSI X670E GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€248.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: *G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€122.90 @ Galaxus) 
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN580 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€119.90 @ Computeruniverse) 
Video Card: Gigabyte WINDFORCE V2 GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER 16 GB Video Card  (€1058.97 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: Montech AIR 903 MAX ATX Mid Tower Case  (€81.89 @ Alternate) 
Power Supply: *Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 TT Premium 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€141.89 @ Alternate) 
Total: €2487.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-29 13:47 CEST+0200

[Motifator]

I'm in for these builds save for the SSD, cause the budget is so high yet we going with a cookie cutter level 4.0 SSD. I'm not saying it's a bad drive, but why not pick a proper Phison E18? Like the Kingston if you don't want a heatsink, or the MSI Spatium's. Not a lot more expensive, but got cache + higher 4k speeds. Significantly.

As a side note, I'm unsure about the €1000 GPUs as well... is that shit even all that necessary? Might cut it down a little bit there as well... same probably goes for the CPU on the second build as well. Mind the wording "nothing too impressive" on the OP's og post.

[Hann-Roux]

3 minutes ago, Motifator said:

I'm in for these builds save for the SSD, cause the budget is so high yet we going with a cookie cutter level 4.0 SSD. I'm not saying it's a bad drive, but why not pick a proper Phison E18? Like the Kingston if you don't want a heatsink, or the MSI Spatium's. Not a lot more expensive, but got cache + higher 4k speeds. Significantly.

As a side note, I'm unsure about the €1000 GPUs as well... is that shit even all that necessary? Might cut it down a little bit there as well... same probably goes for the CPU on the second build as well. Mind the wording "nothing too impressive" on the OP's og post.

Thanks for the Reply. I get what you mean with the “nothing too impressive” but I probably could word that better. With that I more mean Im not looking to build the most impressive Rig money can buy and more I don’t mind spending on high end components and that “saving money” isn’t really supposed to be the priority when picking Parts.

[Why_Me]

https://geizhals.eu/   <--- check this site for lower prices.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€357.99 @ Mindfactory) 
CPU Cooler: *Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (€38.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: *MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€199.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: *G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€122.90 @ Galaxus) 
Storage: *Lexar NM790 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€137.89 @ notebooksbilliger.de) 
Video Card: *Gigabyte WINDFORCE V2 GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER 16 GB Video Card  (€1058.97 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: *Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€100.19 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Power Supply: *Corsair RM1000e (2023) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€148.89 @ notebooksbilliger.de) 
Operating System: *Microsoft Windows 11 Home Retail - Download 64-bit  (€91.21 @ Computersalg) 
Monitor: *Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQML1A 27.0" 2560 x 1440 260 Hz Monitor  (€419.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €2676.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-29 14:03 CEST+0200

[8tg]

1 hour ago, Hann-Roux said:

1. Why are AMD CPU’s preferred over INTEL?

They aren’t generally, it depends on the platform requirements of the user, general performance tier, and economical factors. You see more AMD because currently AMD has the better current gen midrange options, which are the majority of builds. Previously it was the i5 12400F so you saw a lot more intel. It goes back and forth in different categories all the time.

1 hour ago, Hann-Roux said:

2.When I look at all the different GPU’s particularly GeForce (don’t know if that’s a brand or a series of GPU’s) what are all the different versions?

GeForce GTX or RTX is just the consumer video card branding name for Nvidia GPUs. 
They are named sequentially, larger numbers are more powerful cards. Usually it’s generation for 3 or 4 digits, and then model tiers upwards for the last 2 digits. Like RTX 4000 series starting with a 4060, then there’s the more powerful 4070’s and 4080’s, then the most powerful 4090.

For 3 digit generations it was like the 700 series, starting with a display adapter GT 710, an entry level GTX 750, and the high end GTX 780, and a bunch of models in between.

 

The different brand names and cooler designs are AIB partner cards. Nvidia doesn’t make all the complete cards, they make the actual processor, and other companies make them into video cards. So you see brands like Gigabyte, PNY, MSI, Asus, and so on making the gpus.

All of those details apply to AMD and Intel as well. Sequential model names with a generational name, AIB partners make the cards.

Even the reference cards, the cards that hold no brand name, are made by AIBs. Like nvidia reference cards are made by PNY, PC Partner makes AMD reference cards, Foxxcon makes Intel reference cards.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

1 hour ago, filpo said:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€357.99 @ Mindfactory) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (€36.49 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: *MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€159.00 @ Galaxus) 
Memory: *G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€122.90 @ Galaxus) 
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN580 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€119.90 @ Computeruniverse) 
Video Card: *ASRock Phantom Gaming OC Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card  (€967.97 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: Montech AIR 903 MAX ATX Mid Tower Case  (€81.89 @ Alternate) 
Power Supply: *Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 TT Premium 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€141.89 @ Alternate) 
Total: €1988.03
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-29 13:46 CEST+0200

 

you don't really need to spend 3000 euros unless you need more cores and an nvidia gpu

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D 4.2 GHz 16-Core Processor  (€607.99 @ Mindfactory) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III A-RGB 48.82 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€105.90 @ Alza) 
Motherboard: MSI X670E GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€248.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: *G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€122.90 @ Galaxus) 
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN580 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€119.90 @ Computeruniverse) 
Video Card: Gigabyte WINDFORCE V2 GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER 16 GB Video Card  (€1058.97 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: Montech AIR 903 MAX ATX Mid Tower Case  (€81.89 @ Alternate) 
Power Supply: *Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 TT Premium 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€141.89 @ Alternate) 
Total: €2487.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-29 13:47 CEST+0200

^^^

pretty much what id do just some stuff id tweak

 

ssd id get an mp600 as its 10€ more whilst being a significantly faster ssd or just cut 10€ and get a cheaper dram gen 3 like the exceria g2 at 110€

 

the 1200w version of the gf a3 is better value as its 15€ extra for 200w

 

otherwise these are perfect

 

 

though i am curious about the x670e gaming plus wifi as it stikes me as kind of an odd board choice, it is the cheapest x670e and it does look to be pretty i/o rich though

[Dedayog]

2 hours ago, Motifator said:

I'm in for these builds save for the SSD, cause the budget is so high yet we going with a cookie cutter level 4.0 SSD. I'm not saying it's a bad drive, but why not pick a proper Phison E18? Like the Kingston if you don't want a heatsink, or the MSI Spatium's. Not a lot more expensive, but got cache + higher 4k speeds. Significantly.

As a side note, I'm unsure about the €1000 GPUs as well... is that shit even all that necessary? Might cut it down a little bit there as well... same probably goes for the CPU on the second build as well. Mind the wording "nothing too impressive" on the OP's og post.

What do these paper 4K speeds get us for gaming?

 

No one throws out 3000 Euro and expects nothing too impressive.  He would have said 1000-1500 then.  He wants near top end performance, or ask him if mid range is where a Uni student with 3k to drop wants to be.

 

[BentleyOwen123]

in a 3000 budget, you could just go 4090 and 7800x3d, the best of the best, but that doesn't seem to be what you want or need>if you needed a 4090 you would know< i would look back on your budget, and see if you can get everything you want and need+ easily 5 years of performance for 2000, maybe even 1500, then do it, there's no use in spending money on hugely expensive parts if your not going to make use of them.

[Motifator]

28 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

What do these paper 4K speeds get us for gaming?

 

No one throws out 3000 Euro and expects nothing too impressive.  He would have said 1000-1500 then.  He wants near top end performance, or ask him if mid range is where a Uni student with 3k to drop wants to be.

 

Yeah uh, look above where another user threw out a MP600 (which is a vastly superior SSD), for a mere IDK €15 more or whatever?

You're talking about blowing €3000 on a PC and getting the cookie cutter 4.0 SSD, so yeah... big meh.

Sure, cheaper SSDs are also OK... but at this rate I'd personally get a ballsy SSD. As for spending €3000, I'm not sure how much of it is required in this particular case. IDK what games they're going to play and at what resolution... so I'm not going to just go out and say SPEND 3000 EUROS IT GUNNA GIVE YA GUD PEREFORMANCE.

[8tg]

2 minutes ago, Motifator said:

Yeah uh, look above where another user threw out a MP600 (which is a vastly superior SSD), for a mere IDK €15 more or whatever?

Sometimes it’s genuinely mind blowing how far people get into the value first mentality. OP states they will spend €3000 and are willing to go over if the extra cost is worthwhile. And then the builds recommended are below that budget with a bunch of compromise choices made to save money.

 

Like if you go over here, you can get a decent 14900K + 4090 setup

 

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/z8D7bL

And that will play anything out today with zero compromises.

And you can drop the cost a lot by going with a 7950x3d and 7900xtx but then you might as well ball out on the platform then with a high budget left over, 64gb of ram, a power supply that will last you 20 years, etc 

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/C7t9HG
 

 

[BahnStormer]

5 hours ago, filpo said:

5 hours ago, Hann-Roux said:

Bugdet: Around 3000 € 

Country: Germany

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: This should be an all around workhorse. Mostly for gaming and some University work but nothing too impressiv. I am mainly planning to game on this Rig and don’t mind digging a little deep into my pockets for a smoother experience and longer living Rig. If that means spending more than 3000€ ill consider it. The mentioned budget is more of a ball park then a limit. When talking about gaming I would like to be able to play Games like Squad, War Thunder and Total War games. I understand that some of these Games fail certain requirements purely because they are badly optimized. Hopefully my requirements make sense, a nice looking, powerful but not overkill and lasting me a minimum of 5 years before the thought of upgrading even arises. I’d love it if you guys could help me with some component suggestions maybe even a Rig itself. Any Tips or examples for what im looking for are of course welcome. 

 

Thank you guys for your help in advance.

 

 

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PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€357.99 @ Mindfactory) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (€36.49 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: *MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€159.00 @ Galaxus) 
Memory: *G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€122.90 @ Galaxus) 
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN580 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€119.90 @ Computeruniverse) 
Video Card: *ASRock Phantom Gaming OC Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card  (€967.97 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: Montech AIR 903 MAX ATX Mid Tower Case  (€81.89 @ Alternate) 
Power Supply: *Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 TT Premium 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€141.89 @ Alternate) 
Total: €1988.03

 

I'm liking Filpo's suggestion a lot.

 

Only question would be around the university work - only concern would be if you need CUDA cores for LLM / CAD, etc.... in which case RTX4080S might be more appropriate.

 

Plus at that budget, I might go for a mid-range AOI like a ArctixFreezerIII 280mmm (to separate the CPU and GPU head-sources) and a slightly more "slick" case.

Unless you need the CPU cores (CPU video rendering), I'd avoid the Ryzen 9's.... you get all the gaming performance you could need from a 7800X3D, the extra complexity comes with extra heat and overheads that make it less of a gaming CPU.

[BahnStormer]

On 4/29/2024 at 12:44 PM, Hann-Roux said:

Why are AMD CPU’s preferred over INTEL?

Because in most gaming scenarios, you can get better gaming performance out of a 7800X3D than a 14900KS that costs twice as much.

 

Plus the ~200W €375 will run on a small AIO or air cooling and a mid-range motherboard (AsRock B650 Rs Pro) with DDR5 6000 CL30 memory.

 

The 13900K-14900KS will run at 400W, spikes of 450W and you'll need to put that on a top spec Z790 board (double the price) and very high frequency DDR5 to stay close.... plus the i9's are now showing severe silicon degradation and the motherboard manufacturers are getting rid of the longer boost times and higher power limits to stop them dying, so expect those to run between 5% and 15% slower.... plus you'll need a 420mm AIO or custom water loop to stop it being thermally limited after a few seconds.

 

The only way that a 14900KS stays close to a 7800X3D in gaming without boiling itself is if you disable the efficiency cores and disable hyperthreading.... at which point you have a very expensive 8 core, 8 thread gaming only CPU until you switch profiles and reboot.