RX 6800 too low 2D/IDLE clock causing stuttering.

[xKempo]

Hello.

I have a problem with Radeon RX 6800, the clock is too low when idle or using browser or any other low graphics demanding software. It is causing stuttering, when typing text in almost every application that does not use full potential of the GPU. This is very sutble, but when you type fast as i do - you just feel that something invisible is stopping you from typing smoothly, this is very annoying and it is a big problem for me, because 90% of my work is typing text on my computer, and i need to do it fast.

My question is: Is there any option to boost idle clock to fixed value?

Tried searching in google, found nothing that could help. On nVidia card i could just check high performance and everything was ok.
It is for 99% associated with GPU clock - when i see that clocks are higher for a moment for some reason - stuttering dissapear.

Graphics clock is anywhere from 22-100Mhz
Memory - 50-200Mhz

Turned off all power saving stuff, on CPU, in GPU setting, on my OS. Tried boosting clock with Adrenaline, but that doesn't solve low idle clock.

No problems when playing games, no problems at all when doing anything when GPU is utilsed in more demanding way.

I was thinking that could be my OC of CPU, but no, turned everything off, still the same. Temps are good (no more than 60C), RAM is stable (tested with memtest).

Cannot provide any video,  cause you will not see it - you just feel that little stutter when typing fast.

My specs:
MOBO: Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming 3 (BIOS f50d)
CPU: Ryzen 5 3400G
RAM: 16GB@3000Mhz
GPU: XFX RX 6800 16GB
PSU: OCZ StealthXStream 600W
OS: Windows 10 Pro x64

[191x7]

You can try disabling the GPU Ultra Low Power State ULPS (by using a regedit or MSI Afterburner) and the MultiPlane Overlay MPO.

But I doubt the issue is caused by a low GPU clock, it would be a first. No matter the clocks, the GPU refreshes the image, and the monitor refreshes by the refresh rate.

 

Are you sure it's not a USB device issue? Latest chipset drivers installed?

[xKempo]

3 hours ago, 191x7 said:

You can try disabling the GPU Ultra Low Power State ULPS (by using a regedit or MSI Afterburner) and the MultiPlane Overlay MPO.

But I doubt the issue is caused by a low GPU clock, it would be a first. No matter the clocks, the GPU refreshes the image, and the monitor refreshes by the refresh rate.

 

Are you sure it's not a USB device issue? Latest chipset drivers installed?

Thank you!!!!!

Stuttering is almost gone. Fixed my stuttering when working in my VM in VMWare Workstation Pro too - now i can move windows and there is almost no stutter, typing is also better.

Updated bios to F52 (latest) - nothing, caused more problems - CPU boost was not working, got only 3,9Ghz. Found on reddit someone with exactly the same CPU but different mobo that said new AGESA 1.2.0.7 is causing problems, because of security updates. Downgraded to F51d (one version higher than i had, CPU boost is now working correctly).

I had latest chipset driver, but i tried reinstalling it - nothing.

Disabled ULPS in registry - nothing.
Disabled also MPO - SUCCESS.

Still getting little stutter, but it's like 70% gone, what else can i do? Maybe the word "latency" can describe it better - when typing a lot of text and looking at the screen, you feel like its not realtime, it's a little bit off but you can clearly feel it still.

Also, i found that stuttering is worst when typing text on websites where you have a dedicated place to make comment/give an answer, don't know how to name it correctly, like when i am answering this topic.

When i type one letter, there is almost no latency, when typing more text and faster, it's worse.

[191x7]

2 hours ago, xKempo said:

Thank you!!!!!

Stuttering is almost gone. Fixed my stuttering when working in my VM in VMWare Workstation Pro too - now i can move windows and there is almost no stutter, typing is also better.

Updated bios to F52 (latest) - nothing, caused more problems - CPU boost was not working, got only 3,9Ghz. Found on reddit someone with exactly the same CPU but different mobo that said new AGESA 1.2.0.7 is causing problems, because of security updates. Downgraded to F51d (one version higher than i had, CPU boost is now working correctly).

I had latest chipset driver, but i tried reinstalling it - nothing.

Disabled ULPS in registry - nothing.
Disabled also MPO - SUCCESS.

Still getting little stutter, but it's like 70% gone, what else can i do? Maybe the word "latency" can describe it better - when typing a lot of text and looking at the screen, you feel like its not realtime, it's a little bit off but you can clearly feel it still.

Also, i found that stuttering is worst when typing text on websites where you have a dedicated place to make comment/give an answer, don't know how to name it correctly, like when i am answering this topic.

When i type one letter, there is almost no latency, when typing more text and faster, it's worse.

You can try disabling hardware acceleration in your browser.

 

The chipset drivers, do you download those from AMD or the board manufacturer? Use the ones from AMD.

 

Are you using a high-refresh monitor? Is your refresh rate set to the max your monitor supports?

 

Adjusted the delays in the Keyoard settings in the Control Panel?

 

Agesa 1207 is the first agesa that properly fixes the USB stutters and some other issues. You should aim to use the latest Bios.

 

Since you're on a Zen+ architecture I would recommend setting XMP (DOCP) on and then lowering the RAM frequency from 3000 to 2933 or 2666.

But, more than that, you should aim to upgrade your CPU, the 3400G is a huge bottleneck to a 6800XT, and CPU-s like a 5700X or 5700X3D aren't that expensive.

[xKempo]

 

2 hours ago, 191x7 said:

You can try disabling hardware acceleration in your browser.

 

The chipset drivers, do you download those from AMD or the board manufacturer? Use the ones from AMD.

 

Are you using a high-refresh monitor? Is your refresh rate set to the max your monitor supports?

 

Adjusted the delays in the Keyoard settings in the Control Panel?

 

Agesa 1207 is the first agesa that properly fixes the USB stutters and some other issues. You should aim to use the latest Bios.

 

Since you're on a Zen+ architecture I would recommend setting XMP (DOCP) on and then lowering the RAM frequency from 3000 to 2933 or 2666.

But, more than that, you should aim to upgrade your CPU, the 3400G is a huge bottleneck to a 6800XT, and CPU-s like a 5700X or 5700X3D aren't that expensive.

Hardware acceleration - nothing changes.
 

I downloaded chipset drivers from gigabyte website - i thought they were latest - [5.11.02.217] release date 2024-01-03, but it looks like amd has [6.02.07.2300] from 3/13/2024. Updated them but nothing changed.
 

1 monitor - 1920x1080@60Hz - DisplayPort
2 monitor - 1280x1024@60Hz - DisplayPort
TV - 1920x1080@60Hz - HDMI

Tried to adjust these keyboard settings - nothing is changing. Also tried another keyboard and changing USB ports.

Will try again to update bios to F52 and look a little bit more if it is changing anything for better, i could sacrifice these Mhz for stability, it it would really help.

Why should i lower RAM Frequency to 2933Mhz or 2666Mhz? Why does it matter? Of course i will try that, but for now i need to go to sleep, tomorrow will try that and see the results.

What i also found:
- When typing in adddress bar after opening new tab in browser - stuttering is almost not visible, but after few words written you can feel it.
- When typing in address bar after opening some website like reddit or this forum - stuttering is worse, after a while you can feel it more
- When typing in adddress bar after opening new tab in browser and the window is for ex. 1280x720 - stutter is almost gone, raises a little bit with time.
- When typing in address bar after opening some website like reddit or this forum in browser and the windows is 1280x720 - stutter is almost gone, raises a little bit with time.

I found out that the same behaviour is on my VM, but...

When i am experiencing this latency on my PC and navigate to my VM and use browser here - stuttering dissapears, also, i feel that typing in VM is almost perfect, but only for a moment, like in examples above.

Found out also that when this latency occurs - i can move my browser window or change window for another browser on second screen - stuttering is gone for next few words, then again it starts.

That's why i feel this is some GPU problem - i feel like GPU is starting to feel lazy, when focused too long on one window, that is not utilizing too much of its power.

There is no difference between 2 or 1 monitors, however sometimes i feel when TV is active - doesn't matter if it is just displaying wallpaper, stutter is worse on the first monitor - but when navigating to my VM on second monitor - there is no visible stutter in VM (of course for a moment, then it raises again). After focusing on window with VM gpu is getting its boost for a while (?)

When having 3 monitors and for example playing youtube on it or just displaying blank browser page, it looks like this:
- no stutter on 1st monitor, then stutter after a while, or just stutter
- biggest stutter when typing on TV that is displaying youtube or blank page (3rd monitor), or no stutter then stuttering is raising.
- almost no stutter on 2rd monitor with VM or browser (but only for a while after focusing on it, then it raises) - this monitor is also the smallest.

That just feel really weird, my PC is not under any load, doesn't matter if i watch youtube at 4k or do nothing at all - stutter occurs in almost every scenario.

Changing browser to windowed mode and lower resoluton in every scenario lessen the stutter, changing focus to 2nd monitor with VM that is in 1280x1024 also causes to lessen the stutter - and browser works better in VM also when lowered resolution, than at fullscreen.

Sometimes also i feel like it is random, no matter what i do, but all what i described above also occurs.

Tried changing buffer size of my DAC - Focusrite Solo 3gen and unplugging it entirely - nothing changes.

Downloaded latencymon - now running for 15 minutes, and nothing that could bring any suspicions - it was showing problem with LAN driver, which i updated, now everything is green, will attach screenshots below.

As you can see on these screenshots, there is really no problem with latency itself - got one big execution time for dxgkrnl.sys, but it is just one or two spikes in these 15 minutes.

Sorry for a lot of text, i am really trying not to be chaotic and express what i encounter. I think that it is really not a problem with CPU/RAM or USB latency, but some bug with displaying input correctly - i am trying to give as much info as i can, it's really hard to translate what i feel into text.

When finishing writing this post - 38 minutes in Latencymon and still results are same as below.

 

[191x7]

4 hours ago, xKempo said:

 

Hardware acceleration - nothing changes.
 

I downloaded chipset drivers from gigabyte website - i thought they were latest - [5.11.02.217] release date 2024-01-03, but it looks like amd has [6.02.07.2300] from 3/13/2024. Updated them but nothing changed.
 

1 monitor - 1920x1080@60Hz - DisplayPort
2 monitor - 1280x1024@60Hz - DisplayPort
TV - 1920x1080@60Hz - HDMI

Tried to adjust these keyboard settings - nothing is changing. Also tried another keyboard and changing USB ports.

Will try again to update bios to F52 and look a little bit more if it is changing anything for better, i could sacrifice these Mhz for stability, it it would really help.

Why should i lower RAM Frequency to 2933Mhz or 2666Mhz? Why does it matter? Of course i will try that, but for now i need to go to sleep, tomorrow will try that and see the results.

What i also found:
- When typing in adddress bar after opening new tab in browser - stuttering is almost not visible, but after few words written you can feel it.
- When typing in address bar after opening some website like reddit or this forum - stuttering is worse, after a while you can feel it more
- When typing in adddress bar after opening new tab in browser and the window is for ex. 1280x720 - stutter is almost gone, raises a little bit with time.
- When typing in address bar after opening some website like reddit or this forum in browser and the windows is 1280x720 - stutter is almost gone, raises a little bit with time.

I found out that the same behaviour is on my VM, but...

When i am experiencing this latency on my PC and navigate to my VM and use browser here - stuttering dissapears, also, i feel that typing in VM is almost perfect, but only for a moment, like in examples above.

Found out also that when this latency occurs - i can move my browser window or change window for another browser on second screen - stuttering is gone for next few words, then again it starts.

That's why i feel this is some GPU problem - i feel like GPU is starting to feel lazy, when focused too long on one window, that is not utilizing too much of its power.

There is no difference between 2 or 1 monitors, however sometimes i feel when TV is active - doesn't matter if it is just displaying wallpaper, stutter is worse on the first monitor - but when navigating to my VM on second monitor - there is no visible stutter in VM (of course for a moment, then it raises again). After focusing on window with VM gpu is getting its boost for a while (?)

When having 3 monitors and for example playing youtube on it or just displaying blank browser page, it looks like this:
- no stutter on 1st monitor, then stutter after a while, or just stutter
- biggest stutter when typing on TV that is displaying youtube or blank page (3rd monitor), or no stutter then stuttering is raising.
- almost no stutter on 2rd monitor with VM or browser (but only for a while after focusing on it, then it raises) - this monitor is also the smallest.

That just feel really weird, my PC is not under any load, doesn't matter if i watch youtube at 4k or do nothing at all - stutter occurs in almost every scenario.

Changing browser to windowed mode and lower resoluton in every scenario lessen the stutter, changing focus to 2nd monitor with VM that is in 1280x1024 also causes to lessen the stutter - and browser works better in VM also when lowered resolution, than at fullscreen.

Sometimes also i feel like it is random, no matter what i do, but all what i described above also occurs.

Tried changing buffer size of my DAC - Focusrite Solo 3gen and unplugging it entirely - nothing changes.

Downloaded latencymon - now running for 15 minutes, and nothing that could bring any suspicions - it was showing problem with LAN driver, which i updated, now everything is green, will attach screenshots below.

As you can see on these screenshots, there is really no problem with latency itself - got one big execution time for dxgkrnl.sys, but it is just one or two spikes in these 15 minutes.

Sorry for a lot of text, i am really trying not to be chaotic and express what i encounter. I think that it is really not a problem with CPU/RAM or USB latency, but some bug with displaying input correctly - i am trying to give as much info as i can, it's really hard to translate what i feel into text.

When finishing writing this post - 38 minutes in Latencymon and still results are same as below.

 

Might be a long shot but...

Have you installed the drivers for your monitors?

Are your GPU drivers up to date?

Checked the other drivers with something like Iobit Driver Booster? 

 

I mentioned the RAM frequency because of the RAM clocks the Zen+ architecture supports. 

 

I was going to recommend Latencymon but you already beat me to it.

 

Does the same happen when one of the displays is connected to the motherboard (using the GPU integrated in the CPU)? Do you have the APU drivers installed too?

[xKempo]

On 4/13/2024 at 10:28 AM, 191x7 said:

Might be a long shot but...

Have you installed the drivers for your monitors?

Are your GPU drivers up to date?

Checked the other drivers with something like Iobit Driver Booster? 

 

I mentioned the RAM frequency because of the RAM clocks the Zen+ architecture supports. 

 

I was going to recommend Latencymon but you already beat me to it.

 

Does the same happen when one of the displays is connected to the motherboard (using the GPU integrated in the CPU)? Do you have the APU drivers installed too?

I found what was causing problem - overclocking GPU via Adrenaline was causing this instability, turns out my platform doesn't like it for some reason. I thought that i tested with this setting off, but found out that it was always on. Now i got lagging only when using VM - but i see that it is about CPU utilisation, so i want to upgrade to Ryzen 9 5900X.

I made a new topic about upgrading, maybe you can also look here and tell me what you think.

[191x7]

5 hours ago, xKempo said:

I found what was causing problem - overclocking GPU via Adrenaline was causing this instability, turns out my platform doesn't like it for some reason. I thought that i tested with this setting off, but found out that it was always on. Now i got lagging only when using VM - but i see that it is about CPU utilisation, so i want to upgrade to Ryzen 9 5900X.

I made a new topic about upgrading, maybe you can also look here and tell me what you think.

I would not upgrade to a Ryzen 5900X, not on that X370 board with weak VRM-s. It's the warmest and most power-hungry AM4 CPU.

In your place, I would either swap to a 5700X, a 5700X3D/5800X3D, or upgrade to a completely new platform.

The 5900X is, at this time, a failed purchase since the 5950X is stronger for work while the 5700X, 5800X, 5700X3D and 5800X3D are way better for gaming and such tasks.

 

With a 5700X you get double the cores of a 3400G, the cores are a lot stronger and it supports faster RAM. It's a huge upgrade.