Thoughts about Intel GPUs?

[Omar Ibrahim Atta]

Intel GPUs may be competing with some Nvidia GPUs. When building a new PC, should I consider Intel GPUs now, or take an AMD GPU or should I wait for the next Gen of Intel GPUs

[Electronics Wizardy]

What budget are you looking at for a GPU? Intel GPUs can make sense if there prices make sense.

[Agall]

10 minutes ago, Omar Ibrahim Atta said:

Intel GPUs may be competing with some Nvidia GPUs. When building a new PC, should I consider Intel GPUs now, or take an AMD GPU or should I wait for the next Gen of Intel GPUs

Intel GPUs can be really good value with the right sales, although, they're not for an inexperienced user. If you play AAA games on release, I wouldn't go Intel Arc.

 

The other two options are depending on your budget. There's a lot of options on the market now so its too much to go into depth into without a general price range on. If you had to choose one, $250-$350 being still the goldilocks range.

[Omar Ibrahim Atta]

10 hours ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

What budget are you looking at for a GPU? Intel GPUs can make sense if there prices make sense.

250-350 USD

[Columbo]

Before Intel entered the GPU market, people said AMD GPU's are not good. Now with Nvidia, AMD and Intel in the GPU space, everybody has forgot about what many said or believed about AMD GPU's. The defacto GPU was always Nvidia and nobody considered AMD GPU's. Their drivers are bad or their performance is nowhere close to Nvidia. Basically AMD always fixes their drivers, it just takes them a year or two. 

 

I have personal experience with the Intel ARC A750. They are updating their drivers like mad. If you have a single monitor, you should be ok. Multi monitor setups become a bit frustrating. They are not supported for OCing with MSI afterburner yet. They have GDDR6 and I am certain being able to OC the memory would yield 10-15% better performance. The ARC interface looks great but the functions and features do not all work. 

 

If you can get a new ARC A750 for $180, I would say go for it. I think having a backup GPU would be a good idea. Intel is spending a lot of time and effort updating the drivers almost weekly. By the time Battlemage is released, people will be questioning AMD GPU's. By that I mean AMD puts very little effort in trying to compete with Nvidia. Nvidia updates their drivers weekly or bi-weekly. I will say the Nvidia updates for the most part are worthless but updating your Nvidia drivers every 3-6 months provides some useful improvements. 

 

The AMD GPU's I like are the 6800XT and 7800XT. Any lower than that the 6650XT that did hit $209 a few months ago. The 4070 is the only Nvidia GPU for the mid range that is worth considering. 

[Omar Ibrahim Atta]

On 1/11/2024 at 2:43 PM, Columbo said:

Before Intel entered the GPU market, people said AMD GPU's are not good. Now with Nvidia, AMD and Intel in the GPU space, everybody has forgot about what many said or believed about AMD GPU's. The defacto GPU was always Nvidia and nobody considered AMD GPU's. Their drivers are bad or their performance is nowhere close to Nvidia. Basically AMD always fixes their drivers, it just takes them a year or two. 

 

I have personal experience with the Intel ARC A750. They are updating their drivers like mad. If you have a single monitor, you should be ok. Multi monitor setups become a bit frustrating. They are not supported for OCing with MSI afterburner yet. They have GDDR6 and I am certain being able to OC the memory would yield 10-15% better performance. The ARC interface looks great but the functions and features do not all work. 

 

If you can get a new ARC A750 for $180, I would say go for it. I think having a backup GPU would be a good idea. Intel is spending a lot of time and effort updating the drivers almost weekly. By the time Battlemage is released, people will be questioning AMD GPU's. By that I mean AMD puts very little effort in trying to compete with Nvidia. Nvidia updates their drivers weekly or bi-weekly. I will say the Nvidia updates for the most part are worthless but updating your Nvidia drivers every 3-6 months provides some useful improvements. 

 

The AMD GPU's I like are the 6800XT and 7800XT. Any lower than that the 6650XT that did hit $209 a few months ago. The 4070 is the only Nvidia GPU for the mid range that is worth considering. 

So waiting for battlemage will be better than buying an AMD GPU now?

[Bagzie]

On 1/11/2024 at 11:43 AM, Columbo said:

Before Intel entered the GPU market, people said AMD GPU's are not good. Now with Nvidia, AMD and Intel in the GPU space, everybody has8 forgot about what many said or believed about AMD GPU's. The defacto GPU was always Nvidia and nobody considered AMD GPU's. Their drivers are bad or their performance is nowhere close to Nvidia. Basically AMD always fixes their drivers, it just takes them a year or two. 

 

I have personal experience with the Intel ARC A750. They are updating their drivers like mad. If you have a single monitor, you should be ok. Multi monitor setups become a bit frustrating. They are not supported for OCing with MSI afterburner yet. They have GDDR6 and I am certain being able to OC the memory would yield 10-15% better performance. The ARC interface looks great but the functions and features do not all work. 

 

If you can get a new ARC A750 for $180, I would say go for it. I think having a backup GPU would be a good idea. Intel is spending a lot of time and effort updating the drivers almost weekly. By the time Battlemage is released, people will be questioning AMD GPU's. By that I mean AMD puts very little effort in trying to compete with Nvidia. Nvidia updates their drivers weekly or bi-weekly. I will say the Nvidia updates for the most part are worthless but updating your Nvidia drivers every 3-6 months provides some useful improvements. 

 

The AMD GPU's I like are the 6800XT and 7800XT. Any lower than that the 6650XT that did hit $209 a few months ago. The 4070 is the only Nvidia GPU for the mid range that is worth considering. 

Do you work for userbenchmark? 

 

OP ignore this post AMD drivers schedule is just as good as Nvidia and they usually give more performance for slightly less money.

 

When a new game comes out they release drivers for launch day release , It took Intel 3 months to get a usable starfield driver and its still got horrendous performance.

[filpo]

On 1/11/2024 at 11:43 AM, Columbo said:

The 4070 is the only Nvidia GPU for the mid range that is worth considering. 

in that price range the 2080 ti can be had for $350 used and is a great deal, so is the 3070. The new market isn't the only one that exists

 

On 1/11/2024 at 11:43 AM, Columbo said:

If you can get a new ARC A750 for $180, I would say go for it

they've definitely gotten better, but I think they should just improve it a bit more to make it a good decision. But they aren't at this price now so at this price a new 6600 xt for $30 more would be better ASRock Phantom Gaming D OC Radeon RX 6600 XT 8 GB Video Card (RX6600XT PGD 8GO) - PCPartPicker

[Dedayog]

1 hour ago, Omar Ibrahim Atta said:

So waiting for battlemage will be better than buying an AMD GPU now?

The 6650XT for $189 refurbished at Newegg, when they pop in stock are a great deal for under $200.

 

You can always wait, but if you want now... AMD for your price range is the best option.  Intel just isn't baked fully yet, and Nvidia doesn't have anything new in that range.

[ssmokeyy]

Nvidia is so overpriced its a juke.  No one should be buying 40 series. As long as gamers pay for it they will do it.  Nvidia has  no care for anyone but how much money they can make.    Amd always looks like a great option.  Drivers suck, cards never as fast as they should be.  Little high on price for what u get.   Intel new player, updates weekly, great chip for the money, Intel will be a problem for Nvidia in the next couple years.  A series is ok. Your not always going to see crazy high fps but it can game.   Seems like gamers have following specs way to much and not caring enough about the games coming out.  Game quality has gone down big time in the last 5 years.  Today u don't need 80 series class cards to play 60 series class can hit more than good enough numbers.    4k screen is the only kinda hard but even that it's not needed. 

[Columbo]

2 hours ago, Bagzie said:

Do you work for userbenchmark? 

 

OP ignore this post AMD drivers schedule is just as good as Nvidia and they usually give more performance for slightly less money.

 

When a new game comes out they release drivers for launch day release , It took Intel 3 months to get a usable starfield driver and its still got horrendous performance.

I still have a working Radeon 7950 in a PC. That is from 2012/13. I had the original Geforce 256 back in 2000. The RX 6800 was supposed to be equal to the 3070. After more than two years it pretty much is equal to the 3070. That is how long it takes AMD to optimize their drivers. 

 

The RDNA 1 5700 and 5700xt were great cards when you considered the price. AMD is not equal to Nvidia. I agree Nvidia is greedy, that is why people look to AMD. 

 

Intel is building their driver library. Once complete they can update drivers based on an established database of all the games. That is why AMD and Nvidia are ahead of Intel. People repeat lip service they heard from youtubers. When you enter a new market you undercut your competition with price and performance.  

 

AMD has the RX 7600xt with 16GB of Vram coming at the end of the month. It would make sense for Intel to release an ARC A750 with 16GB of Vram and high frequency GDDR6. A lot of you do not realize much of the performance in low to mid tier cards comes from the GDDR6 memory. The super cards and the XT AMD cards simply have higher voltage on the GPU and supercharged GDDR6 memory. 

[Bagzie]

55 minutes ago, Columbo said:

I still have a working Radeon 7950 in a PC. That is from 2012/13. I had the original Geforce 256 back in 2000. The RX 6800 was supposed to be equal to the 3070. After more than two years it pretty much is equal to the 3070. That is how long it takes AMD to optimize their drivers. 

 

The RDNA 1 5700 and 5700xt were great cards when you considered the price. AMD is not equal to Nvidia. I agree Nvidia is greedy, that is why people look to AMD. 

 

Intel is building their driver library. Once complete they can update drivers based on an established database of all the games. That is why AMD and Nvidia are ahead of Intel. People repeat lip service they heard from youtubers. When you enter a new market you undercut your competition with price and performance.  

 

AMD has the RX 7600xt with 16GB of Vram coming at the end of the month. It would make sense for Intel to release an ARC A750 with 16GB of Vram and high frequency GDDR6. A lot of you do not realize much of the performance in low to mid tier cards comes from the GDDR6 memory. The super cards and the XT AMD cards simply have higher voltage on the GPU and supercharged GDDR6 memory. 

This further cements the fact you don't know what you are talking about.

 

This is from 2020 where the 6800 was clearly the faster gpu back then and still is today , The 6800 has always been a faster gpu than the 3070.

 

You also mention the XT cards and super cards only have higher voltage gpu and faster memory which is factually incorrect.

 

[Columbo]

14 minutes ago, Bagzie said:

This further cements the fact you don't know what you are talking about.

 

This is from 2020 where the 6800 was clearly the faster gpu back then and still is today.

There is no point arguing over a 3 year old card. RDNA2 is outdated technology today.  The 7800xt is current generation AMD (RDNA3) offering in the same performance tier. 

[Dedayog]

21 minutes ago, Bagzie said:

This further cements the fact you don't know what you are talking about.

 

This is from 2020 where the 6800 was clearly the faster gpu back then and still is today.

 

You also mention the XT cards and super cards have higher voltage gpu and faster memory which is factually incorrect.

 

Not sureI buy the 6800XT beating the 3080 though...

[filpo]

1 hour ago, Columbo said:

That is how long it takes AMD to optimize their drivers. 

Short version: Nuh uh

 

Long one:

here's a vid from a year ago with them being essentially equal and with them trading blows if either of them win or lose

Then here's one from two years ago with a 3070 ti instead (not a very big uplift tho so it's comparable)

alrighty then 

And one from HUB if you don't trust these youtube channels (from a year and 4 months ago)

Oh and we've even got one from 3 YEARS AGO?

Who would've guessed?

26 minutes ago, Columbo said:

RDNA2 is outdated technology toda

If we go off that logic then RDNA3 is outdated cuz it was released over a year ago. Just cuz RDNA2 is older doesn't mean it's outdated. Even 6700 XT's can run AAA games (which can be had for $250 on the used market)

 

26 minutes ago, Columbo said:

The 7800xt is current generation AMD (RDNA3) offering in the same performance tier. 

for $500 which is still $150 more than a used 6800

rx 6800 for sale | eBay

25 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Not sureI buy the 6800XT beating the 3080 though...

Well it does have 6gb more vram and now, at least, they're quite close 

[IkeaGnome]

59 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

buy the 6800XT beating the 3080 though...

It's been like that since they all released. 1440p or 1080p, just rasterization the 6800xt wins out. Turn on ray tracing and it's a complete different story. I can't be bothered to look up benchmarks right now and the video links posted above are broken for me. IIRC at 4k the 3080 has always won by about as much as the 6800xt wins at 1440p. 

[Bagzie]

2 hours ago, Columbo said:

There is no point arguing over a 3 year old card. RDNA2 is outdated technology today.  The 7800xt is current generation AMD (RDNA3) offering in the same performance tier. 

It offers the same performance tier because it has 1000 fewer cores , No driver is going to fix that.