First build

[NotMoon]

Budget (including currency): ~2400$ cad 

Country: Canada 

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: gaming, general use 

Other details https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/NotMoon/saved/yrnGJx (upgrading from a laptop)

 

[brob]

Consider instead a 7800X3D build. It's a much better choice for a mostly gaming rig.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($479.99 @ Best Buy Canada) 

CPU Cooler: Deepcool LS520 SE WH 85.85 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($113.99 @ PC-Canada) 

Motherboard: MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard ($269.99 @ Amazon Canada) 

Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($157.96 @ Newegg Canada) 

Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($179.97 @ Newegg Canada) 

Video Card: Asus DUAL OC GeForce RTX 4060 8 GB Video Card ($389.00 @ Canada Computers) 

Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case ($149.99 @ Memory Express) 

Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 TT Premium 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($129.99 @ Canada Computers) 

Monitor: Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQ 27.0" 2560 x 1440 165 Hz Monitor ($399.99 @ Amazon Canada) 

Total: $2270.87

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-12-06 12:48 EST-0500

[Queen Chrysalis]

11 minutes ago, brob said:

Consider instead a 7800X3D build. It's a much better choice for a mostly gaming rig.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($479.99 @ Best Buy Canada) 

CPU Cooler: Deepcool LS520 SE WH 85.85 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($113.99 @ PC-Canada) 

Motherboard: MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard ($269.99 @ Amazon Canada) 

Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($157.96 @ Newegg Canada) 

Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($179.97 @ Newegg Canada) 

Video Card: Asus DUAL OC GeForce RTX 4060 8 GB Video Card ($389.00 @ Canada Computers) 

Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case ($149.99 @ Memory Express) 

Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 TT Premium 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($129.99 @ Canada Computers) 

Monitor: Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQ 27.0" 2560 x 1440 165 Hz Monitor ($399.99 @ Amazon Canada) 

Total: $2270.87

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-12-06 12:48 EST-0500

I wouldn't get a 7800x3d if it means only getting a 4060 for the GPU.

 

OP, you'll probably want a much faster GPU.  Most games today leverage it way more than the CPU, especially at 1440p.  The 7600 is gonna be faster than the 11700k anyway.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($269.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AG400 75.89 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.99 @ Memory Express) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 GAMING X AX ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($207.90 @ Vuugo) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($157.96 @ Newegg Canada) 
Storage: Solidigm P41 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($119.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Video Card: Sapphire PURE Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB Video Card  ($719.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($149.99 @ Memory Express) 
Power Supply: MSI MAG A750GL PCIE5 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($119.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Monitor: MSI Optix G32CQ4 E2 31.5" 2560 x 1440 170 Hz Curved Monitor  ($279.99 @ Memory Express) 
Total: $2060.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-12-06 13:23 EST-0500

[The Hope]

CPU: Intel Core i5-12600KF 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor  ($259.42 @ Vuugo)
CPU Cooler: Scythe Kotetsu Mark 3 67.62 CFM CPU Cooler  ($49.05 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: MSI MPG Z790I EDGE WIFI Mini ITX LGA1700 Motherboard
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7800 CL38 Memory  ($279.97 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2 TB  ( $179.75+ @ Vuugo)
Video Card: Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB Video Card ( $679.99+ @ Canada Computers)
Case: Zalman S3 ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  ($177.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 Silent 24.1 CFM 120 mm Fan  ($15.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 Silent 24.1 CFM 120 mm Fan  ($15.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 Silent 24.1 CFM 120 mm Fan  ($15.99 @ Amazon Canada)

 

On 12/6/2023 at 6:50 PM, brob said:

Consider instead a 7800X3D build. It's a much better choice for a mostly gaming rig.

My Intel Core i5-12600KF in Geekbench 6: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/3787352

Average AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D in Geekbench 6: https://browser.geekbench.com/processors/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d

 

I did not overclock, nor do I have the fastest RAM, nor did I tune the RAM.

Conclusion: If I tune my RAM (which is free) I score significantly higher than the (average) AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D in Geekbench 6 single-core.

 

The game 0 A.D. opens in 0.396 second on my Intel 12600KF system when I open this game for the first time. (XFS file system)

OpenArena opens in 0.3xx second on my Intel 12600KF system and Red Eclipse opens in 0.6xx second.

 

I can outperform AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D windows11 users in many (gaming) benchmarks by using Linux.

[Jeppes]

6 minutes ago, The Hope said:

CPU: Intel Core i5-12600KF 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor  ($259.42 @ Vuugo)
CPU Cooler: Scythe Kotetsu Mark 3 67.62 CFM CPU Cooler  ($49.05 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: MSI MPG Z790I EDGE WIFI Mini ITX LGA1700 Motherboard
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7800 CL38 Memory  ($279.97 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Samsung 990 Pro w/Heatsink 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($327.95 @ shopRBC)
Video Card: Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 7900 XT 20 GB Video Card  ($1144.50 @ Vuugo)
Case: Zalman S3 ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  ($177.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 Silent 24.1 CFM 120 mm Fan  ($15.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 Silent 24.1 CFM 120 mm Fan  ($15.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 Silent 24.1 CFM 120 mm Fan  ($15.99 @ Amazon Canada)

 

My Intel Core i5-12600KF in Geekbench 6: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/3787352

Average AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D in Geekbench 6: https://browser.geekbench.com/processors/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d

 

I did not overclock, nor do I have the fastest RAM, nor did I tune the RAM.

Conclusion: If I tune my RAM (which is free) I score significantly higher than the (average) AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D in Geekbench 6 single-core.

 

The game 0 A.D. opens in 0.396 second on my Intel 12600KF system when I open this game for the first time. (XFS file system)

OpenArena opens in 0.3xx second on my Intel 12600KF system.

 

I can ouperform AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D windows11 users in many (gaming) benchmarks by using Linux.

I would consider looking into how you test if you get different results than all review sites. Even 7600 is faster in games than 12600kf on average.

[brob]

14 minutes ago, The Hope said:

 

I can outperform AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D windows11 users in many (gaming) benchmarks by using Linux.

 

Great apples to oranges comparison.

[The Hope]

48 minutes ago, Jeppes said:

I would consider looking into how you test if you get different results than all review sites. Even 7600 is faster in games than 12600kf on average.

No it's not.

 

 

GameGPU ranks its CPUs on 1% Low values instead of average values, meaning that according to them, 1% Low values are the most important.

The fastest AMD CPU is only 26% faster than the Intel 12600KF in these 1% Low values, a difference you can already partially close by using Clear Linux.

When you start tuning RAM and overclocking, the difference with the fastest AMD CPU (stock) becomes really small, especially for 1440p and 4k gaming.

[Jeppes]

3 hours ago, The Hope said:

No it's not.

 

 

GameGPU ranks its CPUs on 1% Low values instead of average values, meaning that according to them, 1% Low values are the most important.

The fastest AMD CPU is only 26% faster than the Intel 12600KF in these 1% Low values, a difference you can already partially close by using Clear Linux.

When you start tuning RAM and overclocking, the difference with the fastest AMD CPU (stock) becomes really small, especially for 1440p and 4k gaming.

Using clear linux makes 12600kf outperform 7800x3d in Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty? Just stop feeding misinformation already...

[The Hope]

2 hours ago, Jeppes said:

Using clear linux makes 12600kf outperform 7800x3d in Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty? Just stop feeding misinformation already...

The average Linux system can outperform windows11 in Cyberpunk on AMD GPU's. Clear Linux can perform more than 10% faster than the average Linux system in specific games.

 

What is the only game with 300,000,000 sales again? I will just tell you that Linux is about 26% faster in Minecraft than windows11.

 

Linux is also more than 15% faster in World of Warcraft, another title with incredible revenue (many billions).

 

Let's check a third game with incredible sales:

 

I didn't say that Linux will close the gap completely in every game. I said something else:

 

...., a difference you can already partially close by using Clear Linux.

When you start tuning RAM and overclocking, the difference with the fastest AMD CPU (stock) becomes really small, especially for 1440p and 4k gaming.

[Middcore]

@The Hope Your Linux comparisons and references aren't going to be relevant to most people asking for build advice here. They are asking for hardware recommendations, not a pitch on what OS they should use. With respect, this kind of thing is why Linux users have a bad reputation. 

[The Hope]

9 minutes ago, Middcore said:

@The Hope Your Linux comparisons and references aren't going to be relevant to most people asking for build advice here. They are asking for hardware recommendations, not a pitch on what OS they should use. With respect, this kind of thing is why Linux users have a bad reputation. 

Ok. I will just ask you three questions so you can discover the reality if you try and I'm talking about windows11.

 

#1 Can you calculate me the average difference in performance for 4K gaming between the 7800x3d and the Intel 12600KF in this link: https://wccftech.com/review/intel-core-i9-14900k-core-i7-14700k-core-i5-14600k-desktop-cpu-review-more-performance-same-price/6/

 

#2 What is the RAM frequency of my recommended build and the recommended build from brob?

 

#3 Which CPU architecture scales best with a RAM frequency above 6000MHz? (Intel Alder Lake or AMD Ryzen)

[brob]

10 minutes ago, The Hope said:

Ok. I will just ask you three questions so you can discover the reality if you try and I'm talking about windows11.

 

#1 Can you calculate me the average difference in performance for 4K gaming between the 7800x3d and the Intel 12600KF in this link: https://wccftech.com/review/intel-core-i9-14900k-core-i7-14700k-core-i5-14600k-desktop-cpu-review-more-performance-same-price/6/

 

#2 What is the RAM frequency of my recommended build and the recommended build from brob

 

#3 Which CPU architecture scales best with a RAM frequency above 6000MHz? (Intel Alder Lake or AMD Ryzen)

 

You are being ridiculous trying to compare performance between a CA$2200 Windows system and a CA$2,800 Linux system.

 

Any claimed performance differences are immaterial when the system is not affordable in this particular case.

 

If you want to proselytize, do so in the appropriate forum in your own thread.

[Why_Me]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor  ($379.00 @ Canada Computers) 
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool AG620 WH ARGB 67.88 CFM CPU Cooler  ($59.99 @ PC-Canada) 
Motherboard: *Gigabyte B760 AORUS ELITE AX ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($224.99 @ Memory Express) 
Memory: *G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($149.97 @ Newegg Canada) 
Storage: *Kingston KC3000 2.048 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($154.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Video Card: *Sapphire PURE Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB Video Card  ($699.00 @ Canada Computers) 
Case: *Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($149.99 @ Memory Express) 
Power Supply: *MSI MAG A750GL PCIE5 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($119.99 @ Best Buy Canada) 
Operating System: *Microsoft Windows 11 Home Retail - USB 64-bit  ($140.00 @ Amazon Canada) 
Monitor: *Asus TUF Gaming VG249Q1A 23.8" 1920 x 1080 165 Hz Monitor  ($159.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Total: $2237.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-12-07 16:27 EST-0500

[The Hope]

15 minutes ago, brob said:

 

You are being ridiculous trying to compare performance between a CA$2200 Windows system and a CA$2,800 Linux system.

Thank you.  I changed two items to get the price close to ~2400$ cad.

It was by accident that I got this high price.