Mac or pc

[Shailesh Vats]

I am a college student, who loves to play and code ,i already have a laptop i generally use for college stuff (a potato one), was thinking of building a pc and already planned out the stuff and things and then... i saw

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1539716-pc-doesn’t-boot-anymore-after-2-days-of-use/

and made me wonder if i am taking a right step by building a pc or should i just go with a mac instead, since most of the components i will buy have 7 days return policy and then manufacturers warranty after that i am still a bit worried what if i get into this problem how will i able to find out which component got damaged

[Dedayog]

1 minute ago, Shailesh Vats said:

I am a college student, who loves to play and code ,i already have a laptop i generally use for college stuff (a potato one), was thinking of building a pc and already planned out the stuff and things and then... i saw

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1539716-pc-doesn’t-boot-anymore-after-2-days-of-use/

and made me wonder if i am taking a right step by building a pc or should i just go with a mac instead, since most of the components i will buy have 7 days return policy and then manufacturers warranty after that i am still a bit worried what if i get into this problem how will i able to find out which component got damaged

Really, of the hundreds of users here that have multiple working PC's they built.. you see a single thread by a solitary user and you're backing off?

 

Get the Mac.

[PDifolco]

I swore to never use an Apple product

 

[Dr. Will0hlep]

1 minute ago, Shailesh Vats said:

I am a college student, who loves to play and code ,i already have a laptop i generally use for college stuff (a potato one), was thinking of building a pc and already planned out the stuff and things and then... i saw

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1539716-pc-doesn’t-boot-anymore-after-2-days-of-use/

and made me wonder if i am taking a right step by building a pc or should i just go with a mac instead, since most of the components i will buy have 7 days return policy and then manufacturers warranty after that i am still a bit worried what if i get into this problem how will i able to find out which component got damaged

If your worried about those kinds of issues, you don't have jump straight to mac. Prebuilt windows PCs are also a good option. However, typically troubleshooting PCs isn't too complicated and most builds go without any issues.

[Shailesh Vats]

3 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Really, of the hundreds of users here that have multiple working PC's they built.. you see a single thread by a solitary user and you're backing off?

 

Get the Mac.

thats not the thing , i am worried about finding that faulty component, since i dont have spare components to check which are good and which are not, what can i do to minimize the broad area of checking

 

so

first i will try to take display from display port, ok it doesnt work

wither gpu,or mobo is faulty

tried taking display from mobo it doesnt work either

tried taking out rams and re inserting it

changing the power output

checking the psu cables

and what are the things i can check to to find ?

 

the problem is i am not scared of building but scared of my pc running good for 2 days and then shutdown completely and never turning on back again, that guy doesnt even see bios screen there

[Shailesh Vats]

1 hour ago, will0hlep said:

If your worried about those kinds of issues, you don't have jump straight to mac. Prebuilt windows PCs are also a good option. However, typically troubleshooting PCs isn't too complicated and most builds go without any issues.

no i will probably never gonna buy a prebuild, i am just addicted researching and building it my self it took a lot of effort and help from this community to build the dream BattleMachine 

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j9Gw34

 

1 hour ago, Dean0919 said:

I'm not sure if you're trolling or sincere OP, but if you're not trolling, I can tell you that half of the world (probably more than a half) uses PCs daily their whole life. Yes, problems happen, but if you think Mac is made from the gods themselves and is immune to problems you're very wrong. Get whatever you want.

I am more worried about troubleshooting a problem like this one than building, as i dont have much idea what problem may occur and what can i do to solve them

[PDifolco]

6 minutes ago, Shailesh Vats said:

no i will probably never gonna buy a prebuild, i am just addicted researching and building it my self it took a lot of effort and help from this community to build the dream BattleMachine 

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j9Gw34

Then why buying a Mac that's only unservicable prebuilt then  ??

Your build is fine (cheapo case tho, dunno what it looks like, does it have fans ?)

99.9% of the time all PC parts deivered  are working and issue is just something badly (or  not) plugged, or software issue (including BIOS)

[Shailesh Vats]

2 minutes ago, Dean0919 said:

Ok. And you're not worried about troubleshooting with Mac?

its not like that, if a mac cause a problem i can just throw it in service centre, and same goes for prebuilt

but for pc i will have to find out that part which is causing the problem so i can send it to service centre

[Shailesh Vats]

3 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Then why buying a Mac that's only unservicable prebuilt then  ??

Your build is fine (cheapo case tho, dunno what it looks like, does it have fans ?)

99.9% of the time all PC parts deivered  are working and issue is just something badly (or  not) plugged, or software issue (including BIOS)

yeh only 1 yr warranty

 

 

 

https://www.amazon.in/Antec-AX20-RGB-Tempered-Mid-Tower/dp/B0BPQZZG56?keywords=ax20+case&sr=8-1&linkId=e5d1a66210cf75daae5c94ee209cd92e&language=en_IN&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

this the case i choose,cut the price on it and used to buy a better overclockable ram stick

 

 

[Guest]

Custom built pc will always be the best, as long as you take your time to choose good parts and build it well then it will be better than anything else you could get.

 

Pre built pcs can be ok if you get a good one, but generally most will have some issues like a bloated windows install, cheaping out on certain important parts, etc.

 

And macs are just bad.

[Dr. Will0hlep]

9 minutes ago, Shailesh Vats said:

its not like that, if a mac cause a problem i can just throw it in service centre, and same goes for prebuilt

but for pc i will have to find out that part which is causing the problem so i can send it to service centre

It isn't really that difficult to work out what parts are faulty, motherboards give error message, your cpu has graphics so you can test the GPU by removing it, PSUs come with testers, ect...

 

And if you ever couldn't figure it out, you can always send more than 1 part back claiming they are broken.

[Shailesh Vats]

2 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

It isn't really that difficult to work out what parts are faulty, motherboards give error message, your cpu has graphics so you can test the GPU by removing it, PSUs come with testers, ect...

 

And if you ever couldn't figure it out, you can always send more than 1 part back claiming they are broken.

yeh i want to know about those things more are there any videos with solving those things i saw some from jayz and it helped me a bit

btw i will be using 

https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B650M-HDVM.2/index.asp

this mobo and it not expensive and doesnt come with error code display

i want to know about leds and how to figure it out with their help

[Dr. Will0hlep]

4 minutes ago, Shailesh Vats said:

yeh i want to know about those things more are there any videos with solving those things i saw some from jayz and it helped me a bit

btw i will be using 

https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B650M-HDVM.2/index.asp

this mobo and it not expensive and doesnt come with error code display

i want to know about leds and how to figure it out with their help

The manual has the information about the status LEDs. See page 43. These LED systems are pretty simple.

 

https://download.asrock.com/Manual/B650M-HDVM.2.pdf

There is also a QR code to a tutorial video.

[LogicalDrm]

How to deal with problems is imo not the best way to look at what to get. Look at your budget and intended usage. Why are you buying this computer (Mac is PC, but since here its synonymous to custom/prebuilt...)? What is your budget? That around $1000 of your equivalent currency? You are looking for used Macs at that point, I think. And not having warranty either so besides throwing it into service center, you are gonna pay the fee for it.

[Shailesh Vats]

16 minutes ago, LogicalDrm said:

How to deal with problems is imo not the best way to look at what to get. Look at your budget and intended usage. Why are you buying this computer (Mac is PC, but since here its synonymous to custom/prebuilt...)? What is your budget? That around $1000 of your equivalent currency? You are looking for used Macs at that point, I think. And not having warranty either so besides throwing it into service center, you are gonna pay the fee for it.

i mean macbook air by stating mac(sorry for that) 

[LogicalDrm]

3 minutes ago, Shailesh Vats said:

i mean macbook air by stating mac(sorry for that) 

Thats even bigger difference. Between light laptop and full gaming PC. 

[Shailesh Vats]

7 hours ago, LogicalDrm said:

Thats even bigger difference. Between light laptop and full gaming PC. 

yep the problem i had was to how to troubleshoot the problem after building it and most of problem got solved after learning about , those error leds and qr code scanner, 

[Needfuldoer]

On 11/7/2023 at 11:47 AM, Shailesh Vats said:

thats not the thing , i am worried about finding that faulty component, since i dont have spare components to check which are good and which are not, what can i do to minimize the broad area of checking

Don't worry about fixing a Mac laptop. When it breaks, you either bring it to an Apple store and they repair/replace it under warranty, or you throw it away and buy a new one because all the components are soldered to the motherboard!

 

I liked Apple better when they were doomed.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, htimsenyawed said:

 

MacBook Air's incredible battery life and portability is invaluable to a college student with long days on campus. I wish I had this M1 MacBook Air I have now back in 2009 when I went, but my white MacBook done pretty good for not needing to hunt down a charger every hour or two.

Theyre good for battery life and thats about it, a windows laptop can have good battery life too with proper tuning, but to be fair most are poorly tuned out of the box but they mostly just need a clean windows install that doesnt max out the cpu at idle. The reason people think pcs have bad battery life is because most people dont know how or are too lazy to do that.

 

Super light and portable laptops I have never really understood, I carry around a heavy af gaming laptop for work and never really think about its weight.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, htimsenyawed said:

Everything you said sounds awful for the average consumer who just wants a portable computer with great battery life and lightweight while also packing text books across a large college campus.

A 200 dollar chromebook meets those requirements. The issue with mac is for the boatload of money you spend you get very little in return, I understand good battery life is important for some but thats really not worth the insane cost.

For a similarly priced pc you get support for basically all software ever made within the past 25-30 years, way more io (ethernet, hdmi, at least a couple usb type a and c ports, etc.), way easier and cheaper to repair and maintain, and much more.

[iSynthMan]

On 11/7/2023 at 1:34 PM, Shailesh Vats said:

I am a college student, who loves to play and code ,i already have a laptop i generally use for college stuff (a potato one), was thinking of building a pc and already planned out the stuff and things and then... i saw

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1539716-pc-doesn’t-boot-anymore-after-2-days-of-use/

and made me wonder if i am taking a right step by building a pc or should i just go with a mac instead, since most of the components i will buy have 7 days return policy and then manufacturers warranty after that i am still a bit worried what if i get into this problem how will i able to find out which component got damaged

With a Mac you don't have to worry, it's guaranteed to crap out sooner or later and cost you a small fortune to "fix" (replace everything) the way they are engineered with wear parts soldered on, hardware and firmware locks as well as extreme anti-consumer and anti-repair practices. 

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, htimsenyawed said:

I understand your point, as a fellow enthusiast of technology. And a Chromebook would work - but a Chromebook (as far as I know, I haven’t dealt with them) doesn’t support full desktop applications like macOS or Windows does.

Well it depends what you're doing, if your just using a browser then a chromebook is an easy choice since its cheap so its easy to get and its not a big deal if it gets broken or stolen, And you can run linux desktop apps on it although the experience is variable depending on what you are doing. And if you need desktop apps windows is better since it supports everything and is guaranteed to work reasonably well, even with a sub 1000 dollar laptop.

13 minutes ago, htimsenyawed said:

The average consumer doesn’t care if it’s USB 3.0 or 3.1 or the frequency of the RAM or the read write speeds of the drive.

Well its not about the speed of those things since they are all fast enough these days to handle most normal tasks. Its more about the ability to plug something in without having to look for an adapter, if I want a keyboard, mouse, ethernet, audio, video out, etc. I can plug all those things in at the same time without having to go out and buy dongles or usb hubs that are annoying to deal with.

22 minutes ago, htimsenyawed said:

There’s also an overlap of college campuses and Apple retail locations which offer service, and most things can be fixed same day with the warranty at the store. 

You shouldnt have to repair things at all if you take care of your stuff. A windows laptop will last basically forever as long as you take care of it and clean out the dust every year or so. A mac im not sure would last that long since they look all nice on the outside but are filled with cheap crap on the inside so they are nearly impossible to repair when they inevitably break unless you pay for an expensive repair or have apple care which is also expensive, and will get slowed down by software updates over time and eventually not be updated at all but windows will run on anything as long as it supports the required instruction sets, for example you can run windows 11 and still get the latest updates on basically anything 64 bit which means you can use amd athlon 64s or pentium 4 6x1 cpus or newer which are nearly 20 years old now.

 

And based on everything I hear about apple the situation with macs (and all of their products) will continue to get worse as the years go on.

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, htimsenyawed said:

As for your Windows 11 claim, I have two PCs sitting here stuck on Windows 10 because of the arbitrary requirements for Windows 11 although they’re relatively modern Intel (8th generation and 9th generation I think) processors, so the even older Intel processor claim is bunk. 

Screenshot from a quick google search showing a pentium 4 661 released january 5th 2006 running windows 11, like I said you just need to do some workarounds and it will work on older cpus, although this is a pretty extreme example that probably isnt practical. The windows 11 "requirements" are pretty stupid.

25 minutes ago, htimsenyawed said:

Linux and Windows.

If you use Linux you can optimize everything easily since everything is open source and therefore customizable if you know what your doing.

 

Windows is kinda inbetween but can still be tuned to be incredibly lightweight, my system uses 0% cpu and gpu and less than 2gb of ram at idle and everything is pretty much instantaneous, yes I know my pc is super high end but I was able to do it with much older/slower hardware before, like you couldnt tell it was a super old and "slow" system.

 

But mac is so locked down with everything that im not sure you could do the same.

35 minutes ago, htimsenyawed said:

However, I had 10 years from my 2009 MacBook, and 11+ years from my 2012 Mac Mini (now a home lab server) and I’m sitting on 2 years with my M1 Mini and MacBook Air. 

Ive seen my friends 2012 macbook and its unusable, takes like a minute to open a website with 350mbps+ ethernet plugged in and no background apps (at least none that I can see because there isnt a task manager equivalent on mac).

40 minutes ago, htimsenyawed said:

However, it’s not just about taking care of your stuff - and I agree it will last longer if you do, but sometimes things just fail. Anything made by man can fail, as we’re not perfect.

My dads old desktop from 2004 still boots up just fine, only an hdd and psu replacement a couple years back (which are cheap and easy to do on pc, and theyve lasted 15+ years at that point) and everything else is original. Dont worry he has a new pc now that I helped him build a while back.

 

Build quality also has a big impact, a cheap laptop (basically anything that isnt gaming or workstation focused or is well under $1000) might not last long. But if you have a quality laptop that has overbuilt cooling, power delivery, everything, and maintain it properly then it will last at least 10 years and probably more.

[Shailesh Vats]

34 minutes ago, taekononomiya said:

simple, if u are a college student get a laptop. depending on what u do and plan to do u will have to choose between either a mac or a windows/linux laptop.

I already have a laptop fkr college stuff

and was thinking of building a pc for hardcore things that college doesnt teach you was doubting if i can troubleshoot the pc problems myself , guess i didnt read the motherboards manuel online 

[dragonfly43]

I also vouch for Chromebooks that can use Linux. 

 

https://www.androidauthority.com/chromebook-linux-android-apps-874984/