Budget PC

[AVKCOOLWONDER37]

Budget (Not too expensive Cheaper than what I have): 

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Gaming with some other aplications

Other detailshttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/ttt289 this is my mini itx system I would like to know if I should change anything or not before I buy it?

 

[TheLANguy]

If you can afford it, go for better SSD.

From reading the forum it seems many have had issues with the P3.

[Failure 101]

38 minutes ago, AVKCOOLWONDER37 said:

Budget (Not too expensive Cheaper than what I have): 

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Gaming with some other aplications

Other detailshttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/ttt289 this is my mini itx system I would like to know if I should change anything or not before I buy it?

 

Also why do you want a ITX board in a ATX Case

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($134.00 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock B550M-ITX/ac Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard  ($128.04 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($29.97 @ Amazon) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($39.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: MSI DUKE GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8 GB Video Card  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 ATX Full Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: Phanteks Revolt X 1200 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Monitor: Acer Nitro XV1 XV271U 27.0" 2560 x 1440 180 Hz Monitor  ($199.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $531.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-10-16 23:58 EDT-0400

[AVKCOOLWONDER37]

25 minutes ago, Failure 101 said:

Also why do you want a ITX board in a ATX Case

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($134.00 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock B550M-ITX/ac Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard  ($128.04 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($29.97 @ Amazon) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($39.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: MSI DUKE GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8 GB Video Card  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 ATX Full Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: Phanteks Revolt X 1200 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Monitor: Acer Nitro XV1 XV271U 27.0" 2560 x 1440 180 Hz Monitor  ($199.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $531.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-10-16 23:58 EDT-0400

because this case has a spot for 2 systems and I want this one to by my bottom system while I wait for battlemage and the new intel cpu so things get cheaper for an ATX build.

[Failure 101]

6 minutes ago, AVKCOOLWONDER37 said:

because this case has a spot for 2 systems and I want this one to by my bottom system while I wait for battlemage and the new intel cpu so things get cheaper for an ATX build.

but. why.

[SorryBella]

2 hours ago, AVKCOOLWONDER37 said:

because this case has a spot for 2 systems and I want this one to by my bottom system while I wait for battlemage and the new intel cpu so things get cheaper for an ATX build.

I genuinely DO NOT understand your gameplan here. If you want to use 2 system for streaming, going with any GPU doesn't make sense because you would want x264 for the best quality which is CPU only. You better off populating the x16 slot with a capture card to simplify your setup. If you're going for AV1 streaming, the GPU will do all the encode which is the heavy part, CPU is just going to be managing the background task of streaming it like networking and OBS process. In this case, 2nd PC is redundant.

[AVKCOOLWONDER37]

20 hours ago, SorryBella said:

I genuinely DO NOT understand your gameplan here. If you want to use 2 system for streaming, going with any GPU doesn't make sense because you would want x264 for the best quality which is CPU only. You better off populating the x16 slot with a capture card to simplify your setup. If you're going for AV1 streaming, the GPU will do all the encode which is the heavy part, CPU is just going to be managing the background task of streaming it like networking and OBS process. In this case, 2nd PC is redundant.

The system will be used for some gaming server hosting some streaming and school work.

[SorryBella]

3 hours ago, AVKCOOLWONDER37 said:

The system will be used for some gaming server hosting some streaming and school work.

To me? More incentive to build it off 2 separate tower on 2 separate PSU. If your gaming PC goes poof due to PSU failure so does your servers and thatll plain sucks.

[theperson]

Why a ATX with a mini-ITX board dude??

[AlfaProto]

On 10/17/2023 at 3:10 PM, SorryBella said:

I genuinely DO NOT understand your gameplan here. If you want to use 2 system for streaming, going with any GPU doesn't make sense because you would want x264 for the best quality which is CPU only. You better off populating the x16 slot with a capture card to simplify your setup. If you're going for AV1 streaming, the GPU will do all the encode which is the heavy part, CPU is just going to be managing the background task of streaming it like networking and OBS process. In this case, 2nd PC is redundant.

Pretty sure NVENC is good enough to use over CPU. This isn't 2011.

 

AV1 streaming is still unsupported by Twitch and Youtube. Yes, in the future, but, by then, OP might have upgrade. Majority is still on H264.

[SorryBella]

1 hour ago, AlfaProto said:

Pretty sure NVENC is good enough to use over CPU.

Nope. According to a bunch of VMAF results the quality is still below QSV and x264. If you get to the bother of building 2nd PC to offload your render you might as well go for full hog of quality.

[AlfaProto]

On 10/30/2023 at 8:14 AM, SorryBella said:

Nope. According to a bunch of VMAF results the quality is still below QSV and x264. If you get to the bother of building 2nd PC to offload your render you might as well go for full hog of quality.

That's either wrong or poorly coded or config wrongly.

 

I've used NVENC (Kepler-650 Ti, Pascal--1070 and now Ampere--3080), even used QS (Sandy Bridge--i3 2100, HD 2000, Ivy Bridge--i5 3330 HD2500, Skylake--i7 6700K HD530 and Comet Lake--i9 10850K UHD630), NVENC is pretty much fine at 10Mb/s bitrate.

Then again, OBS and Youtube, or whichever streaming service there is will re-encode the stream to a lower bitrate so that their servers (outgoing) could handle it.

[SorryBella]

40 minutes ago, AlfaProto said:

NVENC is pretty much fine at 10Mb/s bitrate

And my car is pretty much fine at 5mph in a school zone. At that high of a bitrate anything can record well, its at a low bitrate where these encoders are needed to be tested because:

40 minutes ago, AlfaProto said:

Then again, OBS and Youtube, or whichever streaming service there is will re-encode the stream to a lower bitrate

Of this exact reason. Its better to stream right at the maximum for the best viewer experience in terms of delay, in the case of Twitch its 6mbps or 6000kbps. And youre also ignoring the issue of those with even below that upload speed, plans of asymmetric internet with sub 15mbps upload speed still exists and they CHUGS on max bitrate, this is where the 3000-3600kbps class comes along to play in some of these tests where AV1 is super praised at. Like thats the only time i think where i think NVENC makes sense in a dual PC setup because the bandwidth saving or better quality stream would be felt. Whether its worth the cost in purchase and added power consumption is another thing but media encoding is super duper efficient so ill bet the concern is 95% on the cost to buy an AV1 compatible card like 4060, Arc A380, or RX 7600. But as we know, Twitch has yet to put AV1 into service.

[AlfaProto]

On 11/5/2023 at 12:37 AM, SorryBella said:

And my car is pretty much fine at 5mph in a school zone. At that high of a bitrate anything can record well, its at a low bitrate where these encoders are needed to be tested because:

Of this exact reason. Its better to stream right at the maximum for the best viewer experience in terms of delay, in the case of Twitch its 6mbps or 6000kbps. And youre also ignoring the issue of those with even below that upload speed, plans of asymmetric internet with sub 15mbps upload speed still exists and they CHUGS on max bitrate, this is where the 3000-3600kbps class comes along to play in some of these tests where AV1 is super praised at. Like thats the only time i think where i think NVENC makes sense in a dual PC setup because the bandwidth saving or better quality stream would be felt. Whether its worth the cost in purchase and added power consumption is another thing but media encoding is super duper efficient so ill bet the concern is 95% on the cost to buy an AV1 compatible card like 4060, Arc A380, or RX 7600. But as we know, Twitch has yet to put AV1 into service.

Except, now, it's not even on the user's side of thing that the lower bitrate. Even if your bitrate is equal to the stream services, it will be re-encoded again, whether you like it or not.

Tough luck that your ISP decided to throttle Up speed or give a lower Up speed than the Down speed, from where I'm from, both of my up/down speed is equal, meaning if my ISP ads 500 Mb/s plan, it's really 500 Mb/s up and down.

Regardless, it doesn't matter if you have dual PC or not. The household is still using full 15 Mb/s up speed, meaning, each PC will have 7.5 Mb/s up OR less.

[SorryBella]

7 hours ago, AlfaProto said:

Tough luck

Should i count this as gatekeeping streaming? Yeah you know what I think I will, ISP monopoly should not be why someone cant stream. I know FAR TOO MANY people who literally cannot get better internet beyond moving out of their house or grovelling to get that severely overpriced LEO satellite connection owned by a manchild that somehow not being sued to hell and back by Department of Labor.

 

7 hours ago, AlfaProto said:

meaning if my ISP ads 500 Mb/s plan, it's really 500 Mb/s up and down.

7 hours ago, AlfaProto said:

each PC will have 7.5 Mb/s up OR less.

And thats not how bandwidth works at all.

1. Your ISP only advertises peak bandwidth. In the real world unless if you live in a suburb or business blocks where the nodes are not choked with customers (in which case frankly you seriously need to check your privilege considering your previous statement), you wont see that high of a speed on anything but a 3 mile server distance speedtest run.
2. Theyre never cleanly divided per device, its all about how much the data is transmitted at one device. So its dynamically divided and will never go exactly 7.5 and even will overflow so in that case either the ISP has a leeway or for most of the time: those that transmit less suffers.

[AlfaProto]

14 hours ago, SorryBella said:

Should i count this as gatekeeping streaming? Yeah you know what I think I will, ISP monopoly should not be why someone cant stream. I know FAR TOO MANY people who literally cannot get better internet beyond moving out of their house or grovelling to get that severely overpriced LEO satellite connection owned by a manchild that somehow not being sued to hell and back by Department of Labor.

 

And thats not how bandwidth works at all.

1. Your ISP only advertises peak bandwidth. In the real world unless if you live in a suburb or business blocks where the nodes are not choked with customers (in which case frankly you seriously need to check your privilege considering your previous statement), you wont see that high of a speed on anything but a 3 mile server distance speedtest run.
2. Theyre never cleanly divided per device, its all about how much the data is transmitted at one device. So its dynamically divided and will never go exactly 7.5 and even will overflow so in that case either the ISP has a leeway or for most of the time: those that transmit less suffers.

Nope, not even gate keeping streaming. There are other uses that REQUIRE high upload rate, but you have to fork out either expensive home network (likely fibre) or switch to business network, blame capitalism for that.

Yes, in fact, one of my sibilings decided to use the full network since he decided to download a large game. It literally choke other PC that are simply watching Youtube or browsing reddit.

Guess you sneeze at the last two works, "OR less", and I never say that bandwidth from ISP ads is perfectly matched.