Ive been away from the game...need recommendations

[cluelessgenius]

Budget (including currency): 1000€-1500€

Country: Germany

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: non-AAA gaming

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

so a collegue just asked me to spec a system for his son and ive not been paying attention to the market for a while so i thought id get your opinions.

7th gen amd cpu? 32 gigs of ram? nvidia something or another? my thought was to build a somewhat compact system with an aio a beefy gpu and then splurge on some noctuas since apparently silence is big factor. also wifi was requested. 

 

[filpo]

4 minutes ago, cluelessgenius said:

Budget (including currency): 1000€-1500€

Country: Germany

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: non-AAA gaming

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

so a collegue just asked me to spec a system for his son and ive not been paying attention to the market for a while so i thought id get your opinions.

7th gen amd cpu? 32 gigs of ram? nvidia something or another? my thought was to build a somewhat compact system with an aio a beefy gpu and then splurge on some noctuas since apparently silence is big factor. also wifi was requested. 

 

try this 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€228.85 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 DIGITAL 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler  (€81.92 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€168.90 @ Alza) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL28 Memory  (€117.89 @ Alternate) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€114.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: ASRock Phantom Gaming OC Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB Video Card  (€570.02 @ notebooksbilliger.de) 
Case: Fractal Design Pop Mini Air MicroATX Mid Tower Case  (€91.54 @ notebooksbilliger.de) 
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF A3 - TT Premium Edition 1050 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€131.89 @ Alternate) 
Total: €1505.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-10-10 13:07 CEST+0200

 

But you could get a 4070

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€228.85 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 DIGITAL 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler  (€81.92 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€168.90 @ Alza) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL28 Memory  (€117.89 @ Alternate) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€114.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card  (€605.90 @ Alza) 
Case: Fractal Design Pop Mini Air MicroATX Mid Tower Case  (€91.54 @ notebooksbilliger.de) 
Power Supply: MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€120.90 @ Alza) 
Total: €1530.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-10-10 13:09 CEST+0200

[PDifolco]

31 minutes ago, filpo said:

try this 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€228.85 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 DIGITAL 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler  (€81.92 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€168.90 @ Alza) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL28 Memory  (€117.89 @ Alternate) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€114.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: ASRock Phantom Gaming OC Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB Video Card  (€570.02 @ notebooksbilliger.de) 
Case: Fractal Design Pop Mini Air MicroATX Mid Tower Case  (€91.54 @ notebooksbilliger.de) 
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF A3 - TT Premium Edition 1050 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€131.89 @ Alternate) 
Total: €1505.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-10-10 13:07 CEST+0200

 

But you could get a 4070

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€228.85 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 DIGITAL 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler  (€81.92 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€168.90 @ Alza) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL28 Memory  (€117.89 @ Alternate) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€114.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card  (€605.90 @ Alza) 
Case: Fractal Design Pop Mini Air MicroATX Mid Tower Case  (€91.54 @ notebooksbilliger.de) 
Power Supply: MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€120.90 @ Alza) 
Total: €1530.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-10-10 13:09 CEST+0200

Variation on the first build, with cheaper cooler, better mobo and SSD, a case I like and another good PSU a bit cheaper

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€228.85 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (€38.29 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650M AORUS ELITE AX Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€226.90 @ Alza) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL28 Memory  (€117.89 @ Alternate) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€146.99 @ Western Digital) 
Video Card: ASRock Phantom Gaming OC Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB Video Card  (€570.02 @ notebooksbilliger.de) 
Case: Phanteks Eclipse G360A ATX Mid Tower Case  (€92.89 @ Caseking) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€125.80 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €1547.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-10-10 13:40 CEST+0200

 

 

[cluelessgenius]

so since i dont want complains about drivers and glitches i tend to lean towards nvidia and right now im looking at benchmarks between the 3070 Ti (~500€) , the 4060 Ti 16GB (~500€) and the 4070 (~650€). any thoughts on why one may be better than the other in terms of supported technologies maybe or something?

 

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/4413vs4898vs4795/GeForce-RTX-3070-Ti-vs-GeForce-RTX-4060-Ti-16GB-vs-GeForce-RTX-4070

[venomtail]

9 minutes ago, cluelessgenius said:

so since i dont want complains about drivers and glitches i tend to lean towards nvidia and right now im looking at benchmarks between the 3070 Ti (~500€) , the 4060 Ti 16GB (~500€) and the 4070 (~650€). any thoughts on why one may be better than the other in terms of supported technologies maybe or something?

 

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/4413vs4898vs4795/GeForce-RTX-3070-Ti-vs-GeForce-RTX-4060-Ti-16GB-vs-GeForce-RTX-4070

For NVIDIA anything less than a 4070 is just not worth it. Their pricing pushes you to pay more.

[cluelessgenius]

5 minutes ago, venomtail said:

For NVIDIA anything less than a 4070 is just not worth it. ...

could you go more into detail why?

[venomtail]

9 minutes ago, cluelessgenius said:

could you go more into detail why?

Cause there the AMD range takes strides when it comes to price x performance compared to NVIDIA. I feel like you'd have to be in active denial to buy a 4060TI when a 7700XT exists. Even 4070 is a rough buy when the 7800XT exists. At least the 4070 can get 60fps on low in some new 2023 games. 4060TI can't say the same.

[cluelessgenius]

41 minutes ago, venomtail said:

Cause there the AMD range takes strides when it comes to price x performance compared to NVIDIA. I feel like you'd have to be in active denial to buy a 4060TI when a 7700XT exists. Even 4070 is a rough buy when the 7800XT exists. At least the 4070 can get 60fps on low in some new 2023 games. 4060TI can't say the same.

ok... idk if you skipped the part about non-AAA gaming but the thing for me is stability. what i would do myself and what i would get for other people are two different things. i dont want to have to support this system too much and hear about driver issues and the sort later. and from what ive experienced with amd in the past and from what i hear about amd now its not as stabile as nvidia. 

 

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/4413vs4898vs4795vs4919vs4917/GeForce-RTX-3070-Ti-vs-GeForce-RTX-4060-Ti-16GB-vs-GeForce-RTX-4070-vs-Radeon-RX-7700-XT-vs-Radeon-RX-7800-XT

[venomtail]

21 minutes ago, cluelessgenius said:

ok... idk if you skipped the part about non-AAA gaming but the thing for me is stability. what i would do myself and what i would get for other people are two different things. i dont want to have to support this system too much and hear about driver issues and the sort later. and from what ive experienced with amd in the past and from what i hear about amd now its not as stabile as nvidia. 

 

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/4413vs4898vs4795vs4919vs4917/GeForce-RTX-3070-Ti-vs-GeForce-RTX-4060-Ti-16GB-vs-GeForce-RTX-4070-vs-Radeon-RX-7700-XT-vs-Radeon-RX-7800-XT

Non AAA games is my exact point. NVIDIA puts big money into optimizing AAA games, making them their tech demos. You get performance from things that have to be added like DLSS and frame generation. No indie of AA will have the time or money to put in halo software support. Pure rasterization, without DLSS and Frame gen is better mostly on AMD. Cherry on top is AMD is making their upscaler and frame generation be open source and software based. Easier to implement for devs and will work on even more older cards, even on NVIDIA's that NVIDIA has abandoned like 20 and 30 series.

 

Time's change. Right now I'd say AMD and NVIDIA are on par with each other in terms of software stability. There will come a point where AMD is more stable, then even Intel I bet.

This will be subjective and from my personal experience, I had my first AMD card be the 5600XT and it was far more stable than when I was on the NVIDIA train from the 600-900 series.

[filpo]

1 hour ago, cluelessgenius said:

4070 (~650€)

the 4070 for sure 

But you can get one for 600 euros

[CaptainQuirk26]

RTX-capable GPUs are expensive, I've always been partial to the GTX 1060. It won't run too many AAA games, but it runs everything I throw at it.

[Ripred]

Early Navi was quite unstable but last gen & current Navi is pretty solid, just works, Id say 7700xt,for less money its equal to 4070 without ray tracing but its ahead of 4060ti in raytracing except a few edge cases.