Is CL36 memory acceptable ?

[NilEoe]

Hi everyone,

I’m about to build a Ryzen 7600X-based build and purchased 32GB of G.Skill 6000MHz CL36 (36-36-36-96).

Is this latency too much, and should I return it while I still can and go for a CL30 or CL32 option instead ? I don’t mind paying up to $50 extra if the faster memory makes an actual difference.

cheers

[Somerandomtechyboi]

1 hour ago, NilEoe said:

I don’t mind paying up to $50 extra

Nope dont bother, youll still problably get hynix m/a dies you can simply tighten up the subtimings and set freq to 6200-6400 depending on imc and boom your kit is now faster than some xmp 6000c30, cl itself does next to nothing for performance but id assume the reason those low cl kits perform better is just tighter subs

 

M die will top out at around 7200 but a die goes 8000+, both will do fine for now but if you can get lower cl rams and not pay that much extra (not over 20$) or get cheap rams that are hynix a dies (apparently tforce classic 5600c46 is a die according to buildzoid in his ddr5 buying guide video) then prefer those

 

ill just summon @RONOTHAN## to clarify as i dont have much knowledge on ddr5 cause i am not interested in ddr5 atm atleast till i find dirt cheap green pcbs with good ics

[freeagent]

16 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

i am not interested in ddr5 atm atleast till i find dirt cheap green pcbs with good ics

Roughly 10 years or so.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

8 minutes ago, freeagent said:

Roughly 10 years or so.

Eh problably more like a year or 2

 

There is like 1 guy selling klevv kd5agua80-56g460a hynix a dies for like 43$ so theres the first sign but ill have to wait abit more for cheaper prices and more abundance like ddr4 and ddr3 bare pcbs

 

So far going with bare pcbs has worked out very well for me oc wise with my samsung gdies hitting 3100 and probs abit more than that if it werent for imc limit on my i7 930 but i think ill test with an updated bios tomorrow see if that helps, think an ex58 ud3r or a flaming blade/bloodrage would be the holy grail for triple channel triple stick oc cause this giga x58a ud3r outer channel tops out at a mere 2600 when the middle tops out at 3100

 

Now i need to stop forgetting about stuff and stop being lazy to progress onto ddr4 platforms and eventually ddr5 platforms cause this is gonna get boring fast and the last things i gotta do are just buying a better board for triple stick and a westmere that doesnt have a shit imc (w xeons, i7 970-990x) and thats about it for x58 oc shenanigans

[freeagent]

X58 was fun. The last hurrah for real overclocking. Right now this AM4 system will probably end up being like my X58 system, if it doesn't die. I hurt my last board, not sure how. Probably when my screwdriver slipped. Many expletives later I have this board. Luckily I have 2 kids, so I will always have a reason to upgrade 

[freeagent]

2 hours ago, NilEoe said:

Is this latency too much

Honestly, it should be fine. Just make sure its on your mobo QVL. 

 

Many people are happy with their CL18 DDR4..

[RONOTHAN##]

2 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Nope dont bother, youll still problably get hynix m/a dies you can simply tighten up the subtimings and set freq to 6200-6400 depending on imc and boom your kit is now faster than some xmp 6000c30, cl itself does next to nothing for performance but id assume the reason those low cl kits perform better is just tighter subs

No, the CL36 kits aren't going to be Hynix based, they're going to be Samsung based and they do perform worse. Realistically if you're just gonna enable XMP and call it a day though, there isn't really a noticeable performance difference between the CL36 and the CL30 kits though. 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

11 hours ago, RONOTHAN## said:

No, the CL36 kits aren't going to be Hynix based, they're going to be Samsung based and they do perform worse. Realistically if you're just gonna enable XMP and call it a day though, there isn't really a noticeable performance difference between the CL36 and the CL30 kits though. 

Ive only heard that 6000 and up arent gonna be samsung based but oh well i havent looked into ddr5 that much, have samsungs gotten any better though? Or are they still stuck with that garbage 16gbit b die that cant go much past a mere 6600mhz?

[RONOTHAN##]

Just now, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Ive only heard that 6000 and up arent gonna be samsung based

No, 6000 CL36-36-36 is about as reliable a Samsung bin as you can get. You won't find Samsung in kits above that, though in speeds above that with loose timings (6400 CL36 for instance) is Micron 24Gb B die (generally partially disabled for the 16GB sticks) and is really bad. 

 

1 minute ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

have samsungs gotten any better though? Or are they still stuck with that garbage 16gbit b die that cant go much past a mere 6600mhz?

It's still just 16Gb B die. It's not that terrible, it still does half decent subtimings timings and the frequency is enough on current gen AMD, but at the same time it's basically the same price as the Hynix kits, so you might as well just buy the Hynix based kits. 

 

If you already own it though, it's not really worth swapping.