Under performing RTX 3090?

[AEtherialSamurai]

Finally upgraded my GPU from a 2070 and picked up a used MSI 3090 Ventus 3X that looks well kept. It is getting a 1080 preset furmark score of 15000 and from what I see it should be around 20000. I am seeing the core clocks maxing out around 1000Mhz and not sure what to do about that other than MSI afterburner and do a 750+ to the core clock. Is that something that is ok, will that potentially lead to issues, is there a better way to fix the low clock speeds?

 

I know the 1080p score shows 1770 MHz but that is just a spike at the beginning and end when entering/exiting full screen or starting the test (not sure exactly what causes the spike).  Watching the core clock during the test it bounces wildly between 915 and 1005.  GPU temps max at 60C and have a Corsair Platinum 750W PSU.

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https://gpumagick.com/scores/?benchmarkid=0&sorting=0&vendorid=0&gpuid=0&preset=2160

 

Looks pretty normal here.

[AEtherialSamurai]

9 minutes ago, si1enze said:

https://gpumagick.com/scores/?benchmarkid=0&sorting=0&vendorid=0&gpuid=0&preset=2160

 

Looks pretty normal here.

These are some numbers I was finding in another post and from my understanding the 3090 should beat a 3080Ti and a 3080 and yet...

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/poag2j/underperforming_3090/

and

 

[Guest]

There are also 3080s getting about 8200-8500 at 1440p.

 

Have you tried with the newest version?  You're on 1.31, there is 1.36 now.

 

I would try more than just Furmark - have you tried any 3dmark benches?

[Guest]

7600x and 3090 4k 5,568..

 

https://gpumagick.com/scores/show.php?id=3155

 

[AEtherialSamurai]

5 minutes ago, si1enze said:

There are also 3080s getting about 8200-8500 at 1440p.

 

Have you tried with the newest version?  You're on 1.31, there is 1.36 now.

 

I would try more than just Furmark - have you tried any 3dmark benches?

Will update and try again.  I do not have steam but there have been other software exclusively on it so I may finally go ahead and make an account for that.  Been using furmark for years but been getting the feeling it is a lot less used now days.

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1 minute ago, AEtherialSamurai said:

Will update and try again.  I do not have steam but there have been other software exclusively on it so I may finally go ahead and make an account for that.

Steam is great!

[Mick Naughty]

Does it work in real world or are you just chasing a number?

[AEtherialSamurai]

12 minutes ago, si1enze said:

Have you tried with the newest version?  You're on 1.31, there is 1.36 now.

posting for future readers but updating versions still gave identical score though was now running at 850 to 930 MHz any thoughts as to why so low?  base clock should be 1395

 

 

27 minutes ago, si1enze said:

7600x and 3090 4k 5,568..

 

https://gpumagick.com/scores/show.php?id=3155

 

I know there is quite a range of scores for each gpu but shouldnt it be getting a much higher score over my 2070?  It's a full generation and 2 tiers higher and only getting 30% better score.  I would expect a 3070 to have gap like that with the 2070 not a 3090

 

 

1 hour ago, si1enze said:

I would try more than just Furmark - have you tried any 3dmark benches?

just bought 3dmark and ran a few tests there and it looks a bit better though still lower than average.

[AEtherialSamurai]

26 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

Does it work in real world or are you just chasing a number?

it is "working" though just trying to see how well with benchmarks.  Its only getting about 30% better than my 2070 and from what all I see, the 3070 should be doing that so the 3090 should be much higher.   core clocks are low and wondering why.  afterburner shows core clocks never going much over 1000MHZ under load, it will spike to 1700 every once in a while when not doing anything (assume background tasks).

[Mick Naughty]

24 minutes ago, AEtherialSamurai said:

it is "working" though just trying to see how well with benchmarks.  Its only getting about 30% better than my 2070 and from what all I see, the 3070 should be doing that so the 3090 should be much higher.   core clocks are low and wondering why.  afterburner shows core clocks never going much over 1000MHZ under load, it will spike to 1700 every once in a while when not doing anything (assume background tasks).

Not knowing the version, should be able to see the limits in the software. Could have been flashed as well.

[AEtherialSamurai]

4 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

Not knowing the version, should be able to see the limits in the software. Could have been flashed as well.

by version do you mean it being a MSI RTX 3090 Ventus 3X?  I guess i missed that part in the OP.

[igormp]

Can you take a look at GPU-Z while running those tests and see under the performance tab what it says it's the limiting factor of the GPU?

 

Also, take a look at memory and other temperature sensors.

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@AEtherialSamurai Just to cover the very basics, have you tried uninstalling the video driver/using DDU/installing the newest driver?  Is the performance mode under 3D settings in the nvidia control panel set to 'prefer maximum performance' ?  If so and the clocks/watts are still like that I'd be checking if the correct BIOS is on it.

[AEtherialSamurai]

Thanks for the help with this.  used to go to reddit for stuff and asked this same question there but all it got was 900 views and one down vote. in this forum i learned things i never knew about within a couple hours.

 

 

On 9/12/2023 at 10:08 PM, igormp said:

Can you take a look at GPU-Z while running those tests and see under the performance tab what it says it's the limiting factor of the GPU?

 

Also, take a look at memory and other temperature sensors.

never used gpuz before, is the sensors tab the one you mean you mean?  this is under load with furmark.  It is a 350W card so should have 35W spare there and thermals look ok.

 

 

 

On 9/12/2023 at 10:53 PM, si1enze said:

@AEtherialSamurai Just to cover the very basics, have you tried uninstalling the video driver/using DDU/installing the newest driver?  Is the performance mode under 3D settings in the nvidia control panel set to 'prefer maximum performance' ?  If so and the clocks/watts are still like that I'd be checking if the correct BIOS is on it.

I did run DDU before installing latest drivers.  had a 2070 in the pc before this new one so didnt think i would need to since going from nvidia to nvidia but figured it couldnt hurt.  I did not know about the performance thing in the control panel but i switched it to performance and there was no change.

Never messed with graphics card bios before.  got any good videos or channels i could look to for starters?  if not ill do some searching when i get a chance

[igormp]

8 hours ago, AEtherialSamurai said:

never used gpuz before, is the sensors tab the one you mean you mean?  this is under load with furmark.  It is a 350W card so should have 35W spare there and thermals look ok.

 

Thermals do look great. If you scroll down a bit in that tab there should be a perfcap reason or something like that.

[AEtherialSamurai]

13 hours ago, igormp said:

Thermals do look great. If you scroll down a bit in that tab there should be a perfcap reason or something like that.

Says Pwr, VRel.  didnt expect power to show up as its only hitting 315W of the 350W max.  I guess its just a theoretical and cards may not actually hit it?  Not a clue what VRel is though. Those temps were at max fan speed.  never seen a card run so hot at idle but not overheat under load.  Stock fan curve it sits around 60C at idle.  Set a more aggressive custom curve to help my ssd right behind it as the back plate has a copper layer between it and the card to help dissipate heat out the back but that means it gets real hot to the touch.

 

On another note I am seeing performance in game more like I would have expected.  RT Minecraft was only getting around 40fps the other day but is now getting 70.  Dont play games much anymore and dont have others installed so thats all i can really test outside of benchmarks.  Furmark still not doing well but maybe its just something to do with newer cards, it never will get over 1000MHz core clock while running it.

 

Im happy with where it is now and will consider this solved unless you have other thoughts or anything else I can look into.  Gonna look into updating the card bios and rebar for starters.

[igormp]

4 minutes ago, AEtherialSamurai said:

Says Pwr, VRel.  didnt expect power to show up as its only hitting 315W of the 350W max.  I guess its just a theoretical and cards may not actually hit it?  Not a clue what VRel is though. Those temps were at max fan speed.  never seen a card run so hot at idle but not overheat under load.  Stock fan curve it sits around 60C at idle.  Set a more aggressive custom curve to help my ssd right behind it as the back plate has a copper layer between it and the card to help dissipate heat out the back but that means it gets real hot to the touch.

 

On another note I am seeing performance in game more like I would have expected.  RT Minecraft was only getting around 40fps the other day but is now getting 70.  Dont play games much anymore and dont have others installed so thats all i can really test outside of benchmarks.  Furmark still not doing well but maybe its just something to do with newer cards, it never will get over 1000MHz core clock while running it.

 

Im happy with where it is now and will consider this solved unless you have other thoughts or anything else I can look into.  Gonna look into updating the card bios and rebar for starters.

May just be a furmark issue, it's meant to really stress out all components and doesn't realy represent real world usage.

 

If your games are working fine and other applications are delivering the expected performance, then I'd say it's good.

 

As for the idle temps, isn't it just stopping the fan? Most GPUs nowadays leave the fans off while idle.

[Mick Naughty]

The right cables being used? It’s gonna say those for a reason regardless if the card is cool enough. 
But still no reason to run at half the core clock. Mine sits at 1958 I think,

same limits. 

[Imprezzion]

Furmark gets automatically throttled with Nvidia. 

 

Check the core clocks in MSI AB or GPU-Z while playing a game. It should be above 1700.