UPS Recommendations?

[BotherRed]

I've made a post about this once before, but I would like to make another one as I have a confirmed list of parts now.

I would like UPS for the safety and security that comes with having one, and I'd like the peace of mind of having it as I will have to update the bios on the motherboard I have to get the full performance out of my X3D CPU. 

My parts list includes: TX-1600 from Seasonic, X670E Arous MB, Ryzen 9 7950X3D,  RTX 3090 from MSI, 2x48GB Vengeance DDR5, 1x 2TB SSD, 2x 1TB SSD, Two Noctua fans that come with the NH-D15, and several fans that come with the Fractal Torrent, as well as 2 LG 27GR95QE-B

[GuiltySpark_]

Very happy with my CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD. 

 

Primary display and PC running off the battery ports and it'll run my system at idle for an estimated 40-45 minutes. More than enough time to shut the PC down gracefully. (7900x/4090/LG C2). 

[BotherRed]

4 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

Very happy with my CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD. 

 

Primary display and PC running off the battery ports and it'll run my system at idle for an estimated 40-45 minutes. More than enough time to shut the PC down gracefully. (7900x/4090/LG C2). 

Isn't there something about needing to match the power delivery of the UPS to the power consumption of the PSU? 

I'm not as well versed in stuff about UPS as well; it isn't as flashy as a new CPU or GPU or treated as critical as Ram or Storage, so it just doesn't get covered as much. 

[GuiltySpark_]

10 minutes ago, BotherRed said:

Isn't there something about needing to match the power delivery of the UPS to the power consumption of the PSU? 

I'm not as well versed in stuff about UPS as well; it isn't as flashy as a new CPU or GPU or treated as critical as Ram or Storage, so it just doesn't get covered as much. 

 

No? This UPS can delivery 1000W of power and you don't want to overdraw it, however the parts you listed definitely will not do that. You bought a PSU that's extreme overkill for your parts and under full gaming loads would assume you're closer to 550-600W. 

 

There battery backup and just normal surge protected ports on this UPS and only my PC and display are plugged into the battery backup ports. Everything else non-essential to the surge protected ports. 

[Agall]

13 minutes ago, BotherRed said:

Isn't there something about needing to match the power delivery of the UPS to the power consumption of the PSU? 

I'm not as well versed in stuff about UPS as well; it isn't as flashy as a new CPU or GPU or treated as critical as Ram or Storage, so it just doesn't get covered as much. 

A UPS just needs to have its load below a certain maximum, something I usually assume to be a power factor of 0.6 relative to its actual power rating. So a 1500VA UPS I'd assume to have a true power rating of 900W. If the draw is above that maximum the UPS is designed for, it'll beep at you. Otherwise, a line-interactive UPS can simply act as a surge protector for some loads and as an actual UPS for others, if lets say you don't want your 100W amp for your computer speakers being on battery backup (I don't). 

 

If it puts a quantity to it, my system under full overclock is over 700W of draw, total UPS draw with my networking and monitor being 800W. I can have the breaker trip that my PC is on and in the ~30sec it takes for me to reset the breaker, not have my system shutoff. It will get the UPS down to like 20% though, so its still <1 minute of uptime with that heavy of a load. I use the APC 1500W, where I'd recommend getting at least a 1200W for your system.

 

You can use the UPS for this sort of use case, or you can have it perform an auto shutdown. For a gaming PC, I wouldn't. For a server or workstation, its a good idea, since a UPS is really designed to allow for a safe shutdown, not to allow extended operation on battery.

[Dedayog]

21 minutes ago, BotherRed said:

I've made a post about this once before, but I would like to make another one as I have a confirmed list of parts now.

I would like UPS for the safety and security that comes with having one, and I'd like the peace of mind of having it as I will have to update the bios on the motherboard I have to get the full performance out of my X3D CPU. 

My parts list includes: TX-1600 from Seasonic, X670E Arous MB, Ryzen 9 7950X3D,  RTX 3090 from MSI, 2x48GB Vengeance DDR5, 1x 2TB SSD, 2x 1TB SSD, Two Noctua fans that come with the NH-D15, and several fans that come with the Fractal Torrent, as well as 2 LG 27GR95QE-B

For your X3D CPU, are you aware that the X3D aspect is only on 1 CCD?  Are you in need of a 7950X as well?  Maybe look at the 7800X3D if you're just interested in the X3D aspect.  May be misunderstanding your emphasis though.

[Agall]

1 minute ago, Dedayog said:

For your X3D CPU, are you aware that the X3D aspect is only on 1 CCD?  Are you in need of a 7950X as well?  Maybe look at the 7800X3D if you're just interested in the X3D aspect.  May be misunderstanding your emphasis though.

The argument for the 7950x3D is only getting better. I'm currently doing thermal testing with an 8+0 configuration again and I'm not seeing much advantage regarding power draw, performance, and thermodynamics. Having more threads to better multithread in some applications allows for better boosting characteristics and its maybe another +20W on average to have CCD1 enabled. Just CCD0 for all of yesterday playing Diablo 4 or Warframe had an average of 45W on the pseudo 7800XT3D configuration which is impressive, but compared to ~+20W to get double the multithreading at nearly the same gaming performance, its hard to argue against having as an option. ~4.55GHz all core average on clock speeds as well.

 

I'd argue even for the 7900x3D in a 6+0 configuration for someone who may need the extra cores sometimes or want them for the future. Then just enabling them in the UEFI when needed. I'll likely test this next, running a 6c/12t CCD0 configuration again long term in gaming to see average clocks and power draw.

[BotherRed]

43 minutes ago, Agall said:

A UPS just needs to have its load below a certain maximum, something I usually assume to be a power factor of 0.6 relative to its actual power rating. So a 1500VA UPS I'd assume to have a true power rating of 900W. If the draw is above that maximum the UPS is designed for, it'll beep at you. Otherwise, a line-interactive UPS can simply act as a surge protector for some loads and as an actual UPS for others, if lets say you don't want your 100W amp for your computer speakers being on battery backup (I don't). 

 

If it puts a quantity to it, my system under full overclock is over 700W of draw, total UPS draw with my networking and monitor being 800W. I can have the breaker trip that my PC is on and in the ~30sec it takes for me to reset the breaker, not have my system shutoff. It will get the UPS down to like 20% though, so its still <1 minute of uptime with that heavy of a load. I use the APC 1500W, where I'd recommend getting at least a 1200W for your system.

 

You can use the UPS for this sort of use case, or you can have it perform an auto shutdown. For a gaming PC, I wouldn't. For a server or workstation, its a good idea, since a UPS is really designed to allow for a safe shutdown, not to allow extended operation on battery.

Thank you for this, it's quite helpful 

[CanadianJet]

I have APC and Cyberpower in my work office, both work great. The APC's we have had for 5+ years (the battery had to be switch on one of them, but it let us know), and the Cyberpower's have been around for 2 years with no issues and several power outages. 

[Dedayog]

1 hour ago, Agall said:

The argument for the 7950x3D is only getting better. I'm currently doing thermal testing with an 8+0 configuration again and I'm not seeing much advantage regarding power draw, performance, and thermodynamics. Having more threads to better multithread in some applications allows for better boosting characteristics and its maybe another +20W on average to have CCD1 enabled. Just CCD0 for all of yesterday playing Diablo 4 or Warframe had an average of 45W on the pseudo 7800XT3D configuration which is impressive, but compared to ~+20W to get double the multithreading at nearly the same gaming performance, its hard to argue against having as an option. ~4.55GHz all core average on clock speeds as well.

 

I'd argue even for the 7900x3D in a 6+0 configuration for someone who may need the extra cores sometimes or want them for the future. Then just enabling them in the UEFI when needed. I'll likely test this next, running a 6c/12t CCD0 configuration again long term in gaming to see average clocks and power draw.

I get that,  and that's why I was hoping for some more info from the OP.    I've devoured your X3D breakdown from months ago, very helpful.

 

If he needs the extra cores for productivity, sure.  But for 99.999% of the populace, the 7800X3D is the epitome of gaming and can handle everything else we do without issue.  No need to spend more for something unused.

 

[HarryNyquist]

I use either the APC Back-UPS Pro 1500 S or the Back-UPS 1500 depending on if I absolutely need the sine wave functionality or not. Very pleased with them both, though I will say I am NOT pleased with their software, PowerChute, which tends to make Windows think that my $5k desktop computer has magically become a laptop.

[Agall]

1 hour ago, Dedayog said:

I get that,  and that's why I was hoping for some more info from the OP.    I've devoured your X3D breakdown from months ago, very helpful.

 

If he needs the extra cores for productivity, sure.  But for 99.999% of the populace, the 7800X3D is the epitome of gaming and can handle everything else we do without issue.  No need to spend more for something unused.

 

I agree, a 7600x3D would be even better, especially given how successful the 5600x3D was in benchmarks. I'll likely change to a 6c/12t CCD0 configuration when I get home, but I'll want to look again at which cores are best, probably disabling #5,7 (starts at 0) if I remember correctly off the top of my head.

 

I honestly got the 7950x3D because I like to do this weird testing, and I get close to outrunning the 7800x3D configuration all the time by doing a gross amount of multitasking. Its also a perfect chip to make a 1:1 comparison between 3D v-cache and not, which we haven't seen much testing on from mainstream outlets yet. Most have just brushed the 7900x3D and 7950x3D as dumb products for halo customers where there's a lot of content they have yet to squeeze out of doing some of the stuff I play around with but in a more official setting.

[BotherRed]

On 7/31/2023 at 11:53 AM, Dedayog said:

I get that,  and that's why I was hoping for some more info from the OP.    I've devoured your X3D breakdown from months ago, very helpful.

 

If he needs the extra cores for productivity, sure.  But for 99.999% of the populace, the 7800X3D is the epitome of gaming and can handle everything else we do without issue.  No need to spend more for something unused.

 

I do plan on doing a balance of gaming and creation. It is why I went with the one that I did. If I wanted purely gaming, having 7800X3D would make more sense, but I want those extra cores.