It's my first ever build and I need help!!!

[Kevin Ramirez]

Budget (including currency): 3.5K-3.7k USD

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Valorant, Fortnite, Spiderman, Cyberpunk, God of War, etc

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

Will this parts list be good enough for me to be able to play games at 1440p and 240hz? If not what should I change in order to be able to do so at the desired 1440p and refresh rate? I've been doing some  research, but I'm still unsure. Please help. Anything I could swap something out with for better speed, while still being withing budget is welcomed .
      

CPU        
AMD Ryzen 9 7900X 4.7 GHz 12-Core Processor
CPU Cooler        
Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE LCD XT 65.57 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler    
Motherboard        
Gigabyte B650 AORUS PRO AX ATX AM5 Motherboard    
Memory        
Corsair Vengeance RGB 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL40 Memory
Storage        
Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive
Video Card        
Asus ROG STRIX GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card
Case        
Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO ATX Mid Tower Case 
Power Supply        
Corsair RM1000x (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

Monitor Innocn 27G1S 1440p 240hz

[Why_Me]

You went way overkill on the RAM. It's easier to get your rated speeds with 32GB than it is with 64GB. Also I would look at a case with better airflow. This gives you an SSD for your O/S and another one for storage.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i7-13700F 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($349.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool AG620 BK ARGB 67.88 CFM CPU Cooler  ($54.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: *MSI PRO Z790-A WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($239.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: *G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory  ($107.33 @ Amazon) 
Storage: *Samsung 980 Pro 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($59.99 @ Adorama) 
Storage: *Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($109.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: *MSI GAMING X TRIO GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card  ($1629.99 @ B&H) 
Case: *Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ Adorama) 
Power Supply: *MSI A1000G PCIE5 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($194.40 @ Amazon) 
Operating System: *Microsoft Windows 11 Home OEM - DVD 64-bit  ($117.98 @ Other World Computing) 
Total: $2954.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-24 22:36 EDT-0400

 

A better look at those components.

 

https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-216/

 

https://www.msi.com/Power-Supply/MPG-A1000G-PCIE5  

 

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-Z790-A-WIFI  

 

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/230491/intel-core-i713700f-processor-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html  

 

https://www.deepcool.com/products/Cooling/cpuaircoolers/AG620-BK-ARGB-Dual-Tower-CPU-Cooler-1700-AM5/2022/16082.shtml  

 

https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-RTX-4090-GAMING-X-TRIO-24G 

[Kevin Ramirez]

6 minutes ago, Why_Me said:

You went way overkill on the RAM. It's easier to get your rated speeds with 32GB than it is with 64GB. Also I would look at a case with better airflow. This gives you an SSD for your O/S and another one for storage.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i7-13700F 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($349.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool AG620 BK ARGB 67.88 CFM CPU Cooler  ($54.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: *MSI PRO Z790-A WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($239.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: *G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory  ($107.33 @ Amazon) 
Storage: *Samsung 980 Pro 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($59.99 @ Adorama) 
Storage: *Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($109.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: *MSI GAMING X TRIO GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card  ($1629.99 @ B&H) 
Case: *Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ Adorama) 
Power Supply: *MSI A1000G PCIE5 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($194.40 @ Amazon) 
Operating System: *Microsoft Windows 11 Home OEM - DVD 64-bit  ($117.98 @ Other World Computing) 
Total: $2954.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-24 22:36 EDT-0400

 

A better look at those components.

 

https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-216/

 

https://www.msi.com/Power-Supply/MPG-A1000G-PCIE5  

 

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-Z790-A-WIFI  

 

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/230491/intel-core-i713700f-processor-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html  

 

https://www.deepcool.com/products/Cooling/cpuaircoolers/AG620-BK-ARGB-Dual-Tower-CPU-Cooler-1700-AM5/2022/16082.shtml  

 

https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-RTX-4090-GAMING-X-TRIO-24G 

Thank you so much for the tips. Would you say that the cpu I selected isn’t sufficient for 1440p 240hz gaming?

[SorryBella]

21 minutes ago, Kevin Ramirez said:

Thank you so much for the tips. Would you say that the cpu I selected isn’t sufficient for 1440p 240hz gaming?

Should be fine, but at this budget we can go for the flagship of flagships.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($441.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($35.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($179.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($104.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($97.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Zotac GAMING Trinity OC GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card  ($1599.00 @ Amazon) 
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ Adorama) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($119.00 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2667.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-24 23:10 EDT-0400

[Why_Me]

37 minutes ago, Kevin Ramirez said:

Thank you so much for the tips. Would you say that the cpu I selected isn’t sufficient for 1440p 240hz gaming?

The 13700 or 7800X3D are both superior in regards to gaming cpu's.

[Kevin Ramirez]

I've updated my parts list, will this be plenty to able to run any games and possibly streaming?

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($441.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE LCD XT 65.57 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($289.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO X670-P WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($199.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6200 CL36 Memory  ($164.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($119.99 @ Adorama) 
Video Card: Asus ROG STRIX GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card  ($1929.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: NZXT H9 Flow ATX Mid Tower Case  ($159.99 @ Best Buy) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM1000x (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($169.99 @ Amazon) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro OEM - DVD 64-bit  ($144.99 @ Other World Computing) 
Total: $3620.92 

[QuantumSingularity]

Since budget isn't super tight and allows for really top shelf stuff, i went out and made it a bit of an overkill, but basically best of the best of the best:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($441.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 420 72.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($136.29 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG X670E TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($309.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($209.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: MSI SPATIUM M570 HS 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 5.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($289.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($269.99 @ Adorama) 
Video Card: MSI SUPRIM X GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card  ($1749.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Phanteks ECLIPSE G500A Performance ATX Mid Tower Case  ($139.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic PRIME PX-1300 1300 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($291.92 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: Noctua A14 PWM 82.5 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($23.95 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: Noctua A14 PWM 82.5 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($23.95 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: Noctua A14 PWM 82.5 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($23.95 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: Noctua A14 PWM 82.5 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($23.95 @ Amazon) 
Total: $3934.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-25 11:06 EDT-0400

 

7800X3D - the best gaming CPU on the market currently;

Motherboard - went with an X670E one, not b650, so more of the sweet sweet PCI lanes are available. More than excellent power delivery for a CPU like the 7800X3D as well.

Cooling - went a bit overkill as well for the CPU, but much "cool-er" cooler - you certainly won't see this one on many other rigs.

Memory - budget can afford 64GB so 2x32GB of the sweet spot memory - 6000MHz and CL30 with EXPO, not XPM.

Storage - this is where i overspent quite a bit, but on purpose. Gen5 drive to fit in the gen5 m.2 slot for system and the best gaming NVMe drive currently - the SN850X at 4TB.

GPU - 4090 is the best gaming GPU currently and the Suprim X from MSI is the best of the air cooled 4090s. So best of the best.

Case - absolutely astonishing value for a case that can support simultaneously 420mm AND a 360mm radiators;

PSU - when budget isn't super tight, i always put additional reserve on the power. 1300W is just PERFECT for the 4090. Plus the difference between Gold and Platinum rating is just $10. And SeaSonic is the brand i trust the most.

And last fans - i am usually not a big fan of spending so much here, especially when a 5-pack of Arctic P14s can be had for 1/3 of the price, BUT the Noctua fans are the difference between ALMOST completely silent and COMPLETELY silent. 3 of those on top and one in the back all as exhaust, while the rad is mounted front as intake and you won't be able to tell if that system is turned on. 

 

This is almost exactly my dream setup. The only difference is that i would go for a custom water cooled loop (and a really crazy one with 3 radiators), but that's a whole another bag of crazy cats.

[Kevin Ramirez]

36 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

Since budget isn't super tight and allows for really top shelf stuff, i went out and made it a bit of an overkill, but basically best of the best of the best:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($441.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 420 72.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($136.29 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG X670E TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($309.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($209.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: MSI SPATIUM M570 HS 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 5.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($289.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($269.99 @ Adorama) 
Video Card: MSI SUPRIM X GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card  ($1749.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Phanteks ECLIPSE G500A Performance ATX Mid Tower Case  ($139.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic PRIME PX-1300 1300 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($291.92 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: Noctua A14 PWM 82.5 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($23.95 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: Noctua A14 PWM 82.5 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($23.95 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: Noctua A14 PWM 82.5 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($23.95 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: Noctua A14 PWM 82.5 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($23.95 @ Amazon) 
Total: $3934.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-25 11:06 EDT-0400

 

7800X3D - the best gaming CPU on the market currently;

Motherboard - went with an X670E one, not b650, so more of the sweet sweet PCI lanes are available. More than excellent power delivery for a CPU like the 7800X3D as well.

Cooling - went a bit overkill as well for the CPU, but much "cool-er" cooler - you certainly won't see this one on many other rigs.

Memory - budget can afford 64GB so 2x32GB of the sweet spot memory - 6000MHz and CL30 with EXPO, not XPM.

Storage - this is where i overspent quite a bit, but on purpose. Gen5 drive to fit in the gen5 m.2 slot for system and the best gaming NVMe drive currently - the SN850X at 4TB.

GPU - 4090 is the best gaming GPU currently and the Suprim X from MSI is the best of the air cooled 4090s. So best of the best.

Case - absolutely astonishing value for a case that can support simultaneously 420mm AND a 360mm radiators;

PSU - when budget isn't super tight, i always put additional reserve on the power. 1300W is just PERFECT for the 4090. Plus the difference between Gold and Platinum rating is just $10. And SeaSonic is the brand i trust the most.

And last fans - i am usually not a big fan of spending so much here, especially when a 5-pack of Arctic P14s can be had for 1/3 of the price, BUT the Noctua fans are the difference between ALMOST completely silent and COMPLETELY silent. 3 of those on top and one in the back all as exhaust, while the rad is mounted front as intake and you won't be able to tell if that system is turned on. 

 

This is almost exactly my dream setup. The only difference is that i would go for a custom water cooled loop (and a really crazy one with 3 radiators), but that's a whole another bag of crazy cats.

I really appreciate your advice. What would you swap out so that the budget meet 3.7k?

[filpo]

8 minutes ago, Kevin Ramirez said:

I really appreciate your advice. What would you swap out so that the budget meet 3.7k?

Cost compression of @QuantumSingularity's build to fit in budget

Btw there's no need to add so many fans as the pc case comes with 4 fans so four of any of the fans would be e waste. The fans in the p500a aren't terrible

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WsvxZw

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($441.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 420 A-RGB 68.9 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($151.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte X670 AORUS ELITE AX (rev. 1.0) ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($279.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($209.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($119.99 @ Adorama) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($269.99 @ Adorama) 
Video Card: MSI SUPRIM X GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card  ($1749.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL III RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  ($147.99 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: MSI A1000G PCIE5 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($192.83 @ Amazon) 
Total: $3563.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-25 11:50 EDT-0400

[QuantumSingularity]

16 minutes ago, Kevin Ramirez said:

I really appreciate your advice. What would you swap out so that the budget meet 3.7k?

Certainly the storage. It's by far the thing where is overspent the most for the least performance gain. It will then look like this:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($441.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 420 72.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($136.29 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG X670E TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($309.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($214.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($97.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($97.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: MSI SUPRIM X GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card  ($1749.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Phanteks ECLIPSE G500A Performance ATX Mid Tower Case  ($139.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic PRIME PX-1300 1300 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($290.94 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: Noctua A14 PWM 82.5 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($23.95 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: Noctua A14 PWM 82.5 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($23.95 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: Noctua A14 PWM 82.5 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($23.95 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: Noctua A14 PWM 82.5 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($23.95 @ Amazon) 
Total: $3574.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-25 11:50 EDT-0400

 

Although both drives are Gen 4, there won't be any loss of performance or frames. The difference will be only visible during synthetic write/read tests and no actual application yet can take advantage of this blazing fast interface. 

If you further want to shrink the bill w/o sacrificing performance you can chose 2x16GB for a total of 32GB  of memory instead of 64GB

G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB 32 GB

and switch the Noctua fans with a single 5-pack value pack with Arctic P14s 

ARCTIC P14 PST 5-Pack

 

but as i said - changing the fans would mean the difference between ALMOST silent and COMPLETELY silent. Noctua fans are expensive for a reason. Not many people can actually assimilate the difference. The Arctic fans are extremely good, they are just not the best. They are High Tier, but Noctua's are TOP TIER. There is literally nothing better than Noctua when it comes to fans. That's why they cost 3 times more than the rest.

[QuantumSingularity]

32 minutes ago, filpo said:

Cost compression of @QuantumSingularity's build to fit in budget

Btw there's no need to add so many fans as 1. The pc case comes with 4 fans and 2. The 7800X3D has an aio at the front filling it up and the gpu has a 240 rad which will be mounted at the top so there will only be 2 places for fans so in total 6 of the fans would have been wasted

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WsvxZw

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($441.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 420 A-RGB 68.9 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($151.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte X670 AORUS ELITE AX (rev. 1.0) ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($279.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($209.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($119.99 @ Adorama) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($269.99 @ Adorama) 
Video Card: MSI SUPRIM X GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card  ($1749.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL III RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  ($147.99 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: MSI A1000G PCIE5 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($192.83 @ Amazon) 
Total: $3563.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-25 11:50 EDT-0400

The Gigabyte mobo comes with just slightly better power delivery with 16+2+2 @ 70A VRMS, while the Tomahawk is 14+2+1 at 80A. Both are way more than what the 7800X3D can max, so no problem there. The Aorus Elite though doesn't have PCIe gen5 x16 slot. The Tomahawk does. This still doesn't matter, but it might once the RTX 5000 GPUs come out and Path Tracing starts to become a thing. As for the PSU - it's alright, but i am always at slight unease when i build right next to the limits. The 4090 is an extremely powerful GPU. It can draw 890W ALONE during transient spikes, which shouldn't be problem for a 1000W PSU, but i certainly prefer to have the additional headroom if the budget allows it.

[filpo]

1 minute ago, QuantumSingularity said:

The Tomahawk does. This still doesn't matter, but it might one the RTX 5000 GPUs come out

i think pcie 5.0 for the gpu will be the same as pcie 5.0 was for storage as well as the uplift that pcie 3.0 was for 30 series. Negligible

 

1 minute ago, QuantumSingularity said:

Path Tracing starts to become a thing

even enthusiasts won't see a reason for it as it gives such a little visual difference

 

1 minute ago, QuantumSingularity said:

The 4090 is extremely powerful GPU. It can draw 809W ALONE during transient spikes, which shouldn't be problem for a 1000W PSU, but i certainly prefer to have the additional headroom if the budget allows it.

Really? the 4090 is actually very efficient (like the whole 40 series) Linus even got it to run on a 750w AND a 650w psu at stock (though the 650w psu was struggling)

 

The 4090 at max does pull a lot of power but it's transient spikes weren't anywhere near as intense as the ones from the 30 series

it's spikes are only up to 1.5x which is still bad yes but not as bad as the 3090 which was upwards of 2 and even 2.5x

From 12:30

[QuantumSingularity]

Yes, it's efficient AND the power delivery isn't as wild as it was on the 3090, but it's still a 450W GPU, which has the ability to work at 600W sustained and 1.5X transient spike isn't as bad as 2.5X, but at 600W sustained, this is 900W from the GPU alone. Steve also made it clear that the spikes with the 4090 are peaking lower, but are sustained for longer. Also he tested a reference design board, while AIB cards have much more robust power delivery. With the right VBIOS and/or driver updates, this GPU would suck 600W regularly. 

[Kevin Ramirez]

Would this revision be good?

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KZ7jjZ

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($441.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 420 A-RGB 68.9 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($151.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte X670 AORUS ELITE AX (rev. 1.0) ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($279.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6200 CL36 Memory  ($164.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($119.99 @ Adorama) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($269.99 @ Adorama) 
Video Card: MSI SUPRIM X GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card  ($1749.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL III ATX Mid Tower Case  ($137.99 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: MSI A1000G PCIE5 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($192.83 @ Amazon) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro OEM - DVD 64-bit  ($144.99 @ Other World Computing) 
Total: $3653.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-25 12:57 EDT-0400

[filpo]

2 minutes ago, Kevin Ramirez said:

Would this revision be good?

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KZ7jjZ

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($441.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 420 A-RGB 68.9 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($151.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte X670 AORUS ELITE AX (rev. 1.0) ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($279.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6200 CL36 Memory  ($164.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($119.99 @ Adorama) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($269.99 @ Adorama) 
Video Card: MSI SUPRIM X GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card  ($1749.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL III ATX Mid Tower Case  ($137.99 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: MSI A1000G PCIE5 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($192.83 @ Amazon) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro OEM - DVD 64-bit  ($144.99 @ Other World Computing) 
Total: $3653.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-25 12:57 EDT-0400

Swap that ram to 5600 cl28 or 6000 cl30 and get a windows license off this website Buy MS Windows 10 Home OEM CD-KEY GLOBAL at scdkey.com

[Kevin Ramirez]

5 minutes ago, filpo said:

Swap that ram to 5600 cl28 or 6000 cl30 and get a windows license off this website Buy MS Windows 10 Home OEM CD-KEY GLOBAL at scdkey.com

Is the 6200 not faster? 
And is that site trustworthy? Almost looks too good to be true

[filpo]

16 minutes ago, Kevin Ramirez said:

And is that site trustworthy? Almost looks too good to be true

yes it is. if you don't think it is then just get the win 11 for 100 bucks

 

16 minutes ago, Kevin Ramirez said:

s the 6200 not faster? 

not for am5. For am5 the best ram you can get for gaming is 5600 cl28

[Kevin Ramirez]

1 hour ago, filpo said:

yes it is. if you don't think it is then just get the win 11 for 100 bucks

 

not for am5. For am5 the best ram you can get for gaming is 5600 cl28

I'll take your word for it my internet angel

 

And thank you again for the information, I'll swap the 6200 for the 5600 cl28

[Kevin Ramirez]

Thank you for the advice.

I ended up going with this list because the case I wanted could only fit a 360mm radiator and it's just personal preference that I wanted an RGB liquid cooling (If someone can recommend me one that's cheaper with the same or better performance that the Corsair, that has the same measurements and adjustable RGB, please let me know)

I took the advice on the storage. 

The motherboard, I believe this one better fits my budget as I really don't want to touch 3.8K and I like having two USB C ports

My goal is to be able to play any games at 1440p 240hz along with multitasking, but none of the other programs I use are heavy.

I'm not sure what fans to get or how many to get that are RGB but not really loud. It doesn't need to be dead silent, but something affordable.

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CVfznt

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($441.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE LCD XT 65.57 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($289.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO X670-P WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($199.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($159.99 @ Corsair) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($119.99 @ Adorama) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($269.99 @ Adorama) 
Video Card: MSI SUPRIM X GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card  ($1749.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: NZXT H9 Flow ATX Mid Tower Case  ($159.99 @ Best Buy) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM1000x (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($169.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $3560.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-25 15:58 EDT-0400

[QuantumSingularity]

2 hours ago, Kevin Ramirez said:

Thank you for the advice.

I ended up going with this list because the case I wanted could only fit a 360mm radiator and it's just personal preference that I wanted an RGB liquid cooling (If someone can recommend me one that's cheaper with the same or better performance that the Corsair, that has the same measurements and adjustable RGB, please let me know)

I took the advice on the storage. 

The motherboard, I believe this one better fits my budget as I really don't want to touch 3.8K and I like having two USB C ports

My goal is to be able to play any games at 1440p 240hz along with multitasking, but none of the other programs I use are heavy.

I'm not sure what fans to get or how many to get that are RGB but not really loud. It doesn't need to be dead silent, but something affordable.

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CVfznt

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($441.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE LCD XT 65.57 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($289.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO X670-P WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($199.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($159.99 @ Corsair) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($119.99 @ Adorama) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($269.99 @ Adorama) 
Video Card: MSI SUPRIM X GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card  ($1749.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: NZXT H9 Flow ATX Mid Tower Case  ($159.99 @ Best Buy) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM1000x (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($169.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $3560.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-25 15:58 EDT-0400

I only fitted the SN850X because it was a flex. Not necesery at all to get it. For the price of that single 4TB drive, you can get 3x2TB Crucial P5s which are actually better for both performance AND longetivity thanks to their DRAM controller and cache. If you want the best possible value, then the system would look like this:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($441.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 420 A-RGB 68.9 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($151.88 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG X670E TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($309.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($214.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($97.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($97.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($97.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: MSI SUPRIM X GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card  ($1699.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Phanteks ECLIPSE G500A Performance ATX Mid Tower Case  ($139.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic PRIME PX-1300 1300 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($290.44 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P14 PST 72.8 CFM 140 mm Fans 5-Pack  ($39.79 @ Amazon) 
Total: $3582.04
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-25 18:28 EDT-0400\

 

You still keep the kickass motherboard, now the AIO is A-RGB, still 6TB of fast storage, still perfect supply and case and the best price to performance fans. As for the H9 Flow case - my suggestion is if you aren't 100% sure about it and you actually want that exact case with extreme desire, better go and check it out with your own eyes first. On the pics and videos across the net it look A LOT better than it actually does in person. It's a weird case with not very good air flow and not up to everyone's taste. I certainly would take many many others before it.

 

Oh. damn.. i jsut noticed - that Corsair AIO is absolute waste of money compared to the Liquid Freezed II for the performance it offers and has LOUD pump. And i mean not only noticeable, but "LOUD" loud, when at max RPMs, which a pump should be at. It also requires the bloatware to enable/controil the RGB. Yes, the LCD display is cool at first, but the novelty of it wears off quite fast. It's jsut way too overpriced for the cooling it offers.

 

As for the absolute fastest memory for Ryzen 7800X3D where it gets highest FPS it's actually 6400MHz CL32, BUT it's simply not worth the extra price for additional 2-3 FPS at best when over 220 FPS already. Good 32GB kits cost almost as the 64GB kit 6000MHz CL30.

[Kevin Ramirez]

Well, I currently use a 1tb Samsung 980 pro 2 on an external drive that I hook up to my laptop and download games on the drive. I was thinking getting that 4tb and the 1tb for more games, then the 2 for boot drive

 

ill look into a different case since the cpu cooler you listed i really big and needs a bigger case for that to fit 

 

can anyone explain differences between the motherboard I’ve been selecting and the more expensive ones everyone’s been recommending? 

[Kevin Ramirez]

1 minute ago, Kevin Ramirez said:

Well, I currently use a 1tb Samsung 980 pro 2 on an external drive that I hook up to my laptop and download games on the drive. I was thinking getting that 4tb and the 1tb for more games, then the 2 for boot drive

 

ill look into a different case since the cpu cooler you listed i really big and needs a bigger case for that to fit 

 

can anyone explain differences between the motherboard I’ve been selecting and the more expensive ones everyone’s been recommending? 
 

the cases I’ve selected were deemed not good for airflow. How do I know which is and isn’t? I really like the glass on from side and front panel look

 

[filpo]

7 hours ago, Kevin Ramirez said:

can anyone explain differences between the motherboard I’ve been selecting and the more expensive ones everyone’s been recommending? 

mostly support for gen 5 and the fact that the mobo has more reliable vrms. But I would get this mobo Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX ATX AM5 Motherboard (B650 AORUS ELITE AX) - PCPartPicker

7 hours ago, Kevin Ramirez said:

ill look into a different case since the cpu cooler you listed i really big and needs a bigger case for that to fit 

Try this one Lian Li LANCOOL III RGB ATX Mid Tower Case (LANCOOL 3R-X) - PCPartPicker

[QuantumSingularity]

9 hours ago, Kevin Ramirez said:

Well, I currently use a 1tb Samsung 980 pro 2 on an external drive that I hook up to my laptop and download games on the drive. I was thinking getting that 4tb and the 1tb for more games, then the 2 for boot drive

 

ill look into a different case since the cpu cooler you listed i really big and needs a bigger case for that to fit 

 

can anyone explain differences between the motherboard I’ve been selecting and the more expensive ones everyone’s been recommending? 

The main things that ramp up the costs of the motherboards are good power delivery and PCIe lanes availability. The I/O ports also cause a bit of manufacturing costs, but nowhere near these 2 factors. Here is the best showcase for the difference between B650/B650E/X670/X670E chipsets. It can be a bit confusing and will get a bit boring in the describtion, but hang in there:

 

A lot of numbers and letters w/o much context i know, but here is the sum up. The non-E chipsets are a bit trimmed down on usable PCIe lanes. That means the you have a more limited number of devices you can use or the speeds you can use them on. On X670E for example you can use one PCIe Gen 5.0 GPU (when these become available) at 1x16 config AND a PCIe 5.0 NVMe drive at x4. On B650 you MAY have 1x5 PCIe 5.0, but it's an option and will work only for storage. 

But what does this PCIe Gen 4.0 vs 5.0 actually mean? Currently very little, but it quickly shapes up to be a solid factor in gaming performance. The main reason is DirectStorage API, which is slowly finding its way into the games. The idea there is that the games which use it will completely skip over the CPU decompression process and GPUs will copy data directly from the system memory and decompress it themselves (they are much better at this). This is where high bandwidth interface comes into play. As fast your drive, GPU and the connection between them is, the better the performance. Let's say in 2-3 years time (may be A LOT sooner btw) we have a game which relies heavily on Ray Tracing or Path Tracing. It also comes with true 4k high-quality assets. You have a new RTX 5080 for example and a gen 5.0 NVMe drive. Now it's up to the motherboard to let them function at max speeds. When neither of them can run at gen 5.0 speeds, both will run at the available 4.0 speeds which could mean the difference between 100FPS and 60FPS on the exactly the same pieces of hardware, with only the motherboard being different or missing and late popping up textures to ruin your gameplay. We already have games about to hit the market, which take advantage of fast storage devices like Cyberpunk 2077 Phantom Liberty.

 

You can clearly see that a SATA 3 SSD, which until very recently was thought to be more than we could ever need, isn't actually fast enough to feed the assets even at 1080p with Ray Tracing Enabled at Ultra. And this is one of the games where Ray Tracing really makes a difference. A lot of people mistakenly think that DirectStorage is all about loading times and while it will most certainly improve on those, it's actually about fast loading big assets and high detail textures so you don't have them popping up on your screen like in an early 1990s racing game.

 

Sorry for the long and dry wall of information. Here is a glass of cold, refreshing Gin & Tonic:

[Steve_17]

15 hours ago, QuantumSingularity said:

On X670E for example you can use one PCIe Gen 5.0 GPU (when these become available) at 1x16 config AND a PCIe 5.0 NVMe drive at x4.

 

 

After reading this, I am intrigued by the MSI X670E Tomahawk except with a 7700X. Thanks for the info.