Random instability...

[JustPeach]

Ryzen 5 5600
3080
650w psu
32GB Ram

I'm having weird black screens when starting games
I know the psu is a little underpowered for the specs but I can run a stress test to both GPU and CPU and it holds, so I don't think that's the problem, Thought it was the RAm because I bought 2 new sticks same frequency as the others I had same brand as well, just diffrerent names, cuz they have change them (I had kingston furyX 2x8GB and bought HyperX Beast 2x8GB both ddr4 3200MHZ CL18)
So, I pretty much don't know what's going on, the system was working fine a few days ago, put a few hours of gaming on it no problems.
Could it be the GPU riser I installed giving some weird problem??
The screens turn off the pc lights stay all on and after a few minutes it starts back up.

Used a wattage meter and the pc drew between 500 and 540w max and then crashed, could it still be the PSU anyway?!

Or did my GPU break out of nowhere, cuz the systems stays powered on only frezzes and the displays go dark.

I bought the GPU used and I know it was a mining GPU, but I have used it for almost a week no problem till this happened.

And before I had the CPU with a slight OC and the GPU on OC mode.

[Ottoman420]

When you say black screens do you mean it restarts or blue screens or black screens and continues unless you restart it.

 

Try 1 stick of Ram in all of the 4 slots if you want to rule out RAM

Try the gpu directly in the motherboard if you want to rule out the Riser cable

I would be taking out all un needed perhiphals for now as well to elimnate some sort of USB conflict (external hdds, webcams anything like that)

 

You could also try a windows reinstall as well incase your windows has been corrupted (its easily done)

 

 

[JustPeach]

Doing Windows reinstall rn

RAM, I already took out the new sticks I installed and it still crashed

After reinstalling the windows if it still will crash I will try the riser

The pc freezes and the screens go black, and don't come back after a few minutes so I have to power off the of on the power button e turn it on again.

[Neutraliz]

50 minutes ago, JustPeach said:

I know the psu is a little underpowered for the specs but I can run a stress test to both GPU and CPU and it holds

Stress test and real situations aren't really the same tho.
A game will make GPU and CPU load vary depending of scenes, which affect power draw with it contineously. That could be the factor that push your PSU beyond the edge.
To me, if you keep ignoring the PSU... I don't think we can eliminate that possibility for sure. 

Transients power spikes will push your PSU to its absolute limits, and way beyond.
750W is recommanded by NVIDIA for a 3080, but transients spikes is still a problem for some 3080 users with 750W PSUs. So I'd recommand 850W to stay clear of that. 

[JustPeach]

2 hours ago, Neutraliz said:

Stress test and real situations aren't really the same tho.
A game will make GPU and CPU load vary depending of scenes, which affect power draw with it contineously. That could be the factor that push your PSU beyond the edge.
To me, if you keep ignoring the PSU... I don't think we can eliminate that possibility for sure. 

Transients power spikes will push your PSU to its absolute limits, and way beyond.
750W is recommanded by NVIDIA for a 3080, but transients spikes is still a problem for some 3080 users with 750W PSUs. So I'd recommand 850W to stay clear of that. 

Yeah I know that, but I really wanna rule out everything else febore spending 100€in a new PSU if I could run this one for a little more time.
The thing is it already opened and ran various games before.
 

[JustPeach]

2 hours ago, JustPeach said:

Doing Windows reinstall rn

RAM, I already took out the new sticks I installed and it still crashed

After reinstalling the windows if it still will crash I will try the riser

The pc freezes and the screens go black, and don't come back after a few minutes so I have to power off the of on the power button e turn it on again.

Reinstaled windows opened cyberpunk 2 times no problem, restored my saves and started having problems again, I open the game the pc crashes...
Gonna remove the riser and install the gpu directly on the MOBO

 

[JustPeach]

4 hours ago, Neutraliz said:

Stress test and real situations aren't really the same tho.
A game will make GPU and CPU load vary depending of scenes, which affect power draw with it contineously. That could be the factor that push your PSU beyond the edge.
To me, if you keep ignoring the PSU... I don't think we can eliminate that possibility for sure. 

Transients power spikes will push your PSU to its absolute limits, and way beyond.
750W is recommanded by NVIDIA for a 3080, but transients spikes is still a problem for some 3080 users with 750W PSUs. So I'd recommand 850W to stay clear of that. 

I think it's is strange it worked before no problem and only now had problems, but I can't deny that it's working just fine that 2/3 of the load of the GPU are coming from a less loaded PSU

[Neutraliz]

3 hours ago, JustPeach said:

The thing is it already opened and ran various games before.

1 hour ago, JustPeach said:

I think it's is strange it worked before no problem and only now had problems

I see things with another eye, personnally. I think it's impressive that it hold up for that long in that situation. Honnestly.
I think it just gave up, but it put up a real fight before. This 650W is a warrior. xD

[JustPeach]

On 7/16/2023 at 6:41 PM, Neutraliz said:

I see things with another eye, personnally. I think it's impressive that it hold up for that long in that situation. Honnestly.
I think it just gave up, but it put up a real fight before. This 650W is a warrior. xD

Just switched the PSU for a 850W one...same exact problem...
I load up cyberpunk satart playing and puff black screens, after like 3 mintes the pc restarts
I had no problems with all the same parts but with a 6600xt on the PC.
 

[mrjason]

7 hours ago, JustPeach said:

Just switched the PSU for a 850W one...same exact problem...
I load up cyberpunk satart playing and puff black screens, after like 3 mintes the pc restarts
I had no problems with all the same parts but with a 6600xt on the PC.
 

Did you do a DDU of the drivers from AMD?
Install and do a DDU of the Nvidia and Check if AMD drivers are resident.

Then do a full re-install of your drivers.

 

Disable VSync and if the monitors are different refresh rates, keep them the same.

 

Do you have your thermals for the GPU on display to see what the temps are? 
Are we sure we're not hitting a thermal point and the GPU is shutting down for safety?

[JustPeach]

1 hour ago, mrjason said:

Did you do a DDU of the drivers from AMD?
Install and do a DDU of the Nvidia and Check if AMD drivers are resident.

Then do a full re-install of your drivers.

 

Disable VSync and if the monitors are different refresh rates, keep them the same.

 

Do you have your thermals for the GPU on display to see what the temps are? 
Are we sure we're not hitting a thermal point and the GPU is shutting down for safety?

I did use DUU, both time I changed the GPU, after trying the 3080 for the first time and it giving the problem I switched back to the 6600xt to play while I waited for the new PSU.

Used DDU all proper and I played for like 2 days no problem

After installing the 3080 again, with a new PSU (850w) problem starts again.

I do think I have free sync on, but never game me any problems having one display 144hz and the other 60hz.

Temps are around the 70's I have seen it crash at low 70's and at high 70's

Could be thermal because of the memory temps, they tend to run hot on this cards, right? 

(This is a second hand mining GPU, maybe the thermal pads need changing?)

Gotta see the memory temps and see if I find anything out of the ordinary

But I did upgrade the cooling on the PC

I have 2 fans exhausting the hot air from above the GPU.

And it only happens inside games, I can run a stress test on the CPU and one in the GPU and it runs no problem

Like 15 minutes no problem (haven't tried longer)

But still 15 minutes in stress test but can't handle 3 minutes in game?!

 

 

 

 

[Mark Kaine]

Ok

 

but...

 

 

does this happen with any other games too?

[JustPeach]

3 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

Ok

 

but...

 

 

does this happen with any other games too?

Yeah it does, the Witcher 3 had the same problem, and in cod I had the same problem loading the game up

[mrjason]

On 7/21/2023 at 8:04 AM, JustPeach said:

Yeah it does, the Witcher 3 had the same problem, and in cod I had the same problem loading the game up

It is very possible it is a hardware issue.

I would only see if you re-install windows and use a fresh install of drivers to rule out any AMD/Nvidia Tomfoolery.

But, I am leaning towards hardware fault.