CPU hitting 97C with aio?

[stevenh]

So my I7 13700k Is hitting 95-97C when running cinebench.

Ambient temprature is 24C and i'm using a Corsair H150I.

 

This seems to hot right?
I've got no side panels on the case, and fan and pump at max settings?

 

Is it likely that the paste that was on the aoi just wasn't good enough/has dried out?

And should i get a new tube an repaste it?

[Budget DIY]

2 minutes ago, stevenh said:

So my I7 13700k Is hitting 95-97C when running cinebench.

Ambient temprature is 24C and i'm using a Corsair H150I.

 

This seems to hot right?
I've got no side panels on the case, and fan and pump at max settings?

 

Is it likely that the paste that was on the aoi just wasn't good enough/has dried out?

And should i get a new tube an repaste it?

Was the paste pre-applied? Was there a plastic film on it? Did you remove said film? Did you top mount the thing? Can you confirm (like read RPM from BIOS) that your pump is working? Any odd noises?

[stevenh]

1 minute ago, Budget DIY said:

Was the paste pre-applied? Was there a plastic film on it? Did you remove said film? Did you top mount the thing? Can you confirm (like read RPM from BIOS) that your pump is working? Any odd noises?

No weird noises, removed the plastic, the paste was indeed pre-applied.

I can hear the pump (also i hear the difference if i place it in different speeds)

The Icue software says it works.

So paste related problems seem the most likely, that or the CPU just runs really hot.

 

 

At this moment the Radiator isn't mounted, but lays ontop of the case (the on button is broken and i need to RMA it, so did not screw it in.)

 

Idle temprature is 30C

[Budget DIY]

2 minutes ago, stevenh said:

No weird noises, removed the plastic, the paste was indeed pre-applied.

I can hear the pump (also i hear the difference if i place it in different speeds)

The Icue software says it works.

So paste related problems seem the most likely, that or the CPU just runs really hot.

 

 

At this moment the Radiator isn't mounted, but lays ontop of the case (the on button is broken and i need to RMA it, so did not screw it in.)

 

Idle temprature is 30C

You could try to re-mount the CPU block, and inspect the thermal paste spread. (if it's brand new, I myself wouldn't replace the paste if it did look good enough) Also, I don't know what normal max load temps are for your CPU. (AMD fanboi)

[TPCEA]

Just RMA it and see what happens with the replacement. You don't want to accidentally void the warranty, especially since you're going to return it. 

[Whatisthis]

Idling in 30s means paste likely isn’t the issue. You’d see poor idle temps as well or a big difference across cores

 

When you start cinebench, how fast do you get to the 90+c temps?.

 

If it is nearly instant, there is likely a bent cpu problem due to the lga1700 locking mechanism design. It bends the cpu slightly (varies by motherboard) and causes the contact between cooler and cpu to be poor.

 

If this is the case, you can do one of two things to lower temps (or both):

 

1. Drop the core voltage by 0.05v-0.10v (depends on cpu how much is possible).

 

2. get a contact frame that replaces the locking mechanism with a better design.

 

Edit: if you have an Asus board, they overvolt the hell out of the chips (up to almost 1.5v in some cases). Set the vcore to 1.30v manually. 

[stevenh]

1 hour ago, Whatisthis said:

Idling in 30s means paste likely isn’t the issue. You’d see poor idle temps as well or a big difference across cores

 

When you start cinebench, how fast do you get to the 90+c temps?.

 

If it is nearly instant, there is likely a bent cpu problem due to the lga1700 locking mechanism design. It bends the cpu slightly (varies by motherboard) and causes the contact between cooler and cpu to be poor.

 

If this is the case, you can do one of two things to lower temps (or both):

 

1. Drop the core voltage by 0.05v-0.10v (depends on cpu how much is possible).

 

2. get a contact frame that replaces the locking mechanism with a better design.

 

Edit: if you have an Asus board, they overvolt the hell out of the chips (up to almost 1.5v in some cases). Set the vcore to 1.30v manually. 

It takes around a minute or two for the first cores to hit 90+

It are only 4 cores who do.

 

I've got a MSI tomahwak z790 motherboard.

 

Might have to look into a contact frame then.

[Whatisthis]

2 hours ago, stevenh said:

It takes around a minute or two for the first cores to hit 90+

It are only 4 cores who do.

 

I've got a MSI tomahwak z790 motherboard.

 

Might have to look into a contact frame then.

Look at undervolting first. Run HWINFO and see what the core voltage goes up to when you run cinebench. If it’s up in the 1.4v+ range do a -0.100v offset in bios. It’s free and will likely solve your problem.

 

a contact frame will likely help a bit as well, but it’s 20 bucks you might not have to spend.

 

a gradual rise is indicative of at least a decent connection between cpu and cooler. In most cases where the contact frame really helps, people see the cpu temp jump toward max immediately on starting the test.

[stevenh]

5 hours ago, Whatisthis said:

Look at undervolting first. Run HWINFO and see what the core voltage goes up to when you run cinebench. If it’s up in the 1.4v+ range do a -0.100v offset in bios. It’s free and will likely solve your problem.

 

a contact frame will likely help a bit as well, but it’s 20 bucks you might not have to spend.

 

a gradual rise is indicative of at least a decent connection between cpu and cooler. In most cases where the contact frame really helps, people see the cpu temp jump toward max immediately on starting the test.

I might look into a platte either way.

Voltages where around 1.385 one spike to 1.404.

 

Also i think i might just repaste it just to be sure.

I just checked the paste and not evrything is coverd.

[Whatisthis]

How did the block side look?

 

the middle not being covered right could be from a bend. The area between the latching tabs becomes a valley and the top and bottom in your pic are slightly raised.

 

well, repaste and see if it helps. Go heavy on paste in the middle area.
 

 

[stevenh]

I Will do that, But Will probably end up getting a contact platen aswell.

 

Slightly scared to mount it tough.

[SaddamAWP01]

I have kind of same problem with an ASUS ROG Strix 360 LC, not same 100% but let me explain. As far as I know an expensive AIO Cooler like Corsair, ASUS, NZXT etc... must keep the CPU cooler then the values I see in my own PC.

If I let the my CPU in default 1.2v the temps are fine and they don't reach more then 80 degrees in full load. (constant 72-75)

If I overclock CPU to 1.3v the temps jump to 88 degrees in full load. (constant 80-83)

If I overclock the CPU to 1.4v the temps jump to 98 degrees in full load. (constant 89-92)

This jumps are just temp spikes, the cpu is maintained to a little lower constant temp like I attached in (...)

Forgot to say that the minimum temps are never lower then 35 degrees, and they are maintained to 38-40 degrees at 5% load. I saw to other people thier AIO Cooler maintain the CPU at 25-30 degrees at 5-10% load.

 

As thermal paste I am using Arctic MX4 and I will buy and try soon the thermal grizzly kryonaut

[Whatisthis]

@SaddamAWP01 What is your ambient temp? Your cpu will always run about 5-10c above ambient regardless of cooler (unless you go to phase change or ln2 or peltier) due to the thermal transfer inefficiency from core to cooler.

 

if your ambient is 30, expect to idle in the high 30s at best.

 

and yea, overclocked 13700k will pull 250+ watts and any cooler will have a hard time keeping up.

[TeraSeraph]

On 6/25/2023 at 12:49 PM, Whatisthis said:

Idling in 30s means paste likely isn’t the issue. You’d see poor idle temps as well or a big difference across cores

 

When you start cinebench, how fast do you get to the 90+c temps?.

 

If it is nearly instant, there is likely a bent cpu problem due to the lga1700 locking mechanism design. It bends the cpu slightly (varies by motherboard) and causes the contact between cooler and cpu to be poor.

 

If this is the case, you can do one of two things to lower temps (or both):

 

1. Drop the core voltage by 0.05v-0.10v (depends on cpu how much is possible).

 

2. get a contact frame that replaces the locking mechanism with a better design.

 

Edit: if you have an Asus board, they overvolt the hell out of the chips (up to almost 1.5v in some cases). Set the vcore to 1.30v manually. 

All this, especially the Asus boards. If you don't set your svid behaviour to good or best it will assume worst case and slam the CPU with voltage. I was seeing 1.44V sitting in BIOS disgusting.

[TeraSeraph]

On 6/26/2023 at 11:57 AM, stevenh said:

I Will do that, But Will probably end up getting a contact platen aswell.

 

Slightly scared to mount it tough.

Contact plates are easy to install(if you get ther thermalright model), just 4 screws. Turn the case on it's side, Leave the cpu and heatsink mounts on the mb, tighten only until the feet on the plate contact the board. 

 

The thermal grizzly plate is a poor design and should be avoided. There's nothing to prevent you from over tightening. 

[SaddamAWP01]

I setted my i5 7600k CPU voltage to 1.300v in BIOS and core clock to 5.0ghz. Check my cpu temp and stats when I run Cinebench. Is this normal with ASUS ROG Strix 360 LC ? If I look more closer looks like the temp is allmost 1.400v or I make a mistake?

 

https://ibb.co/DC1b1C5

[TPCEA]

15 hours ago, SaddamAWP01 said:

I setted my i5 7600k CPU voltage to 1.300v in BIOS and core clock to 5.0ghz. Check my cpu temp and stats when I run Cinebench. Is this normal with ASUS ROG Strix 360 LC ? If I look more closer looks like the temp is allmost 1.400v or I make a mistake?

 

https://ibb.co/DC1b1C5

What is 1.400v? That's voltage, not temperature.

[SaddamAWP01]

12 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

What is 1.400v? That's voltage, not temperature.

Check photo, from that photo can you tell me my current CPU voltage?

[Whatisthis]

@SaddamAWP01You have a cooler to cpu mounting issue. You’re only pushing 75w and temps are hitting 80s, and you have a 8c difference between low and high core temps.  Voltage is only 1.15, which is incredible that it will run at 5.0ghz.

 

Remount / paste the cooler.

[SaddamAWP01]

14 minutes ago, Whatisthis said:

@SaddamAWP01You have a cooler to cpu mounting issue. You’re only pushing 75w and temps are hitting 80s, and you have a 8c difference between low and high core temps.  Voltage is only 1.15, which is incredible that it will run at 5.0ghz.

 

Remount / paste the cooler.

I repasted and remounted it 5 times already, everytime is the same. I don't know what else to do. The CPU works perfect for example I played NFS Heat, CPU stay at 99-100% and temps stays at 70++ degress and maximum 77, I've seen this values in MSI Afterburner. In bios is setted to 5.0ghz and 1.300v

[SaddamAWP01]

Setted in BIOS cpu to 5.2 ghz and voltage to 1.350v

This are temps with cinebench

https://ibb.co/WVCf91R

[SaddamAWP01]

https://ibb.co/sRzxqdr

Cinebench results with 1.350v and 5.2ghz

[TPCEA]

15 hours ago, SaddamAWP01 said:

the temp is allmost 1.400v or I make a mistake?

Yes, you made a mistake. The CPU volts aren't listed in that image, and you called it the temp.

[SaddamAWP01]

1 hour ago, RevGAM said:

Yes, you made a mistake. The CPU volts aren't listed in that image, and you called it the temp.

The temps are good for what I showed there on cinebench and coretemp?

[TPCEA]

1 hour ago, SaddamAWP01 said:

The temps are good for what I showed there on cinebench and coretemp?

You worry too much. They're fine. Relax.