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Hi peeps I have a MSI B450 GAMING PLUS (Item#: N82E16813144264 on new egg) and i want to know if the Quad M.2 NVMe to PCIe Adapter Expansion Card (Item#: 9SIARE9JVF1975 on new egg) works on it or if anyone knows of a card where i can put more m.2 storage i have. Im looking for a card where i can put either 2 ssd or preferably 4 ssd

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5 minutes ago, Roberto_Torres said:

Hi peeps I have a MSI B450 GAMING PLUS (Item#: N82E16813144264 on new egg) and i want to know if the Quad M.2 NVMe to PCIe Adapter Expansion Card (Item#: 9SIARE9JVF1975 on new egg) works on it or if anyone knows of a card where i can put more m.2 storage i have. Im looking for a card where i can put either 2 ssd or preferably 4 ssd

It depends on the PCIe exapnsion card and motherboard, specifically bifrucation. That specific expansion card requires PCIe bifrucation, which allows the motherboard to individually allocate PCIe lanes to separate devices. AKA it takes that 16x slot and splits it into 4x4.

 

The MSI B450 Gaming Plus doesn't appear to support bifrucation, so you'd only likely be able to use one slot of the 4 on that expansion card.

 

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Usually you'd see bifurcation support listed here, but I can't find it at all when searching through the manual which indicates it doesn't support that feature. Whether a board supports it entirely depends on if they decide to add that feature, which can sometimes not be present on high end boards but present on low end boards.

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12 minutes ago, Agall said:

It depends on the PCIe exapnsion card and motherboard, specifically bifrucation. That specific expansion card requires PCIe bifrucation, which allows the motherboard to individually allocate PCIe lanes to separate devices. AKA it takes that 16x slot and splits it into 4x4.

 

The MSI B450 Gaming Plus doesn't appear to support bifrucation, so you'd only likely be able to use one slot of the 4 on that expansion card.

 

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Usually you'd see bifurcation support listed here, but I can't find it at all when searching through the manual which indicates it doesn't support that feature. Whether a board supports it entirely depends on if they decide to add that feature, which can sometimes not be present on high end boards but present on low end boards.

I saw in the Bios in the setting PCI_E1 Lanes Configuration the option to put x4+x4+x4+x4. is that bifrucation?

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It should be it, wonder if it works. 

   
 
 
 
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5 minutes ago, Roberto_Torres said:

I saw in the Bios in the setting PCI_E1 Lanes Configuration the option to put x4+x4+x4+x4. is that bifrucation?

Bifurcation refers to the ability to split a PCIe slot into two logically. So your PC thinks there are actually 2 PCIe cards in a single slot instead of just one.

So maybe that works?

 

If you really need more m.2 slots,and you board doesn't support bifurcation you can  look at things like this https://forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/multi-nvme-m-2-u-2-adapters-that-do-not-require-bifurcation.31172/

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1 hour ago, Roberto_Torres said:

Hi peeps I have a MSI B450 GAMING PLUS (Item#: N82E16813144264 on new egg) and i want to know if the Quad M.2 NVMe to PCIe Adapter Expansion Card (Item#: 9SIARE9JVF1975 on new egg) works on it or if anyone knows of a card where i can put more m.2 storage i have. Im looking for a card where i can put either 2 ssd or preferably 4 ssd

Do you have a dGPU ?

Because your board only has pcie2 on the other slots than the main one, your m2  drives won't be faster that SATA SSD...

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1 hour ago, Roberto_Torres said:

I saw in the Bios in the setting PCI_E1 Lanes Configuration the option to put x4+x4+x4+x4. is that bifrucation?

Appears so, lol. MSI doesn't list it in the manual but they also don't list any bifurcation support directly. That's usually a good indication that it does.

 

If its not a gaming machine using the primary PCIe slot should work and dGPU in the bottom PCIe slot should work. However, if this is a gaming machine, the answer to the original question is no.

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Can you not just use SATA SSD’s? For mass storage, SATA is more then plenty. 
 

What is the use case of the additional drives you want to add, what will they be used for?

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