Posted May 5, 2023 How long does it take for a CPU generation to be declared obsolite? My Main PC CPU: 13700KF Motherboard: MSI MAG Z790 Tomahawk RAM: 32GB (16GBx2) DDR5-6000MHz TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta GPU: RTX 4070 ASUS Dual Case: RAIDMAX X603 Storage: WD SN770 2TB PSU: Corsair RM850X Fully Modular Cooling: DEEPCOOL LS720 Display(s): Gigabyte G24F2 & Dell S2318HN/NX Keyboard: Logitech G512 Carbon (GX Blue) Mouse: Logitech G502 Hero Sound: Bose Headphone & Creative SBS260 Operating System: Windows 11 Pro Laptop: Alienware m15 R1 OS: Windows 10 Pro CPU: 9750H MB: OEM RAM: 16GB (8GBx2) DDR4 2666Mhz GPU: RTX 2060 (Mobile) Phone: Galaxy A54 Other: Nintendo Switch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 5, 2023 Define "play" R9 5900X, Arctic Liquid Freezer II 240, Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE V2, 2x16GB Kingston FuryX 3800MHZ CL18 Hynix DJR "Tuned" , Gigabyte RTX 4090 Gaming OC, Windows 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 5, 2023 I think 8th gen is probably the oldest you can go intel-wise without delving into HEDT. Most modern AAA games do see benefits from having 6 or more cores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 5, 2023 Ballpark would be Ryzen for AMD, Skylake quad cores for Intel, as far as getting a solid experience in most games. Intel HEDT and Server platform enthusiasts: Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Megathread Main PC CPU: i9 7980XE @4.5GHz/1.22v/-2 AVX offset Cooler: EKWB Supremacy Block - custom loop w/360mm +280mm rads Motherboard: EVGA X299 Dark RAM:4x8GB HyperX Predator DDR4 @3200Mhz CL16 GPU: Nvidia FE 2060 Super/Corsair HydroX 2070 FE block Storage: 1TB MP34 + 1TB 970 Evo + 500GB Atom30 + 250GB 960 Evo Optical Drives: LG WH14NS40 PSU: EVGA 1600W T2 Case & Fans: Corsair 750D Airflow - 3x Noctua iPPC NF-F12 + 4x Noctua iPPC NF-A14 PWM OS: Windows 11 Display: LG 27UK650-W (4K 60Hz IPS panel) Mouse: EVGA X17 Keyboard: Corsair K55 RGB Mobile/Work Devices: 2020 M1 MacBook Air (work computer) - iPhone 13 Pro Max - Apple Watch S3 Other Misc Devices: iPod Video (Gen 5.5E, 128GB SD card swap, running Rockbox), Nintendo Switch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Azurael said: How long does it take for a CPU generation to be declared obsolite? well a lot of them can do it but it would need to be at high settings/high resolution I hit 700W on an i5 with a NHD15 Also I'm 14 so please just confirm anything I say with someone more experienced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 5, 2023 Author 2 minutes ago, KnoT said: Define "play" A smooth 60FPS on mid settings. My Main PC CPU: 13700KF Motherboard: MSI MAG Z790 Tomahawk RAM: 32GB (16GBx2) DDR5-6000MHz TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta GPU: RTX 4070 ASUS Dual Case: RAIDMAX X603 Storage: WD SN770 2TB PSU: Corsair RM850X Fully Modular Cooling: DEEPCOOL LS720 Display(s): Gigabyte G24F2 & Dell S2318HN/NX Keyboard: Logitech G512 Carbon (GX Blue) Mouse: Logitech G502 Hero Sound: Bose Headphone & Creative SBS260 Operating System: Windows 11 Pro Laptop: Alienware m15 R1 OS: Windows 10 Pro CPU: 9750H MB: OEM RAM: 16GB (8GBx2) DDR4 2666Mhz GPU: RTX 2060 (Mobile) Phone: Galaxy A54 Other: Nintendo Switch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, Azurael said: How long does it take for a CPU generation to be declared obsolite? When it is obsolete. There is no set time. Basically if you get a cpu a bit stronger than the consoles AND it has at least the same amount of threads you last that generation and then some. But other than that little to say. It's why 8 thread cpu's are the current minimum and that will change with the current consoles becoming the only ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Azurael said: A smooth 60FPS on mid settings. Then it all depends on a game as example Hogwarts Legacy needs rly modern CPU to get there If anything you can call CPU obsolete when you cant even launch new games cuz they are missing certain instruction sets like AVX R9 5900X, Arctic Liquid Freezer II 240, Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE V2, 2x16GB Kingston FuryX 3800MHZ CL18 Hynix DJR "Tuned" , Gigabyte RTX 4090 Gaming OC, Windows 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Azurael said: A smooth 60FPS on mid settings. RIGHT NOW (thats the big thing) a i7 2600k can do it. I DO NOT give it more than a year before it can't. There are already games that don't work on that cpu and those are the real next gen titles. So basically to be windows 11 compatible AND be ok I'd say the minimum would be a ryzen 2600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 5, 2023 I built a Xeon e5-2690 v4 (Broadwell, 5th gen Intel) with a 1060 GTX 6GB that played Cyberpunk 2077 on high settings (no raytracing obviously) at 60 FPS. I don't know how well CP 2077 is optimized, but 5th gen still seems viable. My dual Ivy Bridge Xeon workstation, with a 1660 Super, plays games just fine at 60fps (though admittedly, it's still on Windows 8.1, so my testing is somewhat limited) NOTE: I no longer frequent this site. If you really need help, PM/DM me and my e.mail will alert me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 5, 2023 Author 5 minutes ago, jaslion said: When it is obsolete. There is no set time. Basically if you get a cpu a bit stronger than the consoles AND it has at least the same amount of threads you last that generation and then some. But other than that little to say. It's why 8 thread cpu's are the current minimum and that will change with the current consoles becoming the only ones. Hyper Threading does not count when counting these 8 threads right? My Main PC CPU: 13700KF Motherboard: MSI MAG Z790 Tomahawk RAM: 32GB (16GBx2) DDR5-6000MHz TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta GPU: RTX 4070 ASUS Dual Case: RAIDMAX X603 Storage: WD SN770 2TB PSU: Corsair RM850X Fully Modular Cooling: DEEPCOOL LS720 Display(s): Gigabyte G24F2 & Dell S2318HN/NX Keyboard: Logitech G512 Carbon (GX Blue) Mouse: Logitech G502 Hero Sound: Bose Headphone & Creative SBS260 Operating System: Windows 11 Pro Laptop: Alienware m15 R1 OS: Windows 10 Pro CPU: 9750H MB: OEM RAM: 16GB (8GBx2) DDR4 2666Mhz GPU: RTX 2060 (Mobile) Phone: Galaxy A54 Other: Nintendo Switch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 5, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Azurael said: A smooth 60FPS on mid settings. depends game, things like Celeron/Pentium even those that don't sell anymore can still run League of Legends, because League of Legends is 10+ years old game, 8 minutes ago, jaslion said: RIGHT NOW (thats the big thing) a i7 2600k can do it. I DO NOT give it more than a year before it can't. There are already games that don't work on that cpu and those are the real next gen titles so game dependant, many games don't require strong CPU and won't really increase their demand for it over years but there are things that come with having slow CPU with few/1 cores, for example you will experience more stutters, loadings will increase, and things like multitasking or even just playing YouTube in the background can be hurtful on performance Edited May 5, 2023 by podkall edit Note: Users receive notifications after Mentions & Quotes. Feel free to ask any questions regarding my comments/build lists. I know a lot about PCs but not everything. current PC: Ryzen 5 5600 |16GB DDR4 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1080 ti PCs I used before: Pentium G4500 | 4GB/8GB DDR4 2133Mhz | H110 | GTX 1050 Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz / OC:4Ghz | 8GB DDR4 2133Mhz / 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1050 Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz | 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1080 ti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 5, 2023 Author 1 minute ago, podkall said: because League of Legends is 10+ years old game, I am talking about modern games. My Main PC CPU: 13700KF Motherboard: MSI MAG Z790 Tomahawk RAM: 32GB (16GBx2) DDR5-6000MHz TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta GPU: RTX 4070 ASUS Dual Case: RAIDMAX X603 Storage: WD SN770 2TB PSU: Corsair RM850X Fully Modular Cooling: DEEPCOOL LS720 Display(s): Gigabyte G24F2 & Dell S2318HN/NX Keyboard: Logitech G512 Carbon (GX Blue) Mouse: Logitech G502 Hero Sound: Bose Headphone & Creative SBS260 Operating System: Windows 11 Pro Laptop: Alienware m15 R1 OS: Windows 10 Pro CPU: 9750H MB: OEM RAM: 16GB (8GBx2) DDR4 2666Mhz GPU: RTX 2060 (Mobile) Phone: Galaxy A54 Other: Nintendo Switch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, Azurael said: Hyper Threading does not count when counting these 8 threads right? Yes it does. that is why I am saying threads not cores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 5, 2023 32 minutes ago, jaslion said: RIGHT NOW (thats the big thing) a i7 2600k can do it. I DO NOT give it more than a year before it can't. There are already games that don't work on that cpu and those are the real next gen titles. So basically to be windows 11 compatible AND be ok I'd say the minimum would be a ryzen 2600 The OP said "all of today's modern games" and "smooth 60fps on mid settings" - the 2600K doesn't cut it for Cyberpunk 2077, Warzone 2, Hogwarts Legacy, The Last of Us Part 1, and several others, even if overclocked to 4.4GHz. It lasted for over a decade, but the 2600K's time as a gaming CPU that can handle anything has already died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 5, 2023 An acquaintance of mine had been running a haggard old Phenom II x4 CPU until recently, when he upgraded to a Ryzen 5 5600. The Phenom II was able to "run" many relatively modern games, up until probably the beginning of the PS5/XS generation. Due to it missing modern instruction sets, it's not capable of running current gen games I believe, at least not without serious workarounds. Feasibly I'd assume the earliest AMD CPU that can run modern games is the FX 8000 series. For Intel, I wouldn't go with anything less than a Haswell i7. MAIN SYSTEM: Intel i9 10850K | 32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro DDR4-3600C16 | RTX 3070 FE | MSI Z490 Gaming Carbon WIFI | Corsair H100i Pro 240mm AIO | 500GB Samsung 850 Evo + 500GB Samsung 970 Evo Plus SSDs | EVGA SuperNova 850 P2 | Fractal Design Meshify C | Razer Cynosa V2 | Corsair Scimitar Elite | Gigabyte G27Q Other Devices: iPhone 12 128GB | Nintendo Switch | Surface Pro 7+ (work device) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 6, 2023 12 hours ago, Azurael said: I am talking about modern games. that depends what do you call a "modern game" the equation is simple, newer games usually tend to be more demanding unless they are like esports title and even those get demanding but if the game already exists, depending on the type of content that can be added the game can require same demand 10 years down the road, or it slowly increases it's demand, or it stays because there is no content being added if you're curious you can try searching things like "random cheap CPU benchmark" and see if someone has recently tested it on something like Cyberpunk let me give it a shot, I found this: Note: Users receive notifications after Mentions & Quotes. Feel free to ask any questions regarding my comments/build lists. I know a lot about PCs but not everything. current PC: Ryzen 5 5600 |16GB DDR4 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1080 ti PCs I used before: Pentium G4500 | 4GB/8GB DDR4 2133Mhz | H110 | GTX 1050 Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz / OC:4Ghz | 8GB DDR4 2133Mhz / 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1050 Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz | 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1080 ti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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