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16 hours ago, FI Fheonix said:

Not necessarily, If you had a discrete GPU inside a monitor that could provide a higher resolution, frame rate and performance in general. 

How would it provide that? Your GPU sets the limit to what can be output to the monitor. The monitor sets the limit to what you can see from that information stream. A 1080p monitor will never be higher resolution, because the panel is built with only 1920x1080 pixels. A 60 Hz panel will never be more than a 60 Hz panel, because the panel and circuitry are built to refresh at 60 Hz.

 

The idea is fine, all-in-ones exist after all, but the practicality is limited because packing powerful hardware inside a monitor faces similar challenges as trying to pack powerful hardware into laptops. The monitor's panel outputs heat and the GPU outputs a massive amount of heat both in a tiny enclosed space making cooling harder.

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What if Monitors were made with GPUs inside the monitor? With cables from the motherboard to supply power and display? What about thermals and performance? Even Possible?

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17 minutes ago, FI Fheonix said:

What if Monitors were made with GPUs inside the monitor? With cables from the motherboard to supply power and display? What about thermals and performance? Even Possible?

There are monitors made with entire computers inside them, I am positive I saw one or two tested on LTT or shortcircuit. ( Could have been a couple of years ago )  Its definitely possible but the monitor would be a lot bigger.

 

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18 minutes ago, FI Fheonix said:

What if Monitors were made with GPUs inside the monitor? With cables from the motherboard to supply power and display? What about thermals and performance? Even Possible?

Like a beefy All in One

 

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/microsoft-surface-studio-2-28-touch-screen-all-in-one-intel-core-i7-32gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-1tb-ssd-platinum/6520387.p?skuId=6520387

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2 minutes ago, si1enze said:

@FI FheonixExpanding on your original idea.. if we could have the GPU inside the display, monitor or TV, upscale any input to a much higher resolution and maybe even frame rate, that would be neat..

Exactly what I was thinking... Although not sure if thermals would be good if it's a powerful GPU.

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2 minutes ago, si1enze said:

@FI FheonixExpanding on your original idea.. if we could have the GPU inside the display, monitor or TV, upscale any input to a much higher resolution and maybe even frame rate, that would be neat..

especially if it draws over like 50w

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Just now, FI Fheonix said:

Exactly what I was thinking... Although not sure if thermals would be good if it's a powerful GPU.

To start it would be big and bulky, probably more used for older consoles/handheld consoles.. that is a neat idea though.  Even at the size of a TV just plugging a Switch into that and getting 4k 60fps from that on a huge screen..

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2 minutes ago, si1enze said:

To start it would be big and bulky, probably more used for older consoles/handheld consoles.. that is a neat idea though.  Even at the size of a TV just plugging a Switch into that and getting 4k 60fps from that on a huge screen..

isnt 4k/8k upscaling already happening on a bunch of TV's. IK mine has it

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2 minutes ago, Bob__ said:

isnt 4k/8k upscaling already happening on a bunch of TV's. IK mine has it

I believe so yes, I don't keep up with TV technology much, but I'd imagine it would be drastically faster if it was handled by a modern discrete high end GPU.

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3 minutes ago, si1enze said:

I believe so yes, I don't keep up with TV technology much, but I'd imagine it would be drastically faster if it was handled by a modern discrete high end GPU.

maybe but honestly the upscaling is pretty good. as for frame rates i dont think there is anything that increases that

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5 minutes ago, Bob__ said:

maybe but honestly the upscaling is pretty good. as for frame rates i dont think there is anything that increases that

I was thinking DLSS 3 concept but driven by generative AI.. bunch of scripts, condition statements and databases that function on Input to make Output.. 

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2 minutes ago, si1enze said:

I was thinking DLSS 3 concept but driven by generative AI.. bunch of scripts, condition statements and databases that function on Input to make Output.. 

yeah but we all saw how well that worked in 60FPS and also the support for it

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8 minutes ago, si1enze said:

Just ideas.  Not a serious thread. 🙂

Ik all im trying to imply is that maybe wait for DLSS 4

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Interesting idea i have thought about myself. I think thermals would be a concern though. Then again, would be a good reason to liquid cool a monitor.

 

Wouldn't a newer Thunderbolt version version handle that bandwidth? External GPUs for laptops seem to rely on Thunderbolt.

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1 hour ago, Jmz_P said:

External GPUs for laptops seem to rely on Thunderbolt.

they do but there is a performance hit. for example if you had the PC and an extranl GPU housing try in the PC PCI slot then in the external hosing the difference is quite substantial. However it was a decent solution for those that used high powered laptops and wanted to play games on a larger monitor at home a year ago. These days though the power of GPU graphics in high end laptops make those external solutions less attractive. As the high end Laptop with the power to pump pixels is cheaper than the mid range laptop plus an external GPU.

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2 hours ago, Jmz_P said:

Wouldn't a newer Thunderbolt version version handle that bandwidth?

Thunderbolt is typically a 4x PCIe connection.  So Thunderbolt 3 is 4x PCIe 3.0 Thunderbolt 4 is 4x PCIe 4.0 and so on and so forth

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10 hours ago, tkitch said:

overall, no, it's not possible.

There is no link from a PC to a monitor that could feed the bandwidth needed to run a GPU.

Thunderbolt? maybe a integrated riser cable in the monitor?

 

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1 hour ago, ChonkerFox said:

Thunderbolt is typically a 4x PCIe connection.  So Thunderbolt 3 is 4x PCIe 3.0 Thunderbolt 4 is 4x PCIe 4.0 and so on and so forth

TB4 is still PCIe 3.0 x4. TB4 just includes all the USB specs as well. TB5 will be PCIe 4.0.

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Why are you people trying to invent the $1500 24" monitor that will be obsolete in far less time than the life cycle of the typical contemporary monitor?

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Just now, CerealExperimentsLain said:

Why are you people trying to invent the $1500 24" monitor that will be obsolete in far less time than the life cycle of the typical contemporary monitor?

was just a idea

Have you tried turning it off and on again? Maybe Restart it? 

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34 minutes ago, CerealExperimentsLain said:

Why are you people trying to invent the $1500 24" monitor that will be obsolete in far less time than the life cycle of the typical contemporary monitor?

I don't see you coming up with any better ideas lol.

Have you tried turning it off and on again? Maybe Restart it? 

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