[Verification need] First time build (7900X3D/RTX4070TI) - suggestions for bottlenecks and price reduction needed

[XfaktorLT]

Hello guys,

 

I am quite new to the PC build scene and after some delays decided that now is the good time to build a pc. (new CPU and GPU generation)

Have spent few weeks now watching LLT and researching different aspects of the build and parts, but would really like to ask for you help.

 

I have general build and setup ready, but would like to have some verification on the parts and any improvements/bottlenecks/savings that could be done or noted.

It is expensive build and saving couple hundred $ would be great.

 

My use cases for pc will be :

 - plex server - so 20-24/7 availability is important

 - remote desktop pc - to access from different location

 - gaming - anno 1800, warzone, League of legends, Horizon Zero Dawn - so mix of nice visuals and FPS games

 - work/leisure - chrome (200+tabs), visual studio

 

Build :

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wmYgVw

 

 

 

My reasoning for the parts :

 

• Case (Fractal Design North ATX)

Just like to looks, fits interior

• CPU (AMD Ryzen 9 7900X3D 4.4 GHz 12-Core Processor) 

Thought about 7800X3D - but since it will be also used for transcoding and etc. - decided that might need more cores.

• CPU cooler(ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 72.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler) :

Hate the looks, but based on this example build https://pcpartpicker.com/b/46BcCJ , decided that it might be better for thermals

• Ram (G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory)

AMD EXPO and seems to be well reviewed option

• Motherboard (Asus ROG STRIX X670E-F GAMING WIFI ATX AM5)

Spent most time deciding on, also had ASUS TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS and Gigabyte X670 Aorus Elite AX as options, primarily just want PCIe 5.0 for M.2, 2.5G ethernet, IO shield, bios update (don't have other CPU and needs it to work with Ryzen 7900X3D), few fast USB+USB-C

• GPU (Asus TUF GAMING GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card)

Picking between 4070/4070ti/4080 - but decided that hopefully this will be good and enough

• Storage (Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB,  Samsung 870 QVO 4 TB)

OS + plex/long term storage

• PSU (SeaSonic PRIME PX 1000 W 80+ platinum)

I know that 850 probably would be enough, but difference in my market is no that large - just wanted to future proof, and SeaSonic seams like a very good branch/quality

• Fans (Noctua A14 PWM 140, ARCTIC P12 Slim 140)

Slim back exhaust, two 140 front intake, two 140 top exhaust, and ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 side mounted intake

• Monitors (LG 27UK850-W)

Have it already 4k, just to keep it for video/chrome

• Monitor (Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQ 27.0" 2560 x 1440 165 Hz Monitor)

for games

 

 

Any notable bottlenecks for the system, or some overpriced/over specked parts that might be exchanged for lower cost ?

 

Thank you very much for all your help and support.

 

[will0hlep]

I think 7800X3D probably is the better chip here as the transcoding should be done on GPU.

 

Also, Ram and Motherboard actually seem needlessly expensive. PCIe Gen 5 looks unlikely to be useful in the near future and 6000 CL36 is alot cheaper and not noticeably slower. Do you have a superfast internet connection or internal network, cause if not 2.5Gbit might not be much use here.

 

Also, have you considered a 900 class AMD GPU? The extra Vram of AMD cards is certainly worth thinking about.

[SorryBella]

1 hour ago, XfaktorLT said:

decided that might need more cores

Yeah but the better V-Cached core is limited to 1 CCD that 7800X3D applies, thus the so called "frequency cores" (basically Zen 4 cores unaltered) is always gonna be inferior. Theoretically the AMD equivalent of Thread Director wouldve handled this properly but 1. its software only which means there will always be an overhead compared to dedicated hardware and 2. it has been shown to be very buggy right now much like most AMD software is, certain tasks that are cache heavy can be thrown to frequency cores and vice versa, and sometimes it can be split which bloats access times.  @will0hlepalso has a sound logic in that all of these should be handled in NVENC (or QSV with an Intel build) and for long term media storage you can definitely get away with so much less, even HDD can still run 4k24 medias and thatll be so much more cost effective per GB. If access time is and was a concern then you should just setup caching for the HDD instead of full SSD.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-13700 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($349.99 @ Best Buy) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($46.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z690-A ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($169.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Patriot Viper Black 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6200 CL40 Memory  ($104.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($135.69 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 8 TB 3.5" 5400 RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 8 TB 3.5" 5400 RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: ASRock Phantom Gaming OC Radeon RX 7900 XT 20 GB Video Card  ($779.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Fractal Design North ATX Mid Tower Case  ($151.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: NZXT C1000 (2022) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($179.99 @ B&H) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro OEM - DVD 64-bit  ($139.98 @ Newegg) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P14 PST 72.8 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($11.99 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P14 PST 72.8 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($11.99 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  ($9.99 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: LG 27UK850-W 27.0" 3840 x 2160 60 Hz Monitor  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Monitor: Gigabyte G27Q 27.0" 2560 x 1440 144 Hz Monitor  ($249.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $2543.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-04-19 08:08 EDT-0400

 

If you insist on NVENC (QSV is fine for 4K content for plex streaming) and want all of the CPU performance, then id say to just continue forward with the same system but put on a 4080 or 4070. 4070Ti needs to drop price imo. 

[filpo]

42 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

I think 7800X3D probably is the better chip here as the transcoding should be done on GPU (I think…).

 

Also, Ram and Motherboard actually seem needlessly expensive. PCIe Gen 5 looks unlikely to be useful in the near future and 6000 CL36 is alot cheaper and not noticeably slower. Do you have a superfast internet connection or internal network, cause if not 2.5Gbit might not be much use here.

 

Also, have you considered a 900 class AMD GPU? The extra Vram of AMD cards is certainly worth thinking about.

i agree. Also @XfaktorLTI would go with a five pack of p12s instead as they essentially have the same performance as nfa 12s but at a lower price (ik those are a14s but still)

[XfaktorLT]

I do have 1gb internet at home, and need speedy connection between NAS and other systems within network.

 

@filpo I will look into cheaper fans - thank you for suggestion.

 

@will0hlepRegarding motherboard and RAM, I agree they are bit expensive, will look into changing to CL36 6000 RAM as you suggested.

Any suggestion on the motherboard : that would fit use cases (2.5GB, bios flash, io shield and few fast usb/usb-c connections) ?

 

It is expensive end build for me, and I read that there are some issues but also over time improvements to the AMD GPU, and performance wise at least on user benchmarks - 4070/4070ti/4080 seems to have better scores. Since it is first build just wanted to go with more meta approach, just not to get disappointed

 

[XfaktorLT]

18 hours ago, SorryClaire said:

Yeah but the better V-Cached core is limited to 1 CCD that 7800X3D applies, thus the so called "frequency cores" (basically Zen 4 cores unaltered) is always gonna be inferior. Theoretically the AMD equivalent of Thread Director wouldve handled this properly but 1. its software only which means there will always be an overhead compared to dedicated hardware and 2. it has been shown to be very buggy right now much like most AMD software is, certain tasks that are cache heavy can be thrown to frequency cores and vice versa, and sometimes it can be split which bloats access times.  @will0hlepalso has a sound logic in that all of these should be handled in NVENC (or QSV with an Intel build) and for long term media storage you can definitely get away with so much less, even HDD can still run 4k24 medias and thatll be so much more cost effective per GB. If access time is and was a concern then you should just setup caching for the HDD instead of full SSD.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-13700 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($349.99 @ Best Buy) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($46.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z690-A ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($169.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Patriot Viper Black 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6200 CL40 Memory  ($104.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($135.69 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 8 TB 3.5" 5400 RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 8 TB 3.5" 5400 RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: ASRock Phantom Gaming OC Radeon RX 7900 XT 20 GB Video Card  ($779.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Fractal Design North ATX Mid Tower Case  ($151.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: NZXT C1000 (2022) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($179.99 @ B&H) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro OEM - DVD 64-bit  ($139.98 @ Newegg) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P14 PST 72.8 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($11.99 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P14 PST 72.8 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($11.99 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  ($9.99 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: LG 27UK850-W 27.0" 3840 x 2160 60 Hz Monitor  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Monitor: Gigabyte G27Q 27.0" 2560 x 1440 144 Hz Monitor  ($249.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $2543.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-04-19 08:08 EDT-0400

 

If you insist on NVENC (QSV is fine for 4K content for plex streaming) and want all of the CPU performance, then id say to just continue forward with the same system but put on a 4080 or 4070. 4070Ti needs to drop price imo. 

Thank you for your details answer, needed quite some to trying researching trying to understand your statements  (first build, bit of the noob). But really appreciate you input .

 

I agree Intel seems like a good and maybe even cheaper option, just for some bias of mine want to get AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU - feels more safe and future proof - as these are new generations, and as I recall Intel will launch new generation next year with new CPU socket or something.

 

Will look into other suggestions that you made in the part picker as options. Thank you. If there is any other input or ideas for my further research please let me know