Future Proof $2000 upgrade? For the next 3.5 years.

[realhoneybadger]

Budget (including currency): $ 2000

Country: US/China (I can source from both places, most of the stuff I am planning to buy are at MSRP)

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: GAMING ONLY

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

 

Hey guys, so I have been looking to upgrade my setup for a while now, here's my current build;

• 2070 Super Gigabyte Gaming OC;
• X570 MSI Tomahawk;
• Corsair DDR4 3600 RGB;
• Ryzen 3600X; 
• Seasonic Prime 1000w Platinum;

 

I am looking to upgrade my 1440p gaming experience. Throwing in a 4080 and a 5800x3d.

 

My questions are:

• Is this a future proof build? Will it potentially last me for the next 4 years of supreme 2k gaming experience? Especially given that I am not upgrading my ram to DDR5.
• Are there any bottlenecks in my current plan?

Games I am playing or am planning to play/re-play: RDR2 / MS Flight Simulator / MW2 + Future MW titles / Cyperpunk/  ??GTA 6?? / Last of Us

Here's the PC Part Picker List:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4RTC78

- Joshua
 

[filpo]

1 minute ago, joshualim said:

Is this a future proof build? Will it potentially last me for the next 4 years of supreme 2k gaming experience? Especially given that I am not upgrading my ram to DDR5.

With the 4080 and 5800x3d it seems like a very capable gaming system. i would go for this edited build of your example, (i would also go with a 7900 xtx but if you want to go with a 4080 cuz you like nvidia then by all means): https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xjHBXy

[realhoneybadger]

23 minutes ago, filpo said:

With the 4080 and 5800x3d it seems like a very capable gaming system. i would go for this edited build of your example, (i would also go with a 7900 xtx but if you want to go with a 4080 cuz you like nvidia then by all means): https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xjHBXy

Regarding 7900xtx vs 4080, I am brainwashed by the countless videos i've watched, and convinced myself NVIDIA is the safer choice. haha 

[filpo]

1 minute ago, realhoneybadger said:

Regarding 7900xtx vs 4080, I am brainwashed by the countless videos i've watched, and convinced myself NVIDIA is the safer choice. haha 

Lmao, they're essentially comparable in performance so its your decision

[Tan3l6]

Yup, only big plus for 4080 is DLSS 3.0 and raytracing performance vs AMD-s FSR.

Otherwise 7900XTX is a better choice.

[Dedayog]

30 minutes ago, realhoneybadger said:

Regarding 7900xtx vs 4080, I am brainwashed by the countless videos i've watched, and convinced myself NVIDIA is the safer choice. haha 

Yeah, not all that funny.  Open your mind, please.

 

And stop saying Future Proof, it's not a thing.

 

5800x3d and 7900xtx are the smart and obvious choices here.  You already have an overkill PSU, so you're set there.  

[YoungBlade]

Something I'd note is that the 5800X3D can't be overclocked, so you don't really need liquid cooling. Unless you're going with that AIO for purely aesthetic reasons, I'd go with a dual-tower air cooler for the improved longevity. It's just metal and a couple of fans, whereas an AIO has many more points of failure. The AIO is also going to cost you literally hundreds of dollars more.

 

The Peerless Assassin for $41 is hard to beat, considering that you'll get identical gaming performance between it and an AIO: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09LGY38L4

 

There's also the RGB version for $42 if you want the bling: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09P4M4C7K

[realhoneybadger]

12 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

Something I'd note is that the 5800X3D can't be overclocked, so you don't really need liquid cooling. Unless you're going with that AIO for purely aesthetic reasons, I'd go with a dual-tower air cooler for the improved longevity. It's just metal and a couple of fans, whereas an AIO has many more points of failure. The AIO is also going to cost you literally hundreds of dollars more.

 

The Peerless Assassin for $41 is hard to beat, considering that you'll get identical gaming performance between it and an AIO: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09LGY38L4

 

There's also the RGB version for $42 if you want the bling: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09P4M4C7K

Make sense, also do you think DDR5 is in any way necessary? I am just mainly gaming in 2k 165 hz, because I can't really tell the difference between 2k and 4k.

Also, that's a sick looking cooler. 

[YoungBlade]

24 minutes ago, realhoneybadger said:

Make sense, also do you think DDR5 is in any way necessary? I am just mainly gaming in 2k 165 hz, because I can't really tell the difference between 2k and 4k.

Also, that's a sick looking cooler. 

The 5800X3D only supports DDR4. You'd have to go to the AM5 platform (Ryzen 7000) or LGA1700 (Intel 12th and 13th gen) to gain DDR5 support.

 

An advantage of the 5800X3D is that it doesn't really need fast RAM. The big cache on the chip is what gives you the gaming performance boost by letting the CPU store 96MB of data in L3 cache.

 

Think of the CPU as a hungry restaurant goer and the cache size is the size of the plate. The V-Cache is like giving the person a plate 3x bigger than normal. It will take some time to eat through all that food. Whereas fast RAM is like putting the waiter on roller skates so he can go back and forth between the table and the kitchen faster to bring out more food. If you had a small plate, putting the waiter on skates will help, because he'll be back with food when you run out on your plate. But you don't really need both the big plate and the fast waiter to eat as quickly as possible.

[realhoneybadger]

45 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Yeah, not all that funny.  Open your mind, please.

 

And stop saying Future Proof, it's not a thing.

 

5800x3d and 7900xtx are the smart and obvious choices here.  You already have an overkill PSU, so you're set there.  

Dude, I get it. You aren't very fond of Nvidia. Me neither, given their greed. You don't have to tag me in another post with a condescending tone to prove your point.

I've been struggling to decide between a few GPUs and ultimately landed on the 4080. Is it that bad?

Also, I am trying to future proof 3-4 years into the future, not indefinitely, so I think it's a valid question.
 

Otherwise, I appreciate your help.

[realhoneybadger]

10 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

The 5800X3D only supports DDR4. You'd have to go to the AM5 platform (Ryzen 7000) or LGA1700 (Intel 12th and 13th gen) to gain DDR5 support.

 

An advantage of the 5800X3D is that it doesn't really need fast RAM. The big cache on the chip is what gives you the gaming performance boost by letting the CPU store 96MB of data in L3 cache.

 

Think of the CPU as a hungry restaurant goer and the cache size is the size of the plate. The V-Cache is like giving the person a plate 3x bigger than normal. It will take some time to eat through all that food. Whereas fast RAM is like putting the waitet on roller skates so he can go back and forth between the table and the kitchen faster to bring out more food. If you had a small plate, putting the waiter on skates will help, because he'll be back with food when you run out on your plate. But you don't really need both the big plate and the fast waiter to eat as quickly as possible.

Thank you, make sense! Would you otherwise say the upgrade is reasonable? Keeping my old mobo/ram.

[Dedayog]

7 minutes ago, realhoneybadger said:

Dude, I get it. You aren't very fond of Nvidia. Me neither, given their greed. You don't have to tag me in another post with a condescending tone to prove your point.

I've been struggling to decide between a few GPUs and ultimately landed on the 4080. Is it that bad?

Also, I am trying to future proof 3-4 years into the future, not indefinitely, so I think it's a valid question.
 

Otherwise, I appreciate your help.

The 4080 isn't bad necessarily, it's just not as good for the money as the 7900XTX.  If you WANT the 4080, for your reasons, go for it.  You seem to understand your own limitations, though I don't think it's a haha moment.  It's what is keeping Nvidia having damn near a deathgrip on the market and doesn't help out anyone.

 

You want a GPU that can handle your needs for 3-5 years, but that isn't future proofing.  Future proofing doesn't have a time frame, and all tech does.

 

All that said, you can't really go wrong with the 4080.  It's a workhorse and will handle whatever you throw at it damn well.  It's like I said, just not as good bang/buck, but it IS a stout card.

 

I also tagged you as an example, thru your own admission, of the perception of high end AMD products.  If I am incorrect, please let me know and I can delete the post.

 

To clarify... No, I am not trying to be and asshole. I just think we need to adjust our thought process and word use a little.   If I came off as condescending I apologize.  Text isn't the best medium for discussion.

[YoungBlade]

46 minutes ago, realhoneybadger said:

Thank you, make sense! Would you otherwise say the upgrade is reasonable? Keeping my old mobo/ram.

The 5800X3D is still a great gaming chip, and I don't see it becoming a bad option until the next console generation. The current consoles basically have 3700X CPUs with really good iGPUs, so that's going to be the target for any game developed for consoles in the next few years. A 5800X3D is about 45% faster for gaming on average than the 3700X, so you certainly won't have any gaming situation arise where it becomes "unplayable" in the near future. It may not be able to give you tons of FPS four years from now - you may run into future games where a stable 60FPS is starting to be difficult to achieve - but that's the nature of running a then 5 year old CPU.

 

Even the legendary 2600K - arguably the best gaming CPU of all time in terms of longevity - struggled in some games in 2016, like Watch Dogs 2. You can see in this video here that even OC'ed to 4.3GHz and paired with a GTX 1080, in some sections of the game it can't quite get up to 60fps. There's nothing that can be done about that. At the end of your 4 years, you're gonna be coasting on fumes no matter what CPU you get.

 

Techspot actually tested the RTX 4080 with the Ryzen 7 5800X3D, so you can look at their numbers to see if you're happy with the performance the 5800X3D brings to the table with that GPU. The weakest showing was 128FPS average in Cyberpunk 2077. For the latest AAA title "The Last of Us Part 1" (granted the game is very unoptimized), you can see in this video that that pairing gives you about 100FPS average at 1440p max settings.

 

But if we look at this from a value perspective, the 5800X3D is a great choice for you. You're getting gaming performance near the level of chips like the 12900K and 7950X that cost way more on their own and would require you to also do a platform upgrade with DDR5, which is going to blow out the cost considerably.

 

So yes, I would say keeping your motherboard and RAM is very reasonable.

[realhoneybadger]

1 hour ago, YoungBlade said:

The 5800X3D is still a great gaming chip, and I don't see it becoming a bad option until the next console generation. The current consoles basically have 3700X CPUs with really good iGPUs, so that's going to be the target for any game developed for consoles in the next few years. A 5800X3D is about 45% faster for gaming on average than the 3700X, so you certainly won't have any gaming situation arise where it becomes "unplayable" in the near future. It may not be able to give you tons of FPS four years from now - you may run into future games where a stable 60FPS is starting to be difficult to achieve - but that's the nature of running a then 5 year old CPU.

 

Even the legendary 2600K - arguably the best gaming CPU of all time in terms of longevity - struggled in some games in 2016, like Watch Dogs 2. You can see in this video here that even OC'ed to 4.3GHz and paired with a GTX 1080, in some sections of the game it can't quite get up to 60fps. There's nothing that can be done about that. At the end of your 4 years, you're gonna be coasting on fumes no matter what CPU you get.

 

Techspot actually tested the RTX 4080 with the Ryzen 7 5800X3D, so you can look at their numbers to see if you're happy with the performance the 5800X3D brings to the table with that GPU. The weakest showing was 128FPS average in Cyberpunk 2077. For the latest AAA title "The Last of Us Part 1" (granted the game is very unoptimized), you can see in this video that that pairing gives you about 100FPS average at 1440p max settings.

 

But if we look at this from a value perspective, the 5800X3D is a great choice for you. You're getting gaming performance near the level of chips like the 12900K and 7950X that cost way more on their own and would require you to also do a platform upgrade with DDR5, which is going to blow out the cost considerably.

 

So yes, I would say keeping your motherboard and RAM is very reasonable.

Thank you! Much appreciated