new pc

[calluc]

Budget (including currency): 1000 euro

Country: germany

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for:world of warships and world of tanks (maybe dcs)

Other details 1080p 75+herz must fit in my antec nx 410

upgrading form an intel i 5 4400 nvidia 710

 

[Dr. Will0hlep]

Do you already have the case? or is the case requirement casue you like the way it looks?

[PDifolco]

46 minutes ago, calluc said:

Budget (including currency): 1000 euro

Country: germany

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for:world of warships and world of tanks (maybe dcs)

Other details 1080p 75+herz must fit in my antec nx 410

upgrading form an intel i 5 4400 nvidia 710

 

Can suggest that, with the antec case included in price

If you already have it you could up the GPU to a 6800 for just a few EUR more

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€142.49 @ Mindfactory) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK400 66.47 CFM CPU Cooler  (€33.90 @ Alza) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE AX V2 ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€169.90 @ Alza) 
Memory: Kingston FURY Beast 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (€38.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN570 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€54.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: ASRock Radeon RX6700XT CLD 12G Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card  (€407.99 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: Antec NX410 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€87.23 @ Galaxus) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM650 (2019) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€88.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €1024.21
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-02-15 14:33 CET+0100

 

[Queen Chrysalis]

1 hour ago, PDifolco said:

Can suggest that, with the antec case included in price

If you already have it you could up the GPU to a 6800 for just a few EUR more

I believe OP already has the case.  With a few adjustments, you can get really close to a 1000e 6800 built without sacrificing anything (and getting a gen 4 drive and a slightly higher-wattage PSU for that GPU).  The 16GB of RAM is actually a better deal than any of the 3200MHz 32GB kits, so here it would actually make sense to just get 16GB and then add more later if needed:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€142.49 @ Mindfactory) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer A35 CO CPU Cooler  (€25.98 @ Aquatuning) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550M DS3H AC Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€111.90 @ Alza) 
Memory: Kingston FURY Beast 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (€38.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Kingston NV2 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€54.90 @ Alza) 
Video Card: Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 6800 16 GB Video Card  (€585.88 @ Galaxus) 
Case: Antec NX410 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€0.00) 
Power Supply: be quiet! Pure Power 11 700 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  (€78.89 @ notebooksbilliger.de) 
Total: €1038.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-02-15 15:28 CET+0100

 

But frankly, the 6800 being a 185 euros more that the 6700xt (Asus DUAL Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card (DUAL-RX6700XT-12G) - PCPartPicker) might be a bit of a push on value, as IDK if that small of an end-state fps increase is worth it for OP's games.  It might be, especially with the VRAM uptick, but OP, know that with a 6700xt you'd get essentially the same system for 840 Euros, as you would also only need a 650w PSU (Super Flower Legion GX Pro 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (SF- 650P14XE) - PCPartPicker) and that PSU would probably also be totally fine for a 6800.

[Jeppes]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600X 4.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€247.99 @ Mindfactory)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer A35 CO CPU Cooler  (€25.98 @ Aquatuning)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650M DS3H Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€177.90 @ Alza)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL32 Memory  (€156.98 @ notebooksbilliger.de)
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN570 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€54.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: PowerColor Fighter Radeon RX 6600 8 GB Video Card  (€271.99 @ Mindfactory)
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE GOLD 750 V2 FULL MODULAR 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€101.80 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €1037.54
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-02-15 16:15 CET+0100

 

I would spend more on cpu-side as that way you get a platform that will last you next 4-8 years with a few upgrades. Its not like you need a powerful gpu for those games 1080p.

[Queen Chrysalis]

20 minutes ago, Jeppes said:

I would spend more on cpu-side as that way you get a platform that will last you next 4-8 years with a few upgrades. Its not like you need a powerful gpu for those games 1080p.

That's spending over $300 more now on a CPu to play games at a lower framerate in the hopes that later on this decision might be beneficial for to spend an additional $500 or so on another GPU later.  So you're taking worse performance now in the hopes that it might enable you to spend even mor on slightly better performance later on. 

 

A 6700xt or 6800 will likely last way, way longer than a 6600 in terms of maintaining a high level of performance, so an upgrade would likely not be needed to the GPU until the expiration of the AM5 platform anyway, whereas someone would be more likely to grow tired of a 6600 far sooner, and then end up upgrading to a GPU that would probably be about the same as a 6700xt, maybe a 6800xt, and spend additional money on that, which still would really not benefit from a 7600 over a 5600. 

 

The performance delta between the two is very small, and the 7600 costs way more because of motherboard and RAM, and the cost of the chip itself. 

 

By the time a user would want to upgrade from a 6800, they'd likely want a GPU that would be a bit fast for a 7600x anyway.

 

Future proofing is almost always a fool's errand, especially on a 100 euro budget.

[Queen Chrysalis]

Now that I think of it OP, if you did the 6700xt build instead of the 6800, you could totally get a good gaming monitor to go with your system if you don't have one already.  And the 6700xt is hella fast, it could easily drive your desired games at 1440165Hz.

[calluc]

thanks guys but i already have the case

 

[Jeppes]

10 minutes ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

That's spending over $300 more now on a CPu to play games at a lower framerate in the hopes that later on this decision might be beneficial for to spend an additional $500 or so on another GPU later.  So you're taking worse performance now in the hopes that it might enable you to spend even mor on slightly better performance later on. 

 

A 6700xt or 6800 will likely last way, way longer than a 6600 in terms of maintaining a high level of performance, so an upgrade would likely not be needed to the GPU until the expiration of the AM5 platform anyway, whereas someone would be more likely to grow tired of a 6600 far sooner, and then end up upgrading to a GPU that would probably be about the same as a 6700xt, maybe a 6800xt, and spend additional money on that, which still would really not benefit from a 7600 over a 5600. 

 

The performance delta between the two is very small, and the 7600 costs way more because of motherboard and RAM, and the cost of the chip itself. 

 

By the time a user would want to upgrade from a 6800, they'd likely want a GPU that would be a bit fast for a 7600x anyway.

 

Future proofing is almost always a fool's errand, especially on a 100 euro budget.

You wont need a faster gpu for those games 1080p 75fps. 5600 and rx6600 is way cheaper but you are also buying into a dead platform.

 

And its a bit silly to claim choosing a platform for years to come makes no sense when people run 5800x3d on old boards while people who went for intel 6600K are upgrading everything.

[calluc]

2 hours ago, Jeppes said:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600X 4.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€247.99 @ Mindfactory)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer A35 CO CPU Cooler  (€25.98 @ Aquatuning)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650M DS3H Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€177.90 @ Alza)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL32 Memory  (€156.98 @ notebooksbilliger.de)
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN570 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€54.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: PowerColor Fighter Radeon RX 6600 8 GB Video Card  (€271.99 @ Mindfactory)
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE GOLD 750 V2 FULL MODULAR 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€101.80 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €1037.54
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-02-15 16:15 CET+0100

 

I would spend more on cpu-side as that way you get a platform that will last you next 4-8 years with a few upgrades. Its not like you need a powerful gpu for those games 1080p.

one question why is your list the only one where pcpartpicker tells me that there ins`t a bios incompapelliti here is my list https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/calluc/saved/rFf9K8

 

 

[Queen Chrysalis]

2 hours ago, Jeppes said:

You wont need a faster gpu for those games 1080p 75fps. 5600 and rx6600 is way cheaper but you are also buying into a dead platform.

 

Then why get a slightly faster CPU for hundreds more? 

 

'Dead platform' is a total meme.  Save for AM4, where there was really only a beenficial upgrade if you bought in gen 1 and upgraded at the end, these things don't stick around long.  Every platform is usually a dead platform unless you're gonna upgrade in a year or less, which should never happen.  And the hardware necessity creep is slower than ever, especially for CPUs.  Odds are, if you buy a motherboard and a CPU, you're gonna use them together and upgrade them both when upgrade time comes.  It is so very rare that you can reuse a motherboard for a CPU upgrade unless you are a nerd that upgrades more frequently then they ought to.  It's definitely not worth overspending in the present on, especially when at best it's not beneficial, and at worst it means your sacrificing budget allocation to a component that would have a real benefit in the present.

 

2 hours ago, Jeppes said:

1080p 75fps.

there's the dead ringer.  You can get a 5600 and a 6700xt system for $850.  $180 less than a 6600 7600 system and about twice as fast in every game.  You know what would improve the game experience more than anything else under the sun for ~$200?

 

AOC AG323QCX2 31.5" 2560 x 1440 144 Hz Curved Monitor (AG323QCX2) - PCPartPicker

 

Literally the most important part of a gaming system.  If 75Hz is the target, then a 7600x becomes a really bad value, but a 5600 is more than capable of hitting 144fps ionpretty much everything, especially when paired with a GPU that actually has a good amount of VRAM.

[calluc]

i cant buy it in germany

On 2/15/2023 at 6:58 PM, Queen Chrysalis said:

Then why get a slightly faster CPU for hundreds more? 

 

'Dead platform' is a total meme.  Save for AM4, where there was really only a beenficial upgrade if you bought in gen 1 and upgraded at the end, these things don't stick around long.  Every platform is usually a dead platform unless you're gonna upgrade in a year or less, which should never happen.  And the hardware necessity creep is slower than ever, especially for CPUs.  Odds are, if you buy a motherboard and a CPU, you're gonna use them together and upgrade them both when upgrade time comes.  It is so very rare that you can reuse a motherboard for a CPU upgrade unless you are a nerd that upgrades more frequently then they ought to.  It's definitely not worth overspending in the present on, especially when at best it's not beneficial, and at worst it means your sacrificing budget allocation to a component that would have a real benefit in the present.

 

there's the dead ringer.  You can get a 5600 and a 6700xt system for $850.  $180 less than a 6600 7600 system and about twice as fast in every game.  You know what would improve the game experience more than anything else under the sun for ~$200?

 

AOC AG323QCX2 31.5" 2560 x 1440 144 Hz Curved Monitor (AG323QCX2) - PCPartPicker

 

Literally the most important part of a gaming system.  If 75Hz is the target, then a 7600x becomes a really bad value, but a 5600 is more than capable of hitting 144fps ionpretty much everything, especially when paired with a GPU that actually has a good amount of VRAM.

 

[Queen Chrysalis]

4 hours ago, calluc said:

i cant buy it in germany

 

oops,

 

ViewSonic VX2718-2KPC-MHD 27.0" 2560 x 1440 165 Hz Curved Monitor (VX2718-2KPC-MHD) - PCPartPicker

[Jeppes]

On 2/15/2023 at 7:58 PM, Queen Chrysalis said:

Then why get a slightly faster CPU for hundreds more? 

 

'Dead platform' is a total meme.  Save for AM4, where there was really only a beenficial upgrade if you bought in gen 1 and upgraded at the end, these things don't stick around long.  Every platform is usually a dead platform unless you're gonna upgrade in a year or less, which should never happen.  And the hardware necessity creep is slower than ever, especially for CPUs.  Odds are, if you buy a motherboard and a CPU, you're gonna use them together and upgrade them both when upgrade time comes.  It is so very rare that you can reuse a motherboard for a CPU upgrade unless you are a nerd that upgrades more frequently then they ought to.  It's definitely not worth overspending in the present on, especially when at best it's not beneficial, and at worst it means your sacrificing budget allocation to a component that would have a real benefit in the present.

 

there's the dead ringer.  You can get a 5600 and a 6700xt system for $850.  $180 less than a 6600 7600 system and about twice as fast in every game.  You know what would improve the game experience more than anything else under the sun for ~$200?

 

AOC AG323QCX2 31.5" 2560 x 1440 144 Hz Curved Monitor (AG323QCX2) - PCPartPicker

 

Literally the most important part of a gaming system.  If 75Hz is the target, then a 7600x becomes a really bad value, but a 5600 is more than capable of hitting 144fps ionpretty much everything, especially when paired with a GPU that actually has a good amount of VRAM.

If you over-spend on something you dont need, let it be something you can use in the future.