Is this SSD good?

[VexPoxLV_]

Hello!

I have a question- Is this SSD good?

Kingston NV2 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive

[Gokul_P]

8 minutes ago, VexPoxLV_ said:

Hello!

I have a question- Is this SSD good?

Kingston NV2 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive

it is is cheap ssd. it will work fine prob it is a dram less ssd so reliablity and perfomance will be not great so in perfomance it get beaten by a pcie gen 3 drive easily. and if you have the budget i strongly recomend getting dram SSD it will be faster and more reliable. 

[YoungBlade]

5 minutes ago, Gokul_P said:

it is is cheap ssd. it will work fine prob it is a dram less ssd so reliablity and perfomance will be not great so in perfomance it get beaten by a pcie gen 3 drive easily. and if you have the budget i strongly recomend getting dram SSD it will be faster and more reliable. 

This is true, but the use case does matter. For read-heavy use cases, like loading games, a DRAM cache doesn't really matter. So if this is a secondary games drive, it'll be fine. But as a boot drive, I completely agree - if you can afford it, you should get a drive with a DRAM cache.

[Gokul_P]

Just now, YoungBlade said:

This is true, but the use case does matter. For read-heavy use cases, like loading games, a DRAM cache doesn't really matter. But as a boot drive, I completely agree - if you can afford it, you should get a drive with a DRAM cache.

But even for  game loading games Nv2 isnt great though it has a terrible  perfomance compared to every other drive(for it credit all of the others do cost more than nv2). Its a functioning drive for the ones in a budget. 

[YoungBlade]

7 minutes ago, Gokul_P said:

But even for  game loading games Nv2 isnt great though it has a terrible  perfomance compared to every other drive(for it credit all of the others do cost more than nv2). Its a functioning drive for the ones in a budget. 

Unless DirectStorage ever comes to fruition, or next gen games are coded very differently from current games, for loading games off a dedicated drive, there is no appreciable difference in performance between NVMe drives - whether they are 1000MB/s or 7000MB/s. The bottlenecks for game loading lie elsewhere at that point (CPU, RAM, engine limitations, etc)

[Dedayog]

1 hour ago, Gokul_P said:

But even for  game loading games Nv2 isnt great though it has a terrible  perfomance compared to every other drive(for it credit all of the others do cost more than nv2). Its a functioning drive for the ones in a budget. 

No way you'd notice any difference in SATA or any NVMe as your boot or game drive. 

 

Dont look at benchmarks, you have to look at real world use.

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Dose Dram really make any real world difference with an NVMe for regular use as a boot drive? I understand those who commonly move around large files like raw 4k video, but besides this what are the actual downsides?

 

Just wondering what I'm missing out on because my Dram-less NVMe is much faster than any of the regular SSDs I've used in my rig

Edited January 23, 2023 by lotus10101

[Dedayog]

5 minutes ago, lotus10101 said:

Dose Dram really make any real world difference with an NVMe for regular use as a boot drive? I understand those who commonly move around large files like raw 4k video, but besides this what are the actual downsides?

No real downsides you would notice in use. 

 

Also, can you possibly place a space after the 5800X3D in your sig?  and add a ? after the "stack of cache"?  It's a good phrase.

 

Like:

 

Ryzen 5800X3D (Because who doesn't like a phat stack of cache?)

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2 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

No real downsides you would notice in use. 

 

Also, can you possibly place a space after the 5800X3D in your sig?  and add a ? after the "stack of cache"?  It's a good phrase.

 

Like:

 

Ryzen 5800X3D (Because who doesn't like a phat stack of cache?)

Good idea ,gimmie a sec

 

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3 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

 

 

Ryzen 5800X3D (Because who doesn't like a phat stack of cache?)

I tried to put money emote also but it doesn't show up...

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5 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

No real downsides you would notice in use. 

 

Okay cool, just so many go on about how useless and unreliable Dramless drives are but I've never noticed a problem...In fact once before I bought a 870 evo SSD because people raved about them and it was the worst user experience I've ever had with any drive, total nightmare, then again I have bad luck with Samsung products, they just don't agree with me...

[Dedayog]

22 minutes ago, lotus10101 said:

Okay cool, just so many go on about how useless and unreliable Dramless drives are but I've never noticed a problem...In fact once before I bought a 870 evo SSD because people raved about them and it was the worst user experience I've ever had with any drive, total nightmare, then again I have bad luck with Samsung products, they just don't agree with me...

Yes.  SSD's are the biggest paper vs. use discrepancy out right now.

 

I mean 500GB/s vs 7500GB /s should result in a huge difference in use, but it doesn't and people need to understand what SSD's really do and the factors making up their real world use cases.  The marketing just hypes that up and a lot of review sites love to sensationalize the speeds for views without explaining things. 

 

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9 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Yes.  SSD's are the biggest paper vs. use discrepancy out right now.

 

I mean 500GB/s vs 7500GB /s should result in a huge difference in use, but it doesn't and people need to understand what SSD's really do and the factors making up their real world use cases.  The marketing just hypes that up and a lot of review sites love to sensationalize the speeds for views without explaining things. 

 

The only thing that concerns me though is a lot of folks say dramless nvme's are less reliable, I guess because random reads and writes have to take place on the permanent storage rather than cache, though not to concerned I don't download, install and delete that much from primary drive, mostly on second drive and page file is set to the second but I hardly ever hit the pagefile because 32gig is more than enough for my daily use case

[YoungBlade]

18 minutes ago, lotus10101 said:

The only thing that concerns me though is a lot of folks say dramless nvme's are less reliable, I guess because random reads and writes have to take place on the permanent storage rather than cache, though not to concerned I don't download, install and delete that much from primary drive, mostly on second drive and page file is set to the second but I hardly ever hit the pagefile because 32gig is more than enough for my daily use case

DRAM caches are more a "nice-to-have" these days than a necessity. SLC caching combined with systems that allow the drive to use a portion of system RAM as a cache really help.

 

If you can afford it, a DRAM cache drive is better, but it's sort of like saying that a 360mm AIO is better than a 240mm AIO or that a Ryzen 7 7700 is better than a Ryzen 5 7600 - the statement is true, but how much it matters depends on the use case. The better products cost more and if you don't need the benefits of them, then that money is potentially wasted.

 

If you are a video editor, for example, and you plan to edit off of the same drive as your boot drive, then I'd say that a DRAM cache is probably worth the investment. DRAM cache drives tend to have more TBW (terabytes written) endurance and do better in situations where the drive is trying to read/write/access multiple files at once. The improved performance and longevity are probably worth it. But if you're an everyday user and gamer, then a DRAM cache is like having a 7700 over a 7600 - the two extra cores are nice, and in some situations you see a benefit, but it's questionable whether it's worth the money if all you're doing is just gaming.