Over Clocking

[NextraMia]

Increased the ratios of my cpu + ram to get lower temperature, i also activated TPU II from the ASUS app. When ever I try to change something from the TPU section of the app it gives me this pop up! Not sure it's a problem or not but even with it giving me that warning it still does what I set it to in the TPU profile.

[NextraMia]

help would be grateful!  

[NextraMia]

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, NextraMia said:

Increased the ratios of my cpu + ram to get lower temperature,

How would that make for lower temps? Faster usually = hotter unless you're able to overclock while reducing voltage. 

2 minutes ago, NextraMia said:

i also activated TPU II from the ASUS app

Looks like an auto-OC feature, those usually assign stupidly high voltages, I wouldn't recommend enabling it anyways. 

 

Not sure about the error with the software, have you ran it as admin to make sure it's allowed to access whatever it wants/needs as a troubleshooting step? 

[NextraMia]

might be some bad settings aswell since i've recently had my pc "half" freeze out of nowhere. When it freezes the desktop is still interactable but nothing happens when i click on things

[NextraMia]

2 minutes ago, Zando_ said:

How would that make for lower temps? Faster usually = hotter unless you're able to overclock while reducing voltage. 

Looks like an auto-OC feature, those usually assign stupidly high voltages, I wouldn't recommend enabling it anyways. 

 

Not sure about the error with the software, have you ran it as admin to make sure it's allowed to access whatever it wants/needs as a troubleshooting step? 

before I enabled TPU II i had everything on auto, so it would jump crazy between 4.1GHz idle to 5.1GHz in games. (that really made my temps messed up) Now the cpu is not going above the TPU settings which makes it a little slower I'd guess but the temps and over all stability is much better  

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, NextraMia said:

before I enabled TPU II i had everything on auto, so it would jump crazy between 4.1GHz idle to 5.1GHz in games

That sounds like normal behavior. Are you hitting out of spec temps (90C max safe for your 5950X, so anything above that) or thermal throttling? If not then your chip is fine. 

[NextraMia]

4 minutes ago, Zando_ said:

Not sure about the error with the software, have you ran it as admin to make sure it's allowed to access whatever it wants/needs as a troubleshooting step? 

I have it set to always start with admin

[NextraMia]

Just now, Zando_ said:

That sounds like normal behavior. Are you hitting out of spec temps (90C max safe for your 5950X, so anything above that) or thermal throttling? If not then your chip is fine. 

to be honest, i mostly turned it down so it gets a little more quiet because it would always be at around 80C even sometimes in idle.

[Zando_]

Just now, NextraMia said:

to be honest, i mostly turned it down so it gets a little more quiet because it would always be at around 80C even sometimes in idle.

80C at idle sounds like either a) it isn't actually idling or b) bad mounting pressure on the cooler (you'd need to remove it, clean off the thermal paste on both IHS and AIO coldplate, apply fresh, and reinstall making sure you screw/clamp/however your cooler attaches down properly). 

 

If it's being too loud, look to tuning your fan curve first. For anything with a radiator you can usually run a pretty low rpm with very little drop in cooling performance. I run my EVGA CLC 280 with 2 NF-P14s fans at like 800-1200rpm or so depending on coolant temp, not CPU temp (always want your AIO to run off coolant temp). They don't ramp up much so it's basically always quiet. Currently cooling an i9 7980XE with a milder OC, so probably as much/more heat than a 5950X can put out. 

[NextraMia]

I mean, how much performance do I lose if my 5950x is being locked on 4.1GHz? I got around 50C max temp when I ran a heavy game.

[NextraMia]

the basic TPU II is at 4.1GHz and everything was fine until I wanted a little more speed to my cpu, I increased both the speeds and the voltages but for some reason my PC kept freezing.

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, NextraMia said:

I mean, how much performance do I lose if my 5950x is being locked on 4.1GHz? I got around 50C max temp when I ran a heavy game.

A lot probably. 200-300MHz is enough to notice a performance difference in actual use. And on anything that uses all the cores, that'll be even more noticeable. But, if it performs as well as you need it to then that's a non-issue (SFF folks especially, regularly downclock their hardware so they can pull voltage back and cool beefy chips in tiny boxes). 

2 minutes ago, NextraMia said:

the basic TPU II is at 4.1GHz and everything was fine until I wanted a little more speed to my cpu, I increased both the speeds and the voltages but for some reason my PC kept freezing.

Instability. When an overclock isn't stable it'll either freeze up or completely crash the system. 

 

For these newer AMD chips you're better off leaving them stock. You can enable PBO, run through your normal tasks and some synthetic benches to ensure it made the chip run faster (sometimes increasing power makes it run slower due to less thermal headroom), but that's about it. Manual tuning is really not worth it unless you have a lot of time and know what you're doing. They run pretty close to their limits out of the box, not much headroom. 

[KnoT]

5 minutes ago, NextraMia said:

I mean, how much performance do I lose if my 5950x is being locked on 4.1GHz? I got around 50C max temp when I ran a heavy game.

Lots, dunno what are you even doing here and why.

Stop playing with static overclocks and use CurverOptimizer and go with negative values. 

[RONOTHAN##]

3 minutes ago, NextraMia said:

I mean, how much performance do I lose if my 5950x is being locked on 4.1GHz? I got around 50C max temp when I ran a heavy game.

In games, somewhere around 15-25% in purely CPU bound situations. In general all core workloads, around 7-10%. 

 

Just leave PBO enabled, and possibly play around with the curve optimizer. Static clocks on Ryzen just don't make a whole lot of sense outside of very specific scenarios. 

[KnoT]

1 minute ago, RONOTHAN## said:

In games, somewhere around 15-25% in purely CPU bound situations. In general all core workloads, around 7-10%. 

 

Just leave PBO enabled, and possibly play around with the curve optimizer. Static clocks on Ryzen just don't make a whole lot of sense outside of very specific scenarios. 

 

If he wants lower temps without sacrificing much performance he should not enable PBO and just go with negative on curveoptimizer as far as they go this way he will gain performance in all core worloads and reduce temps.