Persistent stuttering after reset

[Asper2988]

Hi everyone, so for about a month now I've had persistent stuttering in any game I play. The stuttering only appeared after I reset my PC, and at this point I feel like I've tried every solution I could find, even posting on Tom's Hardware before this Question - Games stuttering after reset | Tom's Hardware Forum (tomshardware.com). The main solutions I've tried to no avail were: Reinstalling my GPU drivers after using DDU, rolling back my GPU drivers, updating BIOS and chipsets, monitoring temps using afterburner, running sfc /scannow, culling my start-up programs and finally following this youtube guide that had me using Latencymon. It should also be mentioned that I tried updating to windows 11 which actually helped the issue somewhat although the stuttering is still very much there. In case it's needed I made a new benchmark as well MSI B450-A PRO MAX (MS-7B86) Performance Results - UserBenchmark, also the PSU is Bequiet! l11-cm-600w.
Needless to say, I would appreciate any and all help you guys are willing to provide

I also captured this gameplay to hopefully shed some light on the issue.

 

Edited October 15, 2022 by Asper2988
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[Bombastinator]

I’ve seen heat issues without temps being visually high.   The issue is temp probes only measure the places they are at.  There might be some part of the gpu that is over temp but has no probe.  My test for that is generally to give a machine way way more cold air than it should need and see if it changes anything.  I generally pull the side panel off and point a reallly powerful fan at it.  The one I got is for drying out area rugs.  It’s like 4500cfm.   A box fan might do it though.  They’re also pretty big. Anyway, if that fixes it it’s a heat issue.  If it doesn’t it probably isn’t.

 

another thing to look at is if you are cpu limited or gpu limited, and work from there.  The questions are when under load one of the two should be near 100%.  If neither is, do you have a zen2 cpu, and what is the MHz reading under load?

Edited October 15, 2022 by Bombastinator

[Asper2988]

12 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

I’ve seen heat issues without temps being visually high.   The issue is temp probes only measure the places they are at.  There might be some part of the gpu that is over temp but has no probe.  My test for that is generally to give a machine way way more cold air than it should need and see if it changes anything.  I generally pull the side panel off and point a reallly powerful fan at it.  The one I got is for drying out area rugs.  It’s like 4500cfm.   A box fan might do it though.  They’re also pretty big. Anyway, if that fixes it it’s a heat issue.  If it doesn’t it probably isn’t.

 

another thing to look at is if you are cpu limited or gpu limited, and work from there.  The questions are when under load one of the two should be near 100%.  If neither is, do you have a zen2 cpu, and what is the MHz reading under load?

The CPU is a R5 2600x, and the GPU a 1660ti, so I wouldn't think anything is being bottlenecked. As for the CPU it seems to boost up to 3.975 - 4.0 MHz. Adding to this the stuttering is present even in menus and stuff where the system isn't being stressed. I'll get back to you about the fan idea if I can find one in my house. 

[Asper2988]

I tested out the fan trick, unfortunately it didn't seem to have any effect, so I don't think the GPU is throttling. The drops also seem to be present no matter how much I cap the frames and get worse if I leave them uncapped.

[Bombastinator]

3 hours ago, Asper2988 said:

The CPU is a R5 2600x, and the GPU a 1660ti, so I wouldn't think anything is being bottlenecked. As for the CPU it seems to boost up to 3.975 - 4.0 MHz. Adding to this the stuttering is present even in menus and stuff where the system isn't being stressed. I'll get back to you about the fan idea if I can find one in my house. 

Everything bottlenecks.  Always.  The question is how much?  I’ve got a pretty well balanced system for fallout 4.  4770k with garbage oc, and a 580.  I get 80% on the cpu with 100% on the cpu.  So I’m gpu capped on that machine, but not by much.  The whole fear of bottlenecking thing is stupid and doomed to failure anyway. You will always hit 100% cpu or 100% gpu.  The question is how big is the other when that limit is hit?  If you’re not hitting either though that signifies a problem.  The machine May supposed to be well balanced, but it also shouldn’t stutter which means something is up somewhere.  I’m just trying to find out where.

Edited October 16, 2022 by Bombastinator

[Bombastinator]

2 hours ago, Asper2988 said:

I tested out the fan trick, unfortunately it didn't seem to have any effect, so I don't think the GPU is throttling. The drops also seem to be present no matter how much I cap the frames and get worse if I leave them uncapped.

It does everything.  Cpu, gpu, VRM, etc..  if you threw a lot off air in it though and nothing happend it’s likely something other than a heat issue though.  This is the problem with stuttering.  There’s just a ton of different things that might cause it and the only way to find it is just start whacking moles.

[Asper2988]

1 hour ago, Bombastinator said:

Everything bottlenecks.  Always.  The question is how much?  I’ve got a pretty well balanced system for fallout 4.  4770k with garbage oc, and a 580.  I get 80% on the cpu with 100% on the cpu.  So I’m gpu capped on that machine, but not by much.  The whole fear of bottlenecking thing is stupid and doomed to failure anyway. You will always hit 100% cpu or 100% gpu.  The question is how big is the other when that limit is hit?  If you’re not hitting either though that signifies a problem.  The machine May supposed to be well balanced, but it also shouldn’t stutter which means something is up somewhere.  I’m just trying to find out where.

At least for FF14 it reaches 99% GPU at 40% CPU, so you might be on to something, if I'm reading afterburner correctly anyway. It's just strange because this issue only cropped up after resetting the PC...

[SamClan]

I would go with RAM issue and checking if it is in dual mode. or as it is called nowadays 2x 64-bit 

use CPU-Z for that.

xmp/DOCP enabled or disabled?

 

or a hard drive problem, go check your SMART 

 

 

you have those stutterings in all of your games

 

 

btw do you got bf4, bf1, bf5?

 

 

[Asper2988]

1 hour ago, SamClan said:

I would go with RAM issue and checking if it is in dual mode. or as it is called nowadays 2x 64-bit 

use CPU-Z for that.

xmp/DOCP enabled or disabled?

 

or a hard drive problem, go check your SMART 

 

 

you have those stutterings in all of your games

 

 

btw do you got bf4, bf1, bf5?

 

 

Unfortunately, I don't own those titles and it's getting late over here so I'll get back to you tomorrow when I've checked that stuff

[Bombastinator]

8 hours ago, Asper2988 said:

At least for FF14 it reaches 99% GPU at 40% CPU, so you might be on to something, if I'm reading afterburner correctly anyway. It's just strange because this issue only cropped up after resetting the PC...

Could just be coincidence rather than causality

[Bombastinator]

4 hours ago, Asper2988 said:

Unfortunately, I don't own those titles and it's getting late over here so I'll get back to you tomorrow when I've checked that stuff

CpuZ is freeware.  So there’s that at least.

[Asper2988]

On 10/16/2022 at 9:45 PM, SamClan said:

I would go with RAM issue and checking if it is in dual mode. or as it is called nowadays 2x 64-bit 

use CPU-Z for that.

xmp/DOCP enabled or disabled?

 

or a hard drive problem, go check your SMART 

 

 

you have those stutterings in all of your games

 

 

btw do you got bf4, bf1, bf5?

 

 

On 10/17/2022 at 3:47 AM, Bombastinator said:

CpuZ is freeware.  So there’s that at least.

 

Unfortunately, it seems like my RAM doesn't support XMP/DOCP, but it was running in dual channel. As for the storage, I'm using two SSDs in non-raid config that are about 2 years old. EDIT: Crystaldisk shows the drives as being in good condition.

Edited October 18, 2022 by Asper2988
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[Bombastinator]

25 minutes ago, Asper2988 said:

 

Unfortunately, it seems like my RAM doesn't support XMP/DOCP, but it was running in dual channel. As for the storage, I'm using two SSDs in non-raid config that are about 2 years old.

Well that’s odd.  What ram do you have what is it running at and what is it rated for?

[Asper2988]

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

Well that’s odd.  What ram do you have what is it running at and what is it rated for?

[Bombastinator]

Oh.  Remember it’s DDR RAM double data rate.   1333x2 is 2666

[Asper2988]

3 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Oh.  Remember it’s DDR RAM double data rate.   1333x2 is 2666

yeah don't worry haha, I was worried for a sec but I looked it up

[Asper2988]

bumb

[Bombastinator]

Reset specifically?  I hate how Microsoft for gets it used a word already so it can mean 2 things.  There is the reset key which is like a reboot, and there is the reset where you reinstall windows but keep your data.  Not sure what the difference is between reset and refresh.  Probably is one though.  Reset may have changed a setting back to default.  Maybe look at those. 
 

reset and in restart is different than the power button in that it forces a reboot instead of that obnoxious hybernation with toys thing Microsoft does. That could mean something too.  Tempted to try a refresh instead.

[Asper2988]

11 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Reset specifically?  I hate how Microsoft for gets it used a word already so it can mean 2 things.  There is the reset key which is like a reboot, and there is the reset where you reinstall windows but keep your data.  Not sure what the difference is between reset and refresh.  Probably is one though.  Reset may have changed a setting back to default.  Maybe look at those. 
 

reset and in restart is different than the power button in that it forces a reboot instead of that obnoxious hybernation with toys thing Microsoft does. That could mean something too.  Tempted to try a refresh instead.

Ah sorry for not clarifying, I meant reset as in reinstalling windows.
 

[Bombastinator]

4 hours ago, Asper2988 said:

Ah sorry for not clarifying, I meant reset as in reinstalling windows.
 

Not your fault.  When one does that the windows OS is rewritten but not your data.  Perhaps something modified th OS ever so slightly when it got installed.  So what was rewritten wasn’t actually exactly the same as what was there earlier.  Is this just a games machine? Using software sites like steam?

[Asper2988]

1 hour ago, Bombastinator said:

Not your fault.  When one does that the windows OS is rewritten but not your data.  Perhaps something modified th OS ever so slightly when it got installed.  So what was rewritten wasn’t actually exactly the same as what was there earlier.  Is this just a games machine? Using software sites like steam?

Yeah it's mainly for gaming, and only has steam, spotify and discord on it. 

[Bombastinator]

1 hour ago, Asper2988 said:

Yeah it's mainly for gaming, and only has steam, spotify and discord on it. 

Steam has a backup system. So that simplifies backups there.  Doesn’t make downloading a game any faster though. I don’t know much about Spotify or discord.  A clean install sounds possible.  Not particularly comfortable but possible.

[Asper2988]

On 10/21/2022 at 1:05 AM, Bombastinator said:

Steam has a backup system. So that simplifies backups there.  Doesn’t make downloading a game any faster though. I don’t know much about Spotify or discord.  A clean install sounds possible.  Not particularly comfortable but possible.

Hi sorry for the late reply. After performing a full system format and reinstall of windows, the problem unfortunately still remains, and i don't really know what else to do at this point. My main take away would probably be that it could be hardware related if it still persists after all this.