3 new builds. please help

[leonardmartin29]

Budget (including currency): unlimited

Country: canada

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: first computer will be a balls to the wall pc for gaming and my main pc, second will be a htpc and third will also be htpc both htpc may do some family gaming etc.

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

computer 1 https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/DBHhY9 this one is pretty much done.

i want a small case for both htpc, something that will fit in a tv cabinet. high quality parts. i like intel, asus, corsair, evga, seasonic. i only buy from canada computers and amazon canada. these 2 computers will be plugged into a tv which the model is Samsung 75" Class - QN9DA Series - 4K UHD Neo QLED LCD TV

[An0maly_76]

Have you seen this one? If this is too big, you might want to consider using a microATX board.

 

https://www.amazon.ca/SilverStone-Technology-Computer-Micro-ATX-Motherboards/dp/B093Y3ZHQB

Edited August 26, 2022 by An0maly_76
Revised, more info

[Queen Chrysalis]

i feel like I say this 100 times a day but could spend half to a third of this budget for identical gaming performance.  90% of the 'balls to the walls' part won't affect anything and is spent on components you can't even see, and you have no CPU cooler.

 

This would game exactly the same:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-12600KF 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor  ($339.50 @ shopRBC) 
CPU Cooler: Vetroo U6 Pro 58.2 CFM CPU Cooler  ($69.98 @ Amazon Canada) 
Motherboard: ASRock B660 Pro RS ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($94.94 @ Vuugo) 
Memory: ADATA XPG GAMMIX D20 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($59.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 PRO 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($98.98 @ Amazon Canada) 
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3080 10GB LHR 10 GB VENTUS 3X PLUS OC Video Card  ($889.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Case: Corsair iCUE 4000X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  ($154.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Power Supply: Phanteks AMP 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($102.02 @ Amazon Canada) 
Monitor: Samsung Odyssey G50A 32.0" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor  ($399.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Total: $2210.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-26 18:32 EDT-0400

 

The 12900k is a horrible value considering the 12600k has the same cores, runs a lot cooler, and already has 6 hyperthreaded p-cores for your game and 4 additional single threaded e-cores for everything else.  You'll probably get better fps with the 12600k in similar cooling conditions just because of how hard the 12900k is to cool.

 

The Pro RS motherboards have RGB functionality and decent heatsinks where they are needed, as well as some onboard RGB.  Spending over $300 on a motherboard does nothing for performance, and z690 is pointless because alder lake CPUs will automatically boost to their max frequencies without overclocking, and B660 still allows for literally every other feature.

 

A 4TB high performance SSD is just silly and offers nothing for gaming.  That is a product that really only benefits professionals that spend literally all day moving enormous files back and forth for work.   A good Gen 3 NVMe with a DRAM cache is gonna give you all the performance a game can utilize and some, and if 1TB isn't enough you can add a 2 TB SATA SSD for like $150 that will still load games nearly instantly in comparison.  

 

You can get your RAM for half that (a quarter if you just went with 16GB which is still gonna game exactly the same).  Reflective heatsink RAM actually has a really cool aesthetic opposed to RGB ram when placed near an RGB cooler like the one on the parts list I made.  You can also OC it if you want.

 

The 3080 doesn't need a 1000w PSU, a well made 750w will do, and if you must satiate yourself an 850 is more than enough.  Going from 850w to 1000w always incurs a HUGE premium for something that isn't gonna do anything.

 

If you must have the 5000T then go for it but the 5000X has the same fans and roughly the same aesthetic for a third of the price, and PLENTY of room to work and cool.

 

The monitor is a newer version of the odyssey G5 with a better panel.

 

Don't buy a windows key for full price, they can be had on eBay for like $10 and they work every time.

 

 

[brob]

What do you mean by "family gaming etc."?

[leonardmartin29]

2 hours ago, brob said:

What do you mean by "family gaming etc."?

i am building my main rig for my computer room. the HTPC will be for guests, family, friends etc to use. one htpc will be put in the basement in a rec room, and the other one is going in the main living room for the whole house to use. 

[leonardmartin29]

5 hours ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

i feel like I say this 100 times a day but could spend half to a third of this budget for identical gaming performance.  90% of the 'balls to the walls' part won't affect anything and is spent on components you can't even see, and you have no CPU cooler.

 

This would game exactly the same:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-12600KF 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor  ($339.50 @ shopRBC) 
CPU Cooler: Vetroo U6 Pro 58.2 CFM CPU Cooler  ($69.98 @ Amazon Canada) 
Motherboard: ASRock B660 Pro RS ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($94.94 @ Vuugo) 
Memory: ADATA XPG GAMMIX D20 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($59.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 PRO 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($98.98 @ Amazon Canada) 
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3080 10GB LHR 10 GB VENTUS 3X PLUS OC Video Card  ($889.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Case: Corsair iCUE 4000X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  ($154.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Power Supply: Phanteks AMP 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($102.02 @ Amazon Canada) 
Monitor: Samsung Odyssey G50A 32.0" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor  ($399.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Total: $2210.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-26 18:32 EDT-0400

 

The 12900k is a horrible value considering the 12600k has the same cores, runs a lot cooler, and already has 6 hyperthreaded p-cores for your game and 4 additional single threaded e-cores for everything else.  You'll probably get better fps with the 12600k in similar cooling conditions just because of how hard the 12900k is to cool.

 

The Pro RS motherboards have RGB functionality and decent heatsinks where they are needed, as well as some onboard RGB.  Spending over $300 on a motherboard does nothing for performance, and z690 is pointless because alder lake CPUs will automatically boost to their max frequencies without overclocking, and B660 still allows for literally every other feature.

 

A 4TB high performance SSD is just silly and offers nothing for gaming.  That is a product that really only benefits professionals that spend literally all day moving enormous files back and forth for work.   A good Gen 3 NVMe with a DRAM cache is gonna give you all the performance a game can utilize and some, and if 1TB isn't enough you can add a 2 TB SATA SSD for like $150 that will still load games nearly instantly in comparison.  

 

You can get your RAM for half that (a quarter if you just went with 16GB which is still gonna game exactly the same).  Reflective heatsink RAM actually has a really cool aesthetic opposed to RGB ram when placed near an RGB cooler like the one on the parts list I made.  You can also OC it if you want.

 

The 3080 doesn't need a 1000w PSU, a well made 750w will do, and if you must satiate yourself an 850 is more than enough.  Going from 850w to 1000w always incurs a HUGE premium for something that isn't gonna do anything.

 

If you must have the 5000T then go for it but the 5000X has the same fans and roughly the same aesthetic for a third of the price, and PLENTY of room to work and cool.

 

The monitor is a newer version of the odyssey G5 with a better panel.

 

Don't buy a windows key for full price, they can be had on eBay for like $10 and they work every time.

 

 

i want a balls to the wall pc so a 12600k aint that a 12900k is. i will be using a corsair h series 360 aio which will have no problem cooling a 12900k. i love asus products and corsair which is why i want a asus motherboard. z60 give me some features i want. 4tb nvme drive i want the space. rtx 3080 i believe recommends a 850 watt psu. i always go abit higher so in a couple years i can easily upgrade. i want 32 gb of ram. cost is not a issue. i want the 5000t because its what i fell in love with the style. thanks for the newer monitor. i dont support EBAY sorry scammers most times. if you could suggest a system for htpc that would be much more useful

[leonardmartin29]

6 hours ago, An0maly_76 said:

Have you seen this one? If this is too big, you might want to consider using a microATX board.

 

https://www.amazon.ca/SilverStone-Technology-Computer-Micro-ATX-Motherboards/dp/B093Y3ZHQB

thats excellent looks good

[Queen Chrysalis]

13 minutes ago, leonardmartin29 said:

i want a balls to the wall pc so a 12600k aint that a 12900k is. i will be using a corsair h series 360 aio which will have no problem cooling a 12900k. i love asus products and corsair which is why i want a asus motherboard. z60 give me some features i want. 4tb nvme drive i want the space. rtx 3080 i believe recommends a 850 watt psu. i always go abit higher so in a couple years i can easily upgrade. i want 32 gb of ram. cost is not a issue. i want the 5000t because its what i fell in love with the style. thanks for the newer monitor. i dont support EBAY sorry scammers most times.

I mean, any alder lake CPU with a rtx 3080 is as fast as you can get, so IDK what's not balls to the walls about that.  The 12600k is a 10 core that outperforms last year's i9 in everything.  If you buy that i9 more than half of those cores will never do anything.  There's a difference between getting the best product and spending the most money. 

 

I'm telling you, for gaming the firecuda drive won't change anything, and 90% of your games would run the same on a mechanical HDD, so going with a 1TB NVMe for the games that could maybe benefit form it, and a 2TB SATA SSD for the rest is gonna get you an identical gaming experience for a third of the price.  You can also get a great 1000w PSU for a lot less than the HX, (the only reason I have one is because some kid on craigslist didn't know how to fill out a warranty form and gave me his for $20).  Also, the 3080 is crazy fast, how soon are you looking to upgrade from it?

 

850w:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/927p99/evga-g5-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-g5-0850-x1

 

1000w:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/7GcRsY/evga-g5-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-g5-1000-x1

 

EVGA PSUs are great and they undercut the market because they're used to operating on GPU margins, and FSP makes the G5.

 

Also, keep in mind, the vast majority of these brands don't actually make power supplies, memory chips, or pumps.  They have other companies make them.  Memory chips (so your SSD and RAM) are only made by micron, hynix, and samsung, and all three make a quality product so you can literally just get whatever has the specs you want and it'll work.  Corsair actually does make their own pumps now, and they're not as good as they were when they used asetek pumps.  You can actually get an unbranded asetekl gen 5 or gen 6 if you look hard enough, but almost everyone else still uses asetek pumps and sells their AiOs for less.  The arctic freezer II is the go-to at the moment.

20 minutes ago, leonardmartin29 said:

 if you could suggest a system for htpc that would be much more useful

Is this gonna be gaming or just doing movies?

[leonardmartin29]

24 minutes ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

I mean, any alder lake CPU with a rtx 3080 is as fast as you can get, so IDK what's not balls to the walls about that.  The 12600k is a 10 core that outperforms last year's i9 in everything.  If you buy that i9 more than half of those cores will never do anything.  There's a difference between getting the best product and spending the most money. 

 

I'm telling you, for gaming the firecuda drive won't change anything, and 90% of your games would run the same on a mechanical HDD, so going with a 1TB NVMe for the games that could maybe benefit form it, and a 2TB SATA SSD for the rest is gonna get you an identical gaming experience for a third of the price.  You can also get a great 1000w PSU for a lot less than the HX, (the only reason I have one is because some kid on craigslist didn't know how to fill out a warranty form and gave me his for $20).  Also, the 3080 is crazy fast, how soon are you looking to upgrade from it?

 

850w:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/927p99/evga-g5-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-g5-0850-x1

 

1000w:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/7GcRsY/evga-g5-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-g5-1000-x1

 

EVGA PSUs are great and they undercut the market because they're used to operating on GPU margins, and FSP makes the G5.

 

Also, keep in mind, the vast majority of these brands don't actually make power supplies, memory chips, or pumps.  They have other companies make them.  Memory chips (so your SSD and RAM) are only made by micron, hynix, and samsung, and all three make a quality product so you can literally just get whatever has the specs you want and it'll work.  Corsair actually does make their own pumps now, and they're not as good as they were when they used asetek pumps.  You can actually get an unbranded asetekl gen 5 or gen 6 if you look hard enough, but almost everyone else still uses asetek pumps and sells their AiOs for less.  The arctic freezer II is the go-to at the moment.

Is this gonna be gaming or just doing movies?

the reason i like the corsair hx1000i because with the corsair aio and corsair ram, and other corsair things like the commander pro i am getting for fan control. i like using one software. i have a samsung 970 evo plus 2x2tb now and that works perfect but i want a upgrade which would be the firecuda. i would like it to be on one single drive not 2x2tb

both movies and games. 

[leonardmartin29]

i really like this Silverstone GD09B so i will get 2 of those. im thinking of a 12600k and rtx3070 32gb ram(because i use google chrome and games are starting to recommend it) corsair 850 watt psu. what cpu cooler would someone recommend for that case with a 12600k. will a aio 240 fit on the side? same storage as before firecuda 530 4tb for each system. 

[brob]

Given the htpc requirement for 4k gaming the units are fairly powerful. 

 

I'd suggest a NAS for media storage.

 

HTPC

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700 2.1 GHz 12-Core Processor  ($481.69 @ Amazon Canada) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock TF 2 CPU Cooler  ($119.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX B660-I GAMING WIFI Mini ITX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($249.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL36 Memory  ($229.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Storage: ADATA Swordfish 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($179.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8 GB XC3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card  ($908.29 @ Amazon Canada) 
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox NR200 Mini ITX Desktop Case  ($106.57 @ Amazon Canada) 
Power Supply: Corsair SF750 750 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply  ($174.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Total: $2451.50
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-27 00:55 EDT-0400

[leonardmartin29]

16 minutes ago, brob said:

Given the htpc requirement for 4k gaming the units are fairly powerful. 

 

I'd suggest a NAS for media storage.

 

HTPC

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700 2.1 GHz 12-Core Processor  ($481.69 @ Amazon Canada) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock TF 2 CPU Cooler  ($119.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX B660-I GAMING WIFI Mini ITX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($249.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL36 Memory  ($229.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Storage: ADATA Swordfish 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($179.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8 GB XC3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card  ($908.29 @ Amazon Canada) 
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox NR200 Mini ITX Desktop Case  ($106.57 @ Amazon Canada) 
Power Supply: Corsair SF750 750 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply  ($174.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Total: $2451.50
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-27 00:55 EDT-0400

i like the idea of goin 12700 yea man. more power. ive never been a be quiet fan. would any noctua coolers work with this case. love the motherboard choice. and ram choice.

im not sure what im gonna do for whole house media storage quite yet. either way i want 4tb of storage on each computer of nvme game storage. i like have all 200+ of my games downloaded and playable all the time. locked and loaded ready to go. 

[brob]

1 hour ago, leonardmartin29 said:

i like the idea of goin 12700 yea man. more power. ive never been a be quiet fan. would any noctua coolers work with this case. love the motherboard choice. and ram choice.

im not sure what im gonna do for whole house media storage quite yet. either way i want 4tb of storage on each computer of nvme game storage. i like have all 200+ of my games downloaded and playable all the time. locked and loaded ready to go. 

 

NH-C14S, https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/kykwrH/noctua-nh-c14s-8252-cfm-cpu-cooler-nh-c14s