PC Upgrade

[Bigborris5]

Budget (including currency): £400

Country: UK

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Non demanding games, maybe just to experience ray tracing in Minecraft. (No way am I using ray tracing when playing MC casually with this GPU)

Other details I want at the least a 120fps average when playing some not so demanding games. I'm also looking into getting an i5 9400f if it does bottleneck.

 

[Rauten]

Don't.

Seriously, DON'T.

 

The 6500XT demands PCIe 4.0 support to function properly. Any 9th processor is limited to PCIe gen 3.0.
So no, the i5 9400F would NOT solve it.

Avoid the 6500XT like the plague.

 

For 400 queenerinos, you should be able to get an RX 6600/XT.

[stage]

Do not het 6500 xt whatever you do. Its  mobile chip plastered on pcie slot. Its shit.

 

There is rx 6600 for 260 pounds on overclockers uk for example.

 

Also you have 400 for whole build or just card and cpu?

[Pixelfie]

Not recommended. PCIe 3.0 really bottlenecks this card. Save up for an RX 6600, even if you will be bottlenecked by the CPU it will be a better experience than the 6500 XT being bottlenecked by PCIe 3.0.

 

If you can't, look for a used RX 5500 XT/RX 590/GTX 1660. They perform similar to a 6500 XT without the bottleneck of PCIe 3.0 and 4gb VRAM. They have more features too, like hardware encoding. Usually they're also a lot cheaper. Just make sure to not get scammed, so see it run games at the expected performance of these cards before paying.

[Bigborris5]

50 minutes ago, stage said:

Do not het 6500 xt whatever you do. Its  mobile chip plastered on pcie slot. Its shit.

 

There is rx 6600 for 260 pounds on overclockers uk for example.

 

Also you have 400 for whole build or just card and cpu?

400 is just the card cpu and psu, doing an upgrade to a pc i have currently

 

[Bigborris5]

45 minutes ago, Pixelfie said:

Not recommended. PCIe 3.0 really bottlenecks this card. Save up for an RX 6600, even if you will be bottlenecked by the CPU it will be a better experience than the 6500 XT being bottlenecked by PCIe 3.0.

 

If you can't, look for a used RX 5500 XT/RX 590/GTX 1660. They perform similar to a 6500 XT without the bottleneck of PCIe 3.0 and 4gb VRAM. They have more features too, like hardware encoding. Usually they're also a lot cheaper. Just make sure to not get scammed, so see it run games at the expected performance of these cards before paying.

Does the 6600 run on PCIe 4.0 aswell?

And would it be better to get an AMD CPU and a 6600?

[Pixelfie]

1 minute ago, Bigborris5 said:

Does the 6600 run on PCIe 4.0 aswell?

Yes, but unlike the 6500 XT running on PCIe 3.0 will give pretty much the same performance. This is because the 6500 XT uses x4 while the 6600 uses x8.

[Bigborris5]

29 minutes ago, Pixelfie said:

Yes, but unlike the 6500 XT running on PCIe 3.0 will give pretty much the same performance. This is because the 6500 XT uses x4 while the 6600 uses x8.

This is my pc currently https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/c6KBzf   I want a bit more power and just want to experience ray tracing first hand. Don't want to exceed £400 in upgrades as I'm on a tight budget.  Anything you would reccomend?

 

[Bigborris5]

This is my pc currently https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/c6KBzf   I want a bit more power and just want to experience ray tracing first hand. Don't want to exceed £400 in upgrades as I'm on a tight budget.  Anything up for reccomendations?

 

[Rauten]

11 minutes ago, Bigborris5 said:

This is my pc currently https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/c6KBzf   I want a bit more power and just want to experience ray tracing first hand. Don't want to exceed £400 in upgrades as I'm on a tight budget.  Anything you would reccomend?

 

Ooofff... we have a problem. Your power supply provides a meager 350W. That is no bueno. You would need to grab a better PSU. But, that can be done within your 400 pounds budget.

For example:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/83dXVw

[Pixelfie]

9 minutes ago, Bigborris5 said:

This is my pc currently https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/c6KBzf   I want a bit more power and just want to experience ray tracing first hand. Don't want to exceed £400 in upgrades as I'm on a tight budget.  Anything you would reccomend?

 

I would upgrade to an RX 6600 and a better PSU. While you're probably going to get bottlenecked by the CPU, it won't be bad enough to get stuttering or something like that. No way the RX 6500 XT or RX 6400 will be capable of ray tracing (my RX 6600 already gets into the 30s-40s with Minecraft ray tracing). Older AMD cards don't have ray tracing, and Nvidia RTX cards aren't in budget

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i3-9100F 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor  (Purchased For £0.00) 
Motherboard: Asus PRIME H310-PLUS ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (Purchased For £0.00) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (Purchased For £0.00) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 256 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (Purchased For £0.00) 
Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (Purchased For £0.00) 
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 6600 8 GB Fighter Video Card  (£269.89 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Case: Corsair Carbide 175R RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For £0.00) 
Power Supply: BitFenix Whisper M 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£68.89 @ Amazon UK) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Home OEM 64-bit  (Purchased For £0.00) 
Total: £338.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-01 12:29 BST+0100

[MLConian]

8 minutes ago, Bigborris5 said:

This is my pc currently https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/c6KBzf   I want a bit more power and just want to experience ray tracing first hand. Don't want to exceed £400 in upgrades as I'm on a tight budget.  Anything up for reccomendations?

 

You could maybe put an RTX3050 in there and pull some raytracing off, assuming your PSU doesn't overheat - but in all fairness, for 400 pounds you're out of luck. Your CPU would bottleneck any GPU capable of decent raytracing (RTX3070 and up), and even just those GPUs are over budget - even if you sell your current GPU. And then you'd have to get a new PSU as well, because there's no way your system would run with any stability on just 350W.

[venomtail]

24 minutes ago, Bigborris5 said:

This is my pc currently https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/c6KBzf   I want a bit more power and just want to experience ray tracing first hand. Don't want to exceed £400 in upgrades as I'm on a tight budget.  Anything up for reccomendations?

 

£400 for RTX not possible. Only possible if you yolo £400 on some used RTX system but since you budget is so low I assume there is no way you'll spend anything anywhere that doesn't guarantee you a part works 100% out of the box or money back..

 

This is as cheap as I can get it for new parts and RTX. Don't even know what that PSU is and can't guarantee you it's not a ticking timebomb:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i3-12100F 3.3 GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£89.50 @ Technextday) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (£129.99 @ AWD-IT) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (£55.99 @ Corsair UK) 
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN570 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£46.50 @ Amazon UK) 
Video Card: PNY GeForce RTX 3050 8GB 8 GB XLR8 Gaming REVEL EPIC-X RGB Video Card  (£283.48 @ Ebuyer) 
Case: BitFenix Nova ATX Mid Tower Case  (£32.99 @ Currys PC World) 
Power Supply: Aerocool Integrator 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£28.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £667.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-01 12:57 BST+0100

 

£300 for a 3050 is one of the worst deals on the planet so don't ever consider it but that at least paints a picture. For £300 you could try a 2070 or maybe even a 2080 if you're lucky but a GPU alone is 3/4th of your budget.

RTX is the premium of already premium features. Either save up more or readjust your expectations.

[Bigborris5]

30 minutes ago, Pixelfie said:

I would upgrade to an RX 6600 and a better PSU. While you're probably going to get bottlenecked by the CPU, it won't be bad enough to get stuttering or something like that. No way the RX 6500 XT or RX 6400 will be capable of ray tracing (my RX 6600 already gets into the 30s-40s with Minecraft ray tracing). Older AMD cards don't have ray tracing, and Nvidia RTX cards aren't in budget

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i3-9100F 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor  (Purchased For £0.00) 
Motherboard: Asus PRIME H310-PLUS ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (Purchased For £0.00) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (Purchased For £0.00) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 256 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (Purchased For £0.00) 
Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (Purchased For £0.00) 
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 6600 8 GB Fighter Video Card  (£269.89 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Case: Corsair Carbide 175R RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For £0.00) 
Power Supply: BitFenix Whisper M 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£68.89 @ Amazon UK) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Home OEM 64-bit  (Purchased For £0.00) 
Total: £338.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-01 12:29 BST+0100

I've been considering an RTX 2060 as I found one on amazon for a lower price than the 6600. Would that be as powerful or is it worth using extra money for the newer 6600?  (https://www.amazon.co.uk/EVGA-GeForce-Gaming-GDDR6-06G-P4-2062-KR/dp/B07MVNPKWN/ref=sr_1_2?crid=23OYPHX9VJ1BT&keywords=rtx+2060&qid=1659355625&sprefix=rtx+2060%2Caps%2C76&sr=8-2)     The 350w power supply would have 11w spare so I would upgrade that to a 400 or 450

 

[Rauten]

Posting multiple threads for the same thing is, in general, disliked.

 

[Pixelfie]

4 minutes ago, Bigborris5 said:

I've been considering an RTX 2060 as I found one on amazon for a lower price than the 6600. Would that be as powerful or is it worth using extra money for the newer 6600?  (https://www.amazon.co.uk/EVGA-GeForce-Gaming-GDDR6-06G-P4-2062-KR/dp/B07MVNPKWN/ref=sr_1_2?crid=23OYPHX9VJ1BT&keywords=rtx+2060&qid=1659355625&sprefix=rtx+2060%2Caps%2C76&sr=8-2)

 

That's a good price. I'd say go for it

[Bigborris5]

14 minutes ago, venomtail said:

£400 for RTX not possible. Only possible if you yolo £400 on some used RTX system but since you budget is so low I assume there is no way you'll spend anything anywhere that doesn't guarantee you a part works 100% out of the box or money back..

 

This is as cheap as I can get it for new parts and RTX. Don't even know what that PSU is and can't guarantee you it's not a ticking timebomb:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i3-12100F 3.3 GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£89.50 @ Technextday) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (£129.99 @ AWD-IT) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (£55.99 @ Corsair UK) 
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN570 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£46.50 @ Amazon UK) 
Video Card: PNY GeForce RTX 3050 8GB 8 GB XLR8 Gaming REVEL EPIC-X RGB Video Card  (£283.48 @ Ebuyer) 
Case: BitFenix Nova ATX Mid Tower Case  (£32.99 @ Currys PC World) 
Power Supply: Aerocool Integrator 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£28.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £667.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-01 12:57 BST+0100

 

£300 for a 3050 is one of the worst deals on the planet so don't ever consider it but that at least paints a picture. For £300 you could try a 2070 or maybe even a 2080 if you're lucky but a GPU alone is 3/4th of your budget.

RTX is the premium of already premium features. Either save up more or readjust your expectations.

Yeah, I've found an RTX 2060 on amazon for £212, considering using that and upgrading the psu to a 400 or 450w

[venomtail]

1 hour ago, Bigborris5 said:

This is my pc currently https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/c6KBzf   I want a bit more power and just want to experience ray tracing first hand. Don't want to exceed £400 in upgrades as I'm on a tight budget.  Anything up for reccomendations?

 

1 hour ago, Bigborris5 said:

Yeah, I've found an RTX 2060 on amazon for £212, considering using that and upgrading the psu to a 400 or 450w

mb I missed that you had an existing system already. 

There's currently a bid on a 2080. Might be worth a shot but it's not worth more than £250. Or maybe a more sensible 2070.

There is 0 reasons as to why you would upgrade from 350W to 400/450. £30 down the toilet. At least make it flush away easier with a takeaway. Just invest into a good PSU that'll last you a decade. You've got the money for it.

[Centericpcnerd]

8 hours ago, Bigborris5 said:

Yeah, I've found an RTX 2060 on amazon for £212, considering using that and upgrading the psu to a 400 or 450w

Like venomtail said, do not egt a 400/450w psu. Get somthing thats like a 600w or somthing. Futureproof your build. You never know how power hungry your future mods may be, if its over 400/450w, you've wasted money on a slight upgrade. Why did you get a 350w in the first place? I understand it runs your setup fine (hopefully) but from the beginning you should have gone over 450w anyway, would've wasted less money than upgrading down the line.

[Bigborris5]

4 minutes ago, Centericpcnerd said:

Like venomtail said, do not egt a 400/450w psu. Get somthing thats like a 600w or somthing. Futureproof your build. You never know how power hungry your future mods may be, if its over 400/450w, you've wasted money on a slight upgrade. Why did you get a 350w in the first place? I understand it runs your setup fine (hopefully) but from the beginning you should have gone over 450w anyway, would've wasted less money than upgrading down the line.

I see you point with getting the 350w in the first place, it was just easier as my budget then for my pc was about 400 ish bucks it was a cheap build, but this was before I knew much about pcs so I got someone to build it for me.

[Centericpcnerd]

8 minutes ago, Bigborris5 said:

I see you point with getting the 350w in the first place, it was just easier as my budget then for my pc was about 400 ish bucks it was a cheap build, but this was before I knew much about pcs so I got someone to build it for me.

First off, 400 bucks? That's not much for a pc of higher specs, surprised you pulled it off there.   I recommend you one of these three PSUs, personally I would pick the 750w one as it is better W for £.

750w:  https://www.awd-it.co.uk/hot-deals/thermaltake-toughpower-gf-750w-gold-certified-modular-psu.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjw852XBhC6ARIsAJsFPN0yaacRUVJ2WTGRizwv4MYCtper6BZJ9kMW3gpGeISO1hKglA7p4mMaAoPMEALw_wcB

600w: https://www.cclonline.com/100-gd-0600-v3-evga-600-gd-600w-power-supply-80-plus-gold/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw852XBhC6ARIsAJsFPN02A9ITDTXHOyTp9g2YJQESsmAuQ36XqqllFOOLzpmxiZyg0IXcNT8aAhybEALw_wcB

And if you still can't pull that off in your budget (If you get a better cpu, which I would recommend for an rtx 2060, you could use an i5 9400f, saves you the hassle of getting a new motherboard.) Then get this Cheap as one which is from a trusted brand but is an 80+ white

600w (80+ White):  https://www.box.co.uk/EVGA-600W-W1-80-PLUS-White-Non-Modular-_1801504.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjw852XBhC6ARIsAJsFPN2FHLrHGuKYh8Oz90R3SWzutultgUYSDeex8zHt1RpKUjLXS4pj-xUaAkEbEALw_wcB

Just, whatever you do, don't go under 550w at the bare least.