Gaming / deep learning rig, first time builder

[sleuth_]

Budget (including currency): 3 - 4k USD with tax (15 - 20k PLN)

Country: Poland

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: 

First and foremost it will be used for deep learning training. It will be a separate qusi-server attached to 4K 60 Hz TV (possible upgrade in the future). Mostly I'll connect remotely to it with SSH/Parsec. I plan to have Windows 11 with WSL.

I'll also game on it either on TV or with Parsec. I mostly play games like Death Stranding, Assassins Creed, Stray, Ratchet&Clank etc so rather graphic intensive games.

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

1. I plan to buy within 2 months, but need to pick parts now as this will be probably co-financed by the government.
2. I'll be also undervolting the GPU to save power, decrease outputted heat and noise.
3. This might run for weeks with full GPU utilization. (EDIT: week -> weeks)
4. Quieter would be better as it will be permanently turned on in living room.
5. This is my first build.

This is what I came up with:

• AMD Ryzen 9 5950X (570 USD / 2650 PLN)
• Asus ROG Strix OC GeForce RTX 3090 24GB (1500 USD / 7000 PLN)
• G.Skill RipjawsV 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3600MHz CL16 Black (160 USD / 749 PLN)
• Corsair 4000D Airflow (125 USD / 580 PLN)
• EDIT: MSI MPG B550 GAMING EDGE WIFI DDR4 (190 USD / 900 PLN) (EDIT: previously I gave Gigabyte B550 AORUS PRO AC AM4)
• SilentiumPC Navis F240 (75 USD / 350 PLN)
• Noctua NF-S12A PWM chromax.black.swap (35 USD / 160 PLN)
• 2x Noctua NF-A14 PWM chromax.black.swap (total: 55 USD / 260 PLN)
• Samsung 980 PRO 2TB (280 USD / 1300 PLN)
• Seasonic PRIME GX-1000 80Plus Gold 1000W (235 USD / 1100 PLN)

What do you think? EDIT: Is sth an overkill here?

 

I you want to check prices yourself you can go to https://www.ceneo.pl/ and than when you're on a product page you can choose "najniższej ceny" (lowest price first) in "Sortuj od" (sort by).

 

Thanks!

[OddOod]

Welcome to the forums!
That looks like a rad rig. The AIO is my only concern. You might get better milage out of a DH15 with a third fan and it will certainly last longer because AIOs tend to die after a few years while the 15 will last til kingdom come. If you do got AIO, I would do the inadvisable thing of putting the rad on the roof and do push pull with Noctua fans in exhaust config. Then you'll want to bench the rig and tune the fans til a full load doesn't cause thermal throttling.

[brob]

If the CPU will be continuously heavily loaded for days, consider a motherboard with hardier VRM. The MSI MPG B550 Unify and Gigabyte Aorus Master for example.

[igormp]

On 7/29/2022 at 11:21 AM, sleuth_ said:

I plan to have Windows 11 with WSL.

FWIW, doing ML on Windows (either native or through WSL2) is slower than on linux.

 

On 7/29/2022 at 11:21 AM, sleuth_ said:

• G.Skill RipjawsV 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3600MHz CL16 Black (160 USD / 749 PLN)

I'm not sure which kinds of models/datasets you'll be using, but for me, whenever I work with anything SOTA, 32gb are far from enough. I'd recommend you to go with 2x32gb instead.

On 7/29/2022 at 3:06 PM, brob said:

If the CPU will be continuously heavily loaded for days, consider a motherboard with hardier VRM. The MSI MPG B550 Unify and Gigabyte Aorus Master for example.

The GPU will, not the CPU, that mobo is more than enough.

[sleuth_]

On 7/29/2022 at 4:36 PM, OddOod said:

Welcome to the forums!

Thx!

 

On 7/29/2022 at 4:36 PM, OddOod said:

You might get better milage out of a DH15 with a third fan and it will certainly last longer because AIOs tend to die after a few years while the 15 will last til kingdom come.

Is is it really that big of an issue? I tried to research that and it seems that catastrophic failures are really rare, but AIO has advantage of being quieter and more efficient.

On 7/29/2022 at 4:36 PM, OddOod said:

If you do got AIO, I would do the inadvisable thing of putting the rad on the roof and do push pull with Noctua fans in exhaust config

You mean negative pressure built where air is only exhausted, but sucked in "passively"?

11 hours ago, igormp said:

FWIW, doing ML on Windows (either native or through WSL2) is slower than on linux.

Yeah that's my concern, but alternatives are:

• having Windows VM on Linux for gaming and figuring out how to give it direct GPU access, I'd also had to buy Intel CPU with iGPU for that or separate GPU
• dual-booting and having problems with remote access to all of this stuff and switching between OS
• gaming on Linux, but than I won't have Game Pass and I'll probably have a lot of problems.

Maybe you have other ideas?

11 hours ago, igormp said:

On 7/29/2022 at 4:21 PM, sleuth_ said:

• G.Skill RipjawsV 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3600MHz CL16 Black (160 USD / 749 PLN)

I'm not sure which kinds of models/datasets you'll be using, but for me, whenever I work with anything SOTA, 32gb are far from enough. I'd recommend you to go with 2x32gb instead.

On 7/29/2022 at 8:06 PM, brob said:

If the CPU will be continuously heavily loaded for days, consider a motherboard with hardier VRM. The MSI MPG B550 Unify and Gigabyte Aorus Master for example.

The GPU will, not the CPU, that mobo is more than enough.

I agree going with higher memory. With the CPU it's a little bit "I dunno" because you're sometimes forced to use CPU, because VRAM is just not enough. But I think that occasions are rare and usually you try to use GPU anyway as it gives you usually ~7x boost of performance.

 

Thank you for you input and I'm looking forward to hearing from you more

[igormp]

1 hour ago, sleuth_ said:

having Windows VM on Linux for gaming and figuring out how to give it direct GPU access, I'd also had to buy Intel CPU with iGPU for that or separate GPU

That's kinda of a hassle to setup, but once you get it working you should be good to go. The only problem would be to re-enable the GPU back on linux once you're done playing, idk how that would go.

1 hour ago, sleuth_ said:

dual-booting and having problems with remote access to all of this stuff and switching between OS

Easy to get going, annoying on a daily basis.

1 hour ago, sleuth_ said:

gaming on Linux, but than I won't have Game Pass and I'll probably have a lot of problems.

That's what I do, although I'm not much of a gamer and mostly play older titles (like dota or bl2).

 

1 hour ago, sleuth_ said:

I agree going with higher memory. With the CPU it's a little bit "I dunno" because you're sometimes forced to use CPU, because VRAM is just not enough. But I think that occasions are rare and usually you try to use GPU anyway as it gives you usually ~7x boost of performance.

You still won't need to change the mobo. I have a 5950x running with a MSI tomahawk without any problems, the user was likely a bit overzealous, but as long as you don't do any OC (which is kinda pointless for your usecase tbh), that mobo should be more than enough for what you need (heck, you could even OC a bit without issues, even the tier list lists it as a top notch mobo).

 

Btw, your setup/use case is pretty similar to mine, although I went with a cheaper GPU because it was not worth spending more compared to cloud costs at the time

[OddOod]

15 hours ago, sleuth_ said:

catastrophic failures are really rare ... quieter and more efficient.

Catastrophic fails are rare, but they die in 3-5 years. And in my experience they are louder and marginally less effective (DH15 vs Corsair 2x140 AIO in push-pull intake with noctua fans.)

 

15 hours ago, sleuth_ said:

You mean negative pressure built where air is only exhausted, but sucked in "passively"?

You would have intake fans in the front.