build First build ever

[aleksyniemir]

Budget (including currency):  7000 PLN (1400 USD) or less

Country: Poland

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Deep learning, Games - Cyberpunk, Witcher, etc

Just PC, no monitors, keyboards, etc. 

Any links to similar threads are welcomed. 

 

Hello, I am second year 20 years old IT student and I got a job recently and would like to build my first PC, but amount of factors is just confusing. I have been looking for PC parts for the past two weeks and I am tired as shit right now. I have no idea what would I like to buy. There is so much outdated info about everything, all the benchmarks are really hard to put together and choose anything, it is almost impossible for a newbie to be sure about a product. I have a few questions and would like to ask for help.

 

What sites are most reliable? I have encountered enormous number of benchmark sites for cpu and gpu, but the amount of information confuses me. It would be easier just to stick to one and get to know every option.

 

GPU

First thing I got my hands on is gpu. I have heard that  it should cost around 40% of the total budget, so around 560USD (correct me if that doesn't make sense). I have been wondering about RX6700XT, 3060TI, 3070, 3070TI or anything like that, but I dont know which one is right for me. Any links welcomed.

 

CPU

After watching a ton of videos I still have no idea what would I like to buy. 11th, 12th gen intel? Something new from AMD? Bruh, how do you even choose those things. I ask for info what are the differences and which one is the best option for now.

 

I am willing to cut costs just to get more power.

I believe that coolers, motherboards, cases, etc. should be chosen after picking GPU and CPU, so I will leave that to later. 

1TB SSD

2x8GB ram (should be enough?)

I will be using 2x 144hz monitors 1920x1080.

 

 

[Fasauceome]

I used the german listings on PCPartPicker.com, I hope the prices are relevant. I left a lot of room in the budget to accommodate.

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/dJx2bK
 

CPU: Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€188.90 @ Alza) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (€145.38 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (€59.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: KIOXIA EXCERIA 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€75.44 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB PULSE Video Card  (€545.00 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: Fractal Design Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case  (€54.90 @ Alza) 
Power Supply: be quiet! System Power 9 600 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (€57.90 @ Alza) 
Total: €1127.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-07-11 18:56 CEST+0200

 

Went with 12th gen Intel because it's currently the performance leader, aside from the Ryzen 7 5700X3D in cache-intensive games. The 12400 delivers good performance for a decent price.
This motherboard will give you room to upgrade to an i7 or i9 if you desire in the future, and will go nicely with new 13th gen processors whenever they come out.
I went for the RX 6700 XT because of the decent value, but if you find an RTX 3070 for a similar price it is also worth considering

[Omar.B]

5 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

I used the german listings on PCPartPicker.com, I hope the prices are relevant. I left a lot of room in the budget to accommodate.

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/dJx2bK

CPU: Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€188.90 @ Alza) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (€145.38 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (€59.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: KIOXIA EXCERIA 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€75.44 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB PULSE Video Card  (€545.00 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: Fractal Design Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case  (€54.90 @ Alza) 
Power Supply: be quiet! System Power 9 600 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (€57.90 @ Alza) 
Total: €1127.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-07-11 18:56 CEST+0200

 

Went with 12th gen Intel because it's currently the performance leader, aside from the Ryzen 7 5700X3D in cache-intensive games. The 12400 delivers good performance for a decent price.
This motherboard will give you room to upgrade to an i7 or i9 if you desire in the future, and will go nicely with new 13th gen processors whenever they come out.
I went for the RX 6700 XT because of the decent value, but if you find an RTX 3070 for a similar price it is also worth considering

My only comment is the PSU you can get a good 650w or 750w gold full modular instead of this one like the Seasonic 750w or the MSI 650w or the Enermax 650w. 

Other than that its a solid build.

[aleksyniemir]

15 minutes ago, rotexen said:

get the Rtx 3060TI with the I5 12600K good option

 

I have always been thinking about i7, never i5. Is the difference irrelevant?

[Somerandomtechyboi]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/Dx66qm

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[aleksyniemir]

37 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

I used the german listings on PCPartPicker.com, I hope the prices are relevant. I left a lot of room in the budget to accommodate.

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/dJx2bK
 

CPU: Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€188.90 @ Alza) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (€145.38 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (€59.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: KIOXIA EXCERIA 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€75.44 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB PULSE Video Card  (€545.00 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: Fractal Design Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case  (€54.90 @ Alza) 
Power Supply: be quiet! System Power 9 600 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (€57.90 @ Alza) 
Total: €1127.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-07-11 18:56 CEST+0200

 

Went with 12th gen Intel because it's currently the performance leader, aside from the Ryzen 7 5700X3D in cache-intensive games. The 12400 delivers good performance for a decent price.
This motherboard will give you room to upgrade to an i7 or i9 if you desire in the future, and will go nicely with new 13th gen processors whenever they come out.
I went for the RX 6700 XT because of the decent value, but if you find an RTX 3070 for a similar price it is also worth considering

Thanks a lot! Definitely will use at least part of those parts.

Great to know that it will be upgradable.

 

Is it better to spend that 300USD on better cpu (i7-12700f for example) or get a better gpu? Also, is there really not much difference between i5 and i7? I have never considered i5 based on the description that it is a basic option for browser users.

[rikitikitavi]

Hey,

 

CPU:

Budget: 12100F

Sweetspot: 12400F

Not necessary power: 12600F

 

GPU:

For maxed settings 1080p - 3060 / 6600 XT is minimum for titles like Cyberpunk to get ~60fps. Most games are not as demanding (you’ll get at least double in Doom for example).

3070 / 6700 XT if you want to get higher fps or go 1440p.

 

NV and AMD trade blows on different games. Base it on the budget and if you can get a good deal.

 

RAM:

2x8GB@3200 is the default for gaming.

 

MOBO:

Don’t buy features you don’t need, save a buck.

 

SSD:

1TB is good unless you are a hoarder.

 

PSU W calculator: https://www.bequiet.com/en/psucalculator

 

Otherwise you can always YouTube desired config - you’ll find ton of gameplay videos with fps counters/stats.

 

Case/cooling:

Prioritize airflow, so Corsair 4000 or Meshify 2 Compact for example.

No AIO/liquid, go with a nice heatsink for your CPU like from Noctua.

 

[Fasauceome]

21 minutes ago, aleksyniemir said:

Thanks a lot! Definitely will use at least part of those parts.

Great to know that it will be upgradable.

 

Is it better to spend that 300USD on better cpu (i7-12700f for example) or get a better gpu? Also, is there really not much difference between i5 and i7? I have never considered i5 based on the description that it is a basic option for browser users.

personally a better GPU would be my pick, like an RX 6800 XT. The 12400 is not hurting for performance in modern games, and if you choose to go for 1440p 144Hz monitors, more GPU horsepower will come in handy.

[rikitikitavi]

41 minutes ago, aleksyniemir said:

I have always been thinking about i7, never i5. Is the difference irrelevant?

You can get the most benefit from 12100.

12400 will cover CPU bound games.

Anything beefier will give you less and lees extra fps (very marginal), if anything at all.

[aleksyniemir]

14 minutes ago, rikitikitavi said:

Hey,

 

CPU:

Budget: 12100F

Sweetspot: 12400F

Not necessary power: 12600F

 

GPU:

For maxed settings 1080p - 3060 / 6600 XT is minimum for titles like Cyberpunk to get ~60fps. Most games are not as demanding (you’ll get at least double in Doom for example).

3070 / 6700 XT if you want to get higher fps or go 1440p.

 

NV and AMD trade blows on different games. Base it on the budget and if you can get a good deal.

 

RAM:

2x8GB@3200 is the default for gaming.

 

MOBO:

Don’t buy features you don’t need, save a buck.

 

SSD:

1TB is good unless you are a hoarder.

 

PSU W calculator: https://www.bequiet.com/en/psucalculator

 

Otherwise you can always YouTube desired config - you’ll find ton of gameplay videos with fps counters/stats.

 

Case/cooling:

Prioritize airflow, so Corsair 4000 or Meshify 2 Compact for example.

No AIO/liquid, go with a nice heatsink for your CPU like from Noctua.

 

That is very helpful! 

I will propably stick to 12400f then. And maybe 3070 or 6800, as I wish that this pc would serve at least 10 years. Also propably will stick to one of those cases and get a good PSU.

I am very thankful.

[rikitikitavi]

1 hour ago, aleksyniemir said:

I wish that this pc would serve at least 10 years

Depends on what do you mean by that.

 

Gaming will continue progressing and will demand more and more, and companies will stop updating drivers at some point. However, it doesn’t necessarily mean you won’t be able to play FIFA 2032, but Graphics of the Year Game will probably be not on your list.

 

For example: i5 6600K (6yo) can still game somewhat comfortably paired with a modern GPU.

While GTX1060 (6yo) is more like a bare minimum.

 

If you mean in general, then your PC won’t just break or become irrelevant like that. Quality parts, good cooling and taking minimum care is a standard.

 

Performance expectations of course should be somewhat adjusted.

SuperBloat Windows’XX with a Chrome full of ads will make any powerhouse chug. But lets not go into that dystopian future. So unless you start using specialized and overall demanding apps - you won’t see much difference.

You can always upgrade and/or repurpose.

 

For example: My 2012 MacBook Air was already very low spec when it was bought with a silly 4GB of RAM. It is still in use and in great condition. Performance didn’t change much with regular tasks even after many macOS updates. Main enemy is the web with bloated content.

[aleksyniemir]

13 hours ago, rikitikitavi said:

Depends on what do you mean by that.

 

Gaming will continue progressing and will demand more and more, and companies will stop updating drivers at some point. However, it doesn’t necessarily mean you won’t be able to play FIFA 2032, but Graphics of the Year Game will probably be not on your list.

 

For example: i5 6600K (6yo) can still game somewhat comfortably paired with a modern GPU.

While GTX1060 (6yo) is more like a bare minimum.

 

If you mean in general, then your PC won’t just break or become irrelevant like that. Quality parts, good cooling and taking minimum care is a standard.

 

Performance expectations of course should be somewhat adjusted.

SuperBloat Windows’XX with a Chrome full of ads will make any powerhouse chug. But lets not go into that dystopian future. So unless you start using specialized and overall demanding apps - you won’t see much difference.

You can always upgrade and/or repurpose.

 

For example: My 2012 MacBook Air was already very low spec when it was bought with a silly 4GB of RAM. It is still in use and in great condition. Performance didn’t change much with regular tasks even after many macOS updates. Main enemy is the web with bloated content.

Well, I was playing minecraft with 60 fps on my current laptop for a year, so even when high-end games in 2032 will run low settings on 30 fps I will be more than happy.

 

If u say that 6yo cpu and gpu are still working, then I am not worried, even if its bare minimum.

 

I am suprised that an apple product lasted so long, is it still supported? 

 

Btw I spoke to my friend who works at an computer repairment facility about my build, he said that he will build me something for that money with all the discounts he can apply (3-4% overall). I told that I want that i5-12400f which you suggested, and he also said that I should get rtx3070. I have three questions tho. 

 

Is ASUS TUF GAMING B660-PLUS WIFI DDR4 a fine option? It is 170$ (I need the WIFI module), but from the builds people suggested there is a 135$ and 150$ motherboard, and I wonder if it an overkill.

 

Does SilentiumPC Armis AR7 TG have enough airflow? Tried to check it myself, but every case says that the airflow is super great, and it seems kind of closed.

 

Is it worth to buy water cpu colling? My friend suggested 85$ SilentiumPC Navis Evo ARGB 280 2x140mm, as it is quiet af, but is it worth it?

 

Thanks for all the replies, it really helped me.

 

 

[igormp]

On 7/11/2022 at 1:42 PM, aleksyniemir said:

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Deep learning

On 7/11/2022 at 1:42 PM, aleksyniemir said:

Hello, I am second year 20 years old IT student and I got a job recently

From your answers so far in this thread I'm going to assume you haven't started doing anything with deep learning yet. How serious are you planning on going with it? Because if you really are keen on keeping it up, you'll need to go with an nvidia GPU.

 

Also, 2x8gb might be more than fine for games, but it's far from ideal for any serious data work.

[rikitikitavi]

21 hours ago, aleksyniemir said:

Well, I was playing minecraft with 60 fps on my current laptop for a year, so even when high-end games in 2032 will run low settings on 30 fps I will be more than happy.

 

If u say that 6yo cpu and gpu are still working, then I am not worried, even if its bare minimum

Gamedevs don't usually go with crazy requirements without providing a low spec options to accommodate the broadest pool of pc gamers who aren't rocking the latest and the greatest hardware. If interested, here's Steam hardware survey stats: (https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam). Of course this doesn't mean that GTX1060 owners play a lot of the latest graphically intense games or happy when their bare minimum 30fps dip into slideshow in a graphically intense moments of the game.

 

21 hours ago, aleksyniemir said:

I am suprised that an apple product lasted so long, is it still supported?

Well, Apple is famous for their long product support (my experience with them is 12+ years). This 2012 MB Air was officially supported till 2020. However, technically, they still send crucial (security) updates now and then. My 2009 MacBook Pro is rocking latest Ubuntu (Linux), since supported macOS is too old for anything. Another example is my iPhone 6s (2015) that officially looses support this Fall (so 7y later) and will probably continue getting some rare important updates for another year+.

 

21 hours ago, aleksyniemir said:

Is ASUS TUF GAMING B660-PLUS WIFI DDR4 a fine option? It is 170$ (I need the WIFI module), but from the builds people suggested there is a 135$ and 150$ motherboard, and I wonder if it an overkill.

Can't say. Didn't look into MOBOs much. I usually suggest to go cheaper, cause most people don't need overclocking or much expandability.

Rule of thumb: less than $100 - corners were cut, specific/budget system; $200+ - if you really need specific things. You are probably overpaying for things you probably don't need like fancy heatsinks, PCIe5 (PCIe4 is barely utilized by specific workloads afaik), extra PCIes, and video ports for APUs.

Check the forum, YouTube, maybe you'll get better suggestion than what you already have. In the end, if you are overpaying - probably no more than $50.

 

21 hours ago, aleksyniemir said:

Does SilentiumPC Armis AR7 TG have enough airflow? Tried to check it myself, but every case says that the airflow is super great, and it seems kind of closed.

Don't know. My suggestion is checking GamersNexus video from previous comment and the channel overall - it is a good resource. Make sure your case can accommodate your MOBO (ATX, micro ATX, mini ITX), GPU length, CPU cooler height and PSU dimensions. If it is regular (ATX tower) - it most probably will accommodate everything.

 

21 hours ago, aleksyniemir said:

Is it worth to buy water cpu colling? My friend suggested 85$ SilentiumPC Navis Evo ARGB 280 2x140mm, as it is quiet af, but is it worth it?

No. For simplicity, reliability and quality - your best bet is getting a good heatsink with silent fans. GamersNexus has it covered - again, I highly suggest him, cause he usually does exhaustive testing videos, including noise tests. My overkill suggestion is Noctua D15 (s), but don't go for it, probably go smaller heatsink or single fan solution for 12400F (I'm biased towards Noctua products overall).

AIO (and water cooling) solutions can provide better cooling, can provide lower noise, and can be (somewhat) reliable... but, don't go this route unless you reeeaaaallyyy want to.

 

...

 

Also I missed a 'deep learning' thing. As @igormp pointed out - if you plan to go deep, then you'll need to change things. 

However, if you just want to try/learn/practice - you can use what you already have or go with cloud solutions from AWS, Google and others (free and paid).