Upgrading but maybe wait?

[ZaneF]

Budget (including currency): $5000

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Gaming

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

I'm doing a rebuild to so my existing parts don't really matter (for the lulz though)

MOBO: 970 PRO Gaming/Aura

CPU: AMD FX-8370

RAM: 32 GB DDR3
GPU1: Nvidia Geforce GTX 980 TI (SLI)

GPU2: Nvidia Geforce GTX 980 TI (SLI)

 

 

I've been looking at the MSI MEG Z690 Godlike motherboard and getting an Intel i7-12700kF with a GFX 3080ti

 

On that note, it's rumored the 4000 GFX are coming out in 2 months(July time frame) and the 13th gen Raptor Lake Intel chips are coming soon-ish as well. I know the Z690 Godlike will be compatible with the 4000 series GFX cards. What i don't know is if the new Raptor Lake CPUs will also be 600 chipsets or do i need to wait for new motherboards to go with the new Raptor Lakes? (I know they have the same sockets LGA1700 so i'm not worried about that compatibility.)

 

So do i need to wait for a 700 series chipset mobo?
If the new CPUs are backwards compatible with the current chipsets(meaning i could buy the z690 godlike and be fine), then i wonder if any, what performance i would lose for not having a 700 chipset mobo?

 

 

[Queen Chrysalis]

Why do you want to spend $5000 on this?  There's really nothing to be gained after 2 grand, save for getting a really, really nice monitor.

[ZaneF]

9 hours ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

Why do you want to spend $5000 on this?  There's really nothing to be gained after 2 grand, save for getting a really, really nice monitor.

A budget doesnt mean it's mandatory to spend, only that is what ive alotted to spend for a rebuild. 

 

So far my current specs exceed your 2000 price tag.

 

Estimates

1200$ for z690 godlike mobo

500$ for ddr5 ram 5600 (64 gb)

1099$ for gtx 3080 ti

350 $ cpu i7 12700kf

 

Thank you for your coherent review of my questions regarding gtx 4000, 13th gen intel chips and 700 sereies chipsets. 

 

[Jonathan Lee]

4 hours ago, ZaneF said:

1200$ for z690 godlike mobo

uhh do you need this mobo? having a super high-end mobo like this is pretty overkill for the majority of people. Are there features on this that you want/need?

 

4 hours ago, ZaneF said:

gtx 4000, 13th gen intel chips and 700 sereies chipsets. 

You are due for an upgrade. Your current PC is pretty old. If you can wait, it does hurt to get the latest things at launch. They generally last you longer, but availability maybe limited.

 

Example 2k build btw:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700KF 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor  ($372.63 @ Newegg) 
CPU Cooler: Enermax Liqmax III 360 ARGB 72.1 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($90.00 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z690 GAMING X DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($209.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  ($101.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($227.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3080 12GB LHR 12 GB GAMING OC Video Card  ($799.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Corsair 5000D AIRFLOW ATX Mid Tower Case  ($175.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G6 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($139.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $2118.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-06-03 15:48 EDT-0400

[GeorgeMKane]

22 minutes ago, Jonathan Lee said:

uhh do you need this mobo? having a super high-end mobo like this is pretty overkill for the majority of people. Are there features on this that you want/need?

 

You are due for an upgrade. Your current PC is pretty old. If you can wait, it does hurt to get the latest things at launch. They generally last you longer, but availability maybe limited.

 

Example 2k build btw:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700KF 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor  ($372.63 @ Newegg) 
CPU Cooler: Enermax Liqmax III 360 ARGB 72.1 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($90.00 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z690 GAMING X DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($209.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  ($101.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($227.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3080 12GB LHR 12 GB GAMING OC Video Card  ($799.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Corsair 5000D AIRFLOW ATX Mid Tower Case  ($175.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G6 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($139.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $2118.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-06-03 15:48 EDT-0400

You might want to go for lower latency RAM, but I agree here. Best to get something now, rather than wait for extremely low availability on brand new releases.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NGFphk

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700KF 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor  ($323.95 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler  ($109.95 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG Z690 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($249.01 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  ($179.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($189.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Samsung 870 Evo 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($219.99 @ Abt) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 12GB LHR 12 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card  ($1067.02 @ Amazon) 
Case: Corsair Crystal 680X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  ($259.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($169.99 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: Corsair LL120 43.25 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack  ($99.99 @ Best Buy) 
Custom: CORSAIR iCUE Commander CORE XT, Digital Fan Speed and RGB Lighting Controller  ($54.99 @ Amazon) 
$2924.86

[Guest]

6 hours ago, ZaneF said:

A budget doesnt mean it's mandatory to spend, only that is what ive alotted to spend for a rebuild. 

 

So far my current specs exceed your 2000 price tag.

 

Estimates

1200$ for z690 godlike mobo

500$ for ddr5 ram 5600 (64 gb)

1099$ for gtx 3080 ti

350 $ cpu i7 12700kf

 

Thank you for your coherent review of my questions regarding gtx 4000, 13th gen intel chips and 700 sereies chipsets. 

 

Not trying to tell you how to spend your money but what is the reasoning for that board ? Same goes for the Ram. Why 64GB if you are just gaming ? You won't even use 32GB for most games outside of heavy modding.

 

The 4000 series is rumoured for a Sept release. Probably gets announced in July. The 13th gen should slot into a 600 series board if they follow the same 'two cpu's per generation'. Also don't forget that Ryzen 7000/AM5 is out this year as well. Probably looking at Sept at the earliest, but probably closer to Oct/Nov. They (AMD) just said 'Fall 2022' at Computex.

 

If you are not in a huge rush then I would wait a few months.

[Queen Chrysalis]

1 hour ago, lee32uk said:

Not trying to tell you how to spend your money but what is the reasoning for that board ? Same goes for the Ram. Why 64GB if you are just gaming ? You won't even use 32GB for most games outside of heavy modding.

 

The 4000 series is rumoured for a Sept release. Probably gets announced in July. The 13th gen should slot into a 600 series board if they follow the same 'two cpu's per generation'. Also don't forget that Ryzen 7000/AM5 is out this year as well. Probably looking at Sept at the earliest, but probably closer to Oct/Nov. They (AMD) just said 'Fall 2022' at Computex.

 

If you are not in a huge rush then I would wait a few months.

Yeah TBH coming from a 980ti andy of the new GPUs are gonna seem incredibly fast, same with the CPUs. 

 

I think the RAM thing is a common mistake for people that haven't been reading up on new stuff for a while, as they just kind of assume the RAM creep from the first decade of the 2000s must have continued.  Back when things went form 1GB being necessary to 2GB, to 4GB, to 8GB in a short span of time.  For a long time people were buying 16GB not because 16GB was necessary, but because there was a slight benefit to have over 8GB, and 12GB was tough to accomplish in dual channel.  So 16GB became a standard pretty quickly, and after a few years people just started assuming that they ought to buy 32GB in the future.  Then when later builds of windows 10 and windows 11 started looking for ways to make use of idle RAM that a lot of people had (without interfering with active workloads), people who didn't know what was happening and were alarmed by higher RAM utilization, and figured they should get more RAM to keep utilization low. 

 

Even in 2022, for a PC that is gaming and not doing any other intense tasks (discord and chrome do not count, they can be compressed very easily)  16GB is still completely sufficient.  32GB is just for those who want to get it for the sake of getting it, or who want to have an abundance of free RAM to cache things, or other types of HEDT users.  People who put 64GB on a gaming parts list just need to get a better understanding of how software has progressed over the last decade, and what utilization in windows etc actually means.

[Winterlight]

I think for that price you can get I9 12900K and RTX 3090. There is any logic go for 1,2k motherboard and not even use top tier CPU, GPU. Over all I think there is any point spend more than ~500 for motherboard even you do extreme OC. Btw you don't need that motherboard at all too be compatible with upcoming 4xxx series Nvidia GPU. New GPU work basically with any motherboard that have PCI-E slot theoretically you can use this GPU even in 15+ year old motherboard due all PCI-E slot is back compatible. Of course if you did  that you will have massive bottleneck but it still work. Just look in any motherboard that have 4.0 PCI-E support and you will be fine even 3.0 probably still not bottleneck.

[Guest]

23 hours ago, GeorgeMKane said:

You might want to go for lower latency RAM, but I agree here. Best to get something now, rather than wait for extremely low availability on brand new releases.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NGFphk

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700KF 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor  ($323.95 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler  ($109.95 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG Z690 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($249.01 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  ($179.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($189.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Samsung 870 Evo 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($219.99 @ Abt) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 12GB LHR 12 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card  ($1067.02 @ Amazon) 
Case: Corsair Crystal 680X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  ($259.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($169.99 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: Corsair LL120 43.25 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack  ($99.99 @ Best Buy) 
Custom: CORSAIR iCUE Commander CORE XT, Digital Fan Speed and RGB Lighting Controller  ($54.99 @ Amazon) 
$2924.86

That SSD combo doesn't make any sense. Why would you not just get a 2nd 970 EVO ? You are paying $30 more for a SATA. Am I missing something here ?

[TetraSky]

Not sure if OP is a troll or not with that $1200 motherboard...

It's a motherboard.

We're not in the early 2000s anymore. Paying more won't give you any sort of tangible benefits in anything you'll be doing with that PC, that you can't get with a cheaper board. It would still be the same performances.

You're basically paying an extra $600+ for that screen, which will tell you stuff you would be seeing in the BIOS and in OS anyway. You won't be looking at your board anywhere near as often enough to justify this.

It's just a gimmick and nearly all the features of the board can be found on cheaper boards.

Like the Asus ProArt Z690-CREATOR WIFI, which is more than half the price while offering nearly all the same features, minus that screen.

 

Is that MSI board good looking? Heck Yes. But is it worth $1200 when there's comparable boards with similar feature sets, without the screen? If you got the money ready to burn a hole in your pocket and you'd rather spend it on a motherboard instead of parts that will actually affect performances like a i9-12900K or 3090 ... go for it mate. More power to you.
We're just trying to get you to not make a potential mistake and save a buck here.

 

1 hour ago, lee32uk said:

That SSD combo doesn't make any sense. Why would you not just get a 2nd 970 EVO ? You are paying $30 more for a SATA. Am I missing something here ?

You're right. The board they put in has 4 m.2 slots, 3 of which are 64Gbps, no need for much slower SATA drives here. Not sure why they included that. If it was higher capacity I'd get it, but it's the same and is more expensive

 

21 hours ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

16GB is still completely sufficient.  32GB is just for those who want to get it for the sake of getting it

Who knows, maybe they play Minecraft and want to host a server locally. A modded Minecraft game and server can easily take up 6+GB each by themselves. Then there's windows and everything running in the background and suddenly you're bursting through 16GB real fast. My friend reached 26GB RAM usage when he was hosting the minecraft server and playing for us.

[Winterlight]

14 minutes ago, TetraSky said:

You're basically paying an extra $600+ for that screen, which will tell you stuff you would be seeing in the BIOS and in OS anyway. You won't be looking at your board anywhere near as often enough to justify this.

I agree is not worth pay 1,2k for motherboard but you not right is not just extra screen first that board support 10Gbs, up too 6 x Nvme SSD, 2 x PCI-E 5.0, Usb-C ports that support 8k display that is not same just extra display as you see but again for most people all that extra stuff is unseful anyway.
I really don't recommend buy any cheap motherboard that not support even BIOS flashback. ~400 think is sweet spot for motherboard and it mostly have everything that you really need like Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, BIOS flashback, Q code is very useful in motherboard and tell you there exactly is problem than something not work properly.

[TetraSky]

14 minutes ago, Winterlight said:

I agree is not worth pay 1,2k for motherboard but you not right is not just extra screen first that board support 10Gbs, up too 6 x Nvme SSD, 2 x PCI-E 5.0, Usb-C ports that support 8k display that is not same just extra display as you see but again for most people all that extra stuff is unseful anyway.

The ProArt board I mentioned also got the dual 2.5G and 10G Ethernet ports. 2x PCI-E 5.0. Dual USB-C/Thunderbolt that supports 8k displays. And Wifi 6E just like the GodLike.

The major difference, is that it has 4 NVME slots instead of 6. The rest is either comparable or extra stuff that makes no difference.
Thus why I mostly only mentioned the screen.

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/ProArt/ProArt-Z690-CREATOR-WIFI/techspec/
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MEG-Z690-GODLIKE/Specification

It's $480 right now on Amazon. $700 cheaper than the Z690 MEG. 

And I'll be honest, that's seriously just the first board I found on Google when looking for alternatives, I didn't even look at all the other possible choices, so I wouldn't be surprised if there was a board with the exact same feature set without the screen for much cheaper, too. It was just that easy to find this board.

[Queen Chrysalis]

1 hour ago, TetraSky said:

Who knows, maybe they play Minecraft and want to host a server locally. A modded Minecraft game and server can easily take up 6+GB each by themselves. Then there's windows and everything running in the background and suddenly you're bursting through 16GB real fast. My friend reached 26GB RAM usage when he was hosting the minecraft server and playing for us.

For which even a 32GB kit would still be more than sufficient.