Vintage Servers

[stpworld]

Hello I was wondering if anyone has come across this mac server before it seems to be very rare.  Another unusual thing to is I noticed it has sound on the back like a consumer mac and servers normally don't have sound. 

[Oshino Shinobu]

Workgroup Server 60, released in 1993. Interestingly, Apple actually has the specs listed on their website, which is somewhat rare for old hardware. 

 

https://support.apple.com/kb/SP258?locale=en_GB

 

Other information around:

 

https://apple-history.com/60

https://madeapple.com/workgroup-server-60/

https://tidbits.com/1993/03/29/apple-workgroup-servers/

 

While they're fairly rare, I don't know if they're worth much, if anything really. Some old Macs and Apple products are worth a lot and some are more or less junk. It was a mid range server, so doubt they're particularly sought after as they didn't really introduce anything new and aren't iconic like some other old Apple hardware. 

[Needfuldoer]

The Workgroup Server 60 is the same exact machine as a Macintosh Quadra 610. (Also known as the Centris 610, before Apple consolidated their business desktops and workstations under the "Quadra" line.) All of the "Workgroup Server" Macs were just regular desktops with a different software bundle, except for the 9150, which was its own one-off machine.

 

The PowerCenter 132 is a Power Computing clone Macintosh that's roughly equivalent to a Power Macintosh 7600/132. It should take the same RAM and CPU upgrade options as the other beige PCI Power Macs that predate the G3.

[manikyath]

here's some info for you: https://support.apple.com/kb/SP258?locale=nl_NL

 

it's baiscly a macintosh quadra/centris 660AV desktop (they merged quadra and centris lines on the year this thing was made) with a "server" badge stuck to the front: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_Quadra_660AV

 

so it has audio on the back like a desktop... because really it is basicly a desktop.

[manikyath]

2 minutes ago, Needfuldoer said:

The Workgroup Server 60 is the same exact machine as a Power Macintosh 6100/60. The name silkscreened on the case and the bundled software made the difference. It was also sold as a Performa for the home computer market.

 

The PowerCenter 132 is a Power Computing clone Macintosh that's roughly equivalent to a Power Macintosh 7600/132. It should take the same RAM and CPU upgrade options as the other beige PCI Power Macs that predate the G3.

according to apple's own spec page (rare sight...) it's the model before the 6100/60 machines.

[Needfuldoer]

2 minutes ago, manikyath said:

according to apple's own spec page (rare sight...) it's the model before the 6100/60 machines.

Yeah I know, I tried to ninja edit that but you were faster... I've been messing with a 6100 lately so that's what fell out of my brain first. (The 6150 is the WGS version of the 6100.)

[manikyath]

1 minute ago, Needfuldoer said:

Yeah I know, I tried to ninja edit that but you were faster... I've been messing with a 6100 lately so that's what fell out of my brain first.

they're basicly the same box, so it's an easy mistake to make.. given that apple hasnt been very descriptive with their naming schemes past the apple II.

[stpworld]

Someone gave these to me as a regular mac they didnt even know so I got them for nothing.  I have the 6150 to the one thing that is rare is the server installcds which I do have. 

[stpworld]

They do seem to be a little bit faster then a regular mac and the chips are bigger inside bigger heat sync and more ram to. 

[Needfuldoer]

Just now, stpworld said:

Someone gave these to me as a regular mac they didnt even know so I got them for nothing.  I have the 6150 to the one thing that is rare is the server installcds which I do have. 

Ooh! Please image those and upload them to Macintosh Garden and archive.org if they're not already there!

 

If you want to just mess around with old Mac stuff, you've got a pretty good starting point. The only thing is they both take SCSI hard drives, you'll need a SCSI2SD or BlueSCSI if you want to put in an SSD.

[stpworld]

I don't go that far just use the original hard drives and I have apple share ip set up all ready.  I even have consumer macs talking to them over 10 megs either net to.  You can share a cd rom to 10 users and they can play a game from the server. 

[BondiBlue]

The machine on the bottom is a Power Computing Macintosh clone - it wasn't made by Apple. Those machines aren't very common these days, so it's a great find. 

[stpworld]

Im the original owner of the clone it just got in the photo I even have a letter steve jobs sent when he bought the company.  Was a great machine at the time dual processor to and 4 pci slots in 1996 that was a luxury. 

[stpworld]

I also have this machine to this one is impossible to find.  I may have the only one I haven't seen another I also have its matching workgroup server cd to.  I have apple share 4.2.1 on cd as well and apple share 5.0.  These servers can handle alot of users i have the original drives in them and software from there time as well.  Its also all set up on either net I'll upload a pic when i start them up later

[Needfuldoer]

3 minutes ago, stpworld said:

I also have this machine to this one is impossible to find.  I may have the only one I haven't seen another I also have its matching workgroup server cd to.  I have apple share 4.2.1 on cd as well and apple share 5.0.  These servers can handle alot of users i have the original drives in them and software from there time as well.  Its also all set up on either net I'll upload a pic when i start them up later

 

[snip]

That's basically a Power Mac 7200/120 with a different name on the case. They only sold those for a little over a year.

 

Fun fact: the only CPU upgrade for them is a PCI G3 card that's almost impossible to find now, because they're coveted by the Amiga community. 

[stpworld]

I have a nubus g3 upgrade for the 6100 I have the box and the driver disk to.  You can run system 7.5 on a g3 its so fast on that processor. 

[stpworld]

8 minutes ago, Needfuldoer said:

That's basically a Power Mac 7200/120 with a different name on the case. They only sold those for a little over a year.

 

Fun fact: the only CPU upgrade for them is a PCI G3 card that's almost impossible to find now, because they're coveted by the Amiga community. 

It is similar but it seems to have a bigger gpu and more ram and it installs faster I got the 7200 as well. 

[danalog]

A classic case of rare but low demand. Although you've probably got one of the fewer than 1000 still alive/working, there's really no reason for them to be desirable to a collector.

[stpworld]

Here is what they look like up and running.  Ive also uploaded a pic of the server software with a connected user

[BondiBlue]

6 minutes ago, Mel0nMan said:

A classic case of rare but low demand. Although you've probably got one of the fewer than 1000 still alive/working, there's really no reason for them to be desirable to a collector.

Which machine are you talking about? All of the machines pictured here are desirable for at least some collectors. I'd certainly be interested in them. 

[stpworld]

Mine are all 100% alive and working they wouldnt be with me if they were not.  The only ones I have that are giving me trouble are some IICI computers I cant get them to turn on ive tried different power supplys to.  The caps were replaced on one and it died later on. 

[stpworld]

I also have a next station complete with sound box and color 17inch monitor and cd rom to. 

[stpworld]

On 3/14/2022 at 3:16 PM, Needfuldoer said:

That's basically a Power Mac 7200/120 with a different name on the case. They only sold those for a little over a year.

 

Fun fact: the only CPU upgrade for them is a PCI G3 card that's almost impossible to find now, because they're coveted by the Amiga community. 

Hello I have an upgrade card inthe box this is the one here

[Needfuldoer]

22 minutes ago, stpworld said:

Hello I have an upgrade card inthe box this is the one here

[snip]

That's for the NuBus Power Macs. Not the most common, but it's not the one I'm thinking of.

 

The 7200/G3 was literally a G3 CPU and RAM slots on a PCI card. The Mac booted with the normal PPC 601, then an extension loaded and it handed the reins over to the G3. It was a kludge and they didn't sell too many of them, because a 7500 logic board swapped right in and opened up the world of G3 and G4 CPU upgrades that go in the processor slot. Nowadays, the Amiga crowd goes nuts for them because they figured out how to get them working. (And if there's any old personal computer hobby that's a bigger money pit than old Macs, it's old Amigas!)

 

 

[stpworld]

Ive seen them on ebay there's a few right now. One seems to be from Japan some of the machines I owned in the 1990s and I kept them i bought this when it was released for the machine I have my floppy to.  Eithernet boards are expensive for these as well cause you had to buy it seperatly.  My school had macs on a network but they stupidly used the phone line adapter and that hurt there perforamnce.  The building was wired with eithernet to not sure why they did it that way.  Some macs were on with eithernet in  the library to.  SO I don't know why they went from room to room with the phone adapters.