Your next GPU

[Middcore]

1 minute ago, Dogzilla07 said:

Neither you nor I, have any evidence of sales

 

We have the evidence that every other new card introduced since roughly the beginning of 2021 sells out immediately, and the 6500 XT does not. 

 

1 minute ago, Dogzilla07 said:

This is not the context of my victory post.

 

Well I don't know what the context was supposed to be, but the context I am operating in is still that companies want the products they make to get bought. 

[Dogzilla07]

1 minute ago, Middcore said:

We have the evidence that every other new card introduced since roughly the beginning of 2021 sells out immediately, and the 6500 XT does not. 

That is in no way shape or form evidence. Steve from GamersNexus also mentioned this on twitter, It is as likely if not higher, that the availability is due to a very high amount of 6NM wafers. Correlation does not equal Causation. The burden of proof is on you.

[Middcore]

1 minute ago, Dogzilla07 said:

That is in no way shape or form evidence. Steve from GamersNexus also mentioned this on twitter, It is as likely if not higher, that the availability is due to a very high amount of 6NM wafers. Correlation does not equal Causation. The burden of proof is on you.

 

Isn't the burden of proof on you to show how AMD has "won" with the 6500 XT as you claimed? You still haven't explained why you believe that. 

 

The 6500 XT could be available because it's not selling, which would be bad for AMD.

 

The 6500 XT could be available because it does sell OK but they just have lots of them, which would be good for AMD.

 

We can't know for sure either way. So why do you choose to interpret it as a win?

[Dogzilla07]

16 minutes ago, Middcore said:

We can't know for sure either way. So why do you choose to interpret it as a win?

it's not clear cut win, it's a Pyrrhic Victory, as I've explained. Winning in the context I used it is; It's the only competitor standing on the battlefield, the competition is N/A, MIA. I completely agree with you that the highest chance is that this won't be a net positive for AMD. I'm not going to engage into a semantics discussion over the definition of Pyrrhic, ...

[Blademaster91]

1 hour ago, Dogzilla07 said:

#Not your next GPU, as it looks like 3050 is a paper launch. Let's wait a couple of more days, but so far it looks like AMD laptop gpu has "WON". 6500 XT is widely available for $260-$300.

In the current market of graphics cards being paper launches, or being bought up instantly by scalpers and miners, something in stock that you can buy is already a win.

[Dogzilla07]

@Blademaster91Exactly, it's not right, its not nice, it's not worth it, nobody should buy it. Whoever can and wants to should take a stand. Having said that everyone should think a bit about it, and if they really need to and want to get a 6500 XT, they should get one. for <$270. There's a small majority of people in specific life situations, specific countries, where its gonna be the only option.

[Middcore]

2 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

In the current market of graphics cards being paper launches, or being bought up instantly by scalpers and miners, something in stock that you can buy is already a win.

 

A win for who?

 

Nobody here is actually naïve enough to think either AMD or Nvidia actually care about getting GPU's in the hands of gamers, right?

 

Pictured below: GPU manufacturers inconsolable at their cards not being in stock because they're bought up instantly by scalpers and miners

 

 

3 minutes ago, Dogzilla07 said:

@Blademaster91Exactly, it's not right, its not nice, it's not worth it, nobody should buy it. However everyone should think a bit about it, and if they want to and money is not an issue, they should get one.

C'mon, man. 

[Dogzilla07]

11 minutes ago, Middcore said:

C'mon, man. 

I'd love for the world to be that black and white, but it's simply not. When I was younger I thought like you, but you cannot imagine all the weird and specific monetary situations, and weird and specific markets people around the world are in. Nor the weird and specific friend dynamics.  And many are not lucky to have the option/luxury of doing the "right thing". If 6500 XT is the only path to quick and cost-effective stress relief with social aspect in play, no one whos not in that situation can say what's best for that person.

[Middcore]

3 minutes ago, Dogzilla07 said:

I'd love for the world to be as black and white, but it's simply not. When I was younger I thought like you, but you cannot imagine all the weird and specific monetary situations, and weird and specific markets people around the world are in. And many are not lucky to have the option of doing the right thing.

 

I fully understand that there are people who will, in the words of Gamers Nexus about the 6500 XT, get bent over by a corporation because they don't have any better options. All I'm asking is for you to phrase your arguments in a way so you don't directly contradict yourself. Saying something is black in one sentence and saying it's white in the next sentence isn't the way to communicate "things aren't simply black or white."

[Dogzilla07]

2 minutes ago, Middcore said:

All I'm asking is for you to phrase your arguments in a way so you don't directly contradict yourself. Saying something is black in one sentence and saying it's white in the next sentence isn't the way to communicate "things aren't simply black or white."

Agree to disagree.

[Blademaster91]

13 minutes ago, Dogzilla07 said:

@Blademaster91Exactly, it's not right, its not nice, it's not worth it, nobody should buy it. Whoever can and wants to should take a stand. Having said that everyone should think a bit about it, and if they really need to and want to get a 6500 XT, they should get one. for <$270. There's a small majority of people in specific life situations, specific countries, where its gonna be the only option.

I think the 6500XT is a complete ripoff for over $150, but if your GPU failed, or if you don't trust buying a used card the 6500XT might be an option, its not even a good option as it lacks encoding and the pci-e 4.0 x4 is a limitation.

10 minutes ago, Middcore said:

A win for who?

 

Nobody here is actually naïve enough to think either AMD or Nvidia actually care about getting GPU's in the hands of gamers, right?

 

In my opinion it's a win for anyone that just wants to play games, if they can settle for lower setttings, it's something, better than nothing for people that still want to play games on PC.

And I realize neither Nvidia or AMD cares, but at least AMD has done something, even if its just extra 6nm laptop gpu's. Nvidia hasn't done much besides push out more card sku's that doesn't do anything to help supply, and LHR was just marketing to satisfy the shareholders, as miners have found workarounds to make LHR cards mine.

[Dogzilla07]

29 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

In my opinion it's a win for anyone that just wants to play games, if they can settle for lower setttings, it's something, better than nothing for people that still want to play games on PC.

There exactly this, with all settings on low/lowest and on PCI-E 4.0 platform, the 6500 XT is 1660/1660 Super level. Not exactly directly comparable but i take myself as a rough example here, I've almost always played games at low/lowest settings, as it's more important to me that I'm over 75 fps stable that anything else (Especially for online multiplayer games).

 

I'm not an overly visual person, sound is what makes or breaks games into godly status for me. Sound design is No.1 for me, and then story is No.2 and then characters No.3 and then >75 fps No.4 and then visuals No.5 and then everything else. I don't care for gameplay much in single player games. Most of my favourite all time games had bad gameplay.

 

As for online/multiplayer The highest fps/lowest latency is No.1, and then gameplay No.2 and Sounds (footsteps) No.3, and then everything else. (gameplay makes or breaks multiplayer shooters/moba and similar for me).

 

Again just to clarify, I'm not a Visuals Vigilante or something, I enjoy, and can and do appreciate good visuals, and I can't wait for more graphical progress. As long as I get enough fps, I'll up some settings, but never all settings, just for having them at max. My dopamine just doesn't oscillate as much depending on graphical sliders as it does with a Jeremy Soule soundtrack for example.

[Dogzilla07]

Take with a grain of salt/not really a fair comparison for 3050 as, it's not been a week yet, but preliminary data is: In the US 3050 is finally available starting at $600-$700, and Mindfactory in EU sold 5 pcs at 500 eur.

 

Which corresponds to 2x the 6500 XT price, for 1/14[14x] less availability (exact hours after release for both, Mindfactory numbers). inadequate comparison availability is 80x.

 

Which in my subjective opinion translates to  "Not great not terrible" or on a scale from 1 to 10 = "3.6 Ro"

 

*Like HardwareUnboxed mentioned RX 6600 is $460/500 eur, so, ...

[Dogzilla07]

Here we are a week later, finally an apples to apples comparison. US prices are still very high >$600, MIcrocenter had no stock over the week. in EU however, Mindfactory had plenty of stock, and sold ~300 pieces of 3050 8GB, at >475 eur. The prices on Mindfactory have stabilized at ~450 eur, up until last night, and have dropped to ~425 eur as of few hours ago.

 

Which corresponds to 2x the 6500 XT price, for 75% stock of Nvidia 3050 8GB compared to AMD 6500 XT (300 Nvidia sold compared to 400 AMD sold, at exactly the same time frame of 7 days).

 

Which is availability wise horrible for US, awesome for EU, but price wise, horrible all around, as RX6600 has been the exact same price as 3050 8GB in Europe the whole week, and significantly cheaper in the US.

 

Steve from HardwareUnboxed was partially right again, as he said wait a week, and let's see availability numbers then. It's entirely possible there's a bit more 3050s to drop in the US, if there's a huge LAG at shipping ports still.

 

TL:DR Less Europeans watched techtuber youtube videos and went out and bought a metric ton of 6500 XT. While all of Microcenter shoppers are avid techtuber watchers