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Yes. Looser timings will hurt you in memory bound applications. Things like Adobe suite and Blender are more CPU bound than anything else, though, so you may not see much difference there. Gaming on the iGPU is going to suffer, but you were already suffering with just 3200MHz. You really need faster RAM for integrated graphics, since performance is heavily dependent on the system RAM there.

 

Even if you buy the same kit from the same manufacturer, there's no guarantees they'll be compatible. Manufacturers very often change out the dies without even updating the SKU. Honestly, the whole concept of upgrading your RAM later by adding two more sticks is a joke. There's almost always issues, if for no other reason than you're putting more stress on the IMC. You're almost always better off just buying a new kit in the capacity you need, and just flip the old kit on the used market to recoup some cost.

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Hello, I used to only have 1 HyperX fury 16gb 3200 and 1 Kingston Fury 16Gb 3200 Running at D.O.C.P at it's true timings 16-18-18-18-36. I am well aware that even though they have different names and model numbers, the Kingston Fury is exactly the same Ram, just rebranded because they Kingston let go of the HyperX Branding.

Now I upgraded my PC by adding (2) Kingston Fury 16Gb 3200 which is packaged as 16x2gb kit. Now whenever I turn on D.O.C.P which automatically sets the proper 16-18-18-18-36 timings, My PC would not boot , or if lucky, it will boot but will hang without a moment's notice and will need a hard restart.

What worked for me was Setting everything in Auto (D.O.C.P. turned off), set the RAM speed to 3200MHz then set the voltage to 1.35V which sometimes sets the timings to 17-17-17 or sometimes even 22-22-22, honestly I'm just happy to be running it at 3200MHz rather than 2400MHz

Now my questions would be, will there be a difference in both Gaming and Productivity given that I don't have a dedicated GPU on these RAM timings? (I use Adobe programs and also Maya and Blender)
Also, is there any way to fix this?

Mobo: Asus Prime b550M-K (Bios rev. 2423)
Cpu: AMD Ryzen 7 4750G
GPU: Built-in APU
RAM: 64GB (1xHX432C16FB3A/16 (HyperX Fury 16x1Gb 3200) 3xKF432C16BB1A/16 (Kingston Fury 16x3 3200)
OS: Windows 10 Pro

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Yes. Looser timings will hurt you in memory bound applications. Things like Adobe suite and Blender are more CPU bound than anything else, though, so you may not see much difference there. Gaming on the iGPU is going to suffer, but you were already suffering with just 3200MHz. You really need faster RAM for integrated graphics, since performance is heavily dependent on the system RAM there.

 

Even if you buy the same kit from the same manufacturer, there's no guarantees they'll be compatible. Manufacturers very often change out the dies without even updating the SKU. Honestly, the whole concept of upgrading your RAM later by adding two more sticks is a joke. There's almost always issues, if for no other reason than you're putting more stress on the IMC. You're almost always better off just buying a new kit in the capacity you need, and just flip the old kit on the used market to recoup some cost.

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DOCP/XMP settings are rated for 1 kit per system. When you mix kits like that (even if its the same model ,it doesnt matter), you risk breaking stability at its rated setting. Adding the new kit to another memory channel is usually more forgiving (the one you did at the start) but mixing to the same memory channels is not.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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oh btw you can try fix this by tuning voltages and timings yourself. Just like overclocking memory in general.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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