Should I upgrade?

[Internet Swag]

Or rather, will I actually notice any difference or benefit from upgrading? 

 

My current specs

8700

Z390

1TB NVME 970 evo 

RTX 3080 Msi trio x

16 gb 3200mhz ram corsair 

3440x1440p ultrawide Asus tuf

 

So I will keep the gpu, but I would be upgrading the cpu and ram and board and getting a 980 Samsung ssd. 

 

So let's say 12th gen i5, ddr5 ram 

[YoungBlade]

What do you use your computer for? You already have a high end system, so unless it's not meeting your needs because something you do requires more, you won't see a tangible improvement from an upgrade.

[suedseefrucht]

21 minutes ago, Internet Swag said:

Or rather, will I actually notice any difference or benefit from upgrading?

You will not notice a speed difference from changing the SSD.

For 4K gaming, the graphics card is much more important than the CPU.
To check for bottlenecking, look at your CPU and graphics card usage while gaming.
Is the CPU usage at 100 % and the graphics card isn't? Then a CPU upgrade can make sense.

[jwwagner25]

why even bother asking. If you have $600 plus dollars to burn, go for it. could be even higher than 6. 

[YoungBlade]

16 minutes ago, jwwagner25 said:

why even bother asking. If you have $600 plus dollars to burn, go for it. could be even higher than 6. 

Because it could be a total waste of money and time. The i7 8700 can basically always max out a 3080 at those resolutions. Unless the OP is doing something more CPU or memory intensive, there's not much point in the upgrade

[Internet Swag]

3 hours ago, suedseefrucht said:

You will not notice a speed difference from changing the SSD.

For 4K gaming, the graphics card is much more important than the CPU.
To check for bottlenecking, look at your CPU and graphics card usage while gaming.
Is the CPU usage at 100 % and the graphics card isn't? Then a CPU upgrade can make sense.

How can I check cpu usage while gaming 

 

I only game I'm not a programmer or anything like that. 

 

I play final fantasy xiv and Warhammer 2 and assassins crees

 

Honestly the upgrade was just because I wanted to, and cpu usually isn't that expensive. 

 

But if its completely stupid I don't wanna 

[suedseefrucht]

5 minutes ago, Internet Swag said:

How can I check cpu usage while gaming 

How to Check FPS, CPU Usage, And GPU Usage In Games (thedroidguy.com)

[Internet Swag]

What about pci gen 4 and rtx 3080s linking with 12th gen cpus

 

Won't that make a difference 

[Mister Woof]

If you want to upgrade, wait for 12th gen which launches in days.

 

Should be a good 30%+ single threaded performance gain, among other technologies.

[Mister Woof]

1 hour ago, Internet Swag said:

What about pci gen 4 and rtx 3080s linking with 12th gen cpus

 

Won't that make a difference 

Depends on game and settings. 

 

Should be less impact from security mitigation. Should improve FPS lows, regardless of resolution. 

 

May have some bugs due to operating system and hybrid core dimension, though.

[YoungBlade]

44 minutes ago, Internet Swag said:

What about pci gen 4 and rtx 3080s linking with 12th gen cpus

 

Won't that make a difference 

The difference between Gen 3 and Gen 4 in most games is a few percent. I'd wait for the benchmarks on 12th gen before deciding.

 

At the resolutions you're playing at, the games you mentioned are likely GPU bound, so a CPU upgrade probably won't do much for gaming. However, if you really want to upgrade, perhaps 12th gen could be worth it. We'll know soon enough.

[Mister Woof]

10 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

The difference between Gen 3 and Gen 4 in most games is a few percent. I'd wait for the benchmarks on 12th gen before deciding.

 

At the resolutions you're playing at, the games you mentioned are likely GPU bound, so a CPU upgrade probably won't do much for gaming. However, if you really want to upgrade, perhaps 12th gen could be worth it. We'll know soon enough.

From personal experience, there can still be some gains from upgrading from an 8700k with a 3080. I moved from a 5ghz 8700k--> 5.1ghz 10900KF.

 

At 1440p at least:

 

1. I saw improvement in games like CP2077. Some scenes would cap out at around 70% GPU utilization. Upgrading to a 10900K mostly resolved this. Moving up to 4k could make this benefit a wash, but in that game a 3080 isn't really going to cut it anyway at that resolution.

2. In MMOs, minimum framerate in busy areas (low GPU utilization) improved somewhat. Instead of 65fps in a busy scenario, it improved to around 80fps.

 

I imagine with 12th gen having significantly higher IPC, it should be even better than what I experienced. The cache size I believe played a large factor in the 8700k-->10900KF (12mb to 20mb) and IIRC 12th gen all have much more L3 cache (12mb for i3, 18mb for locked i5, 20mb for i5-k, 25mb for i7, 30mb for i9)

 

[YoungBlade]

7 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

From personal experience, there can still be some gains from upgrading from an 8700k with a 3080. I moved from a 5ghz 8700k--> 5.1ghz 10900KF.

 

At 1440p at least:

 

1. I saw improvement in games like CP2077. Some scenes would cap out at around 70% GPU utilization. Upgrading to a 10900K mostly resolved this. Moving up to 4k could make this benefit a wash, but in that game a 3080 isn't really going to cut it anyway at that resolution.

2. In MMOs, minimum framerate in busy areas (low GPU utilization) improved somewhat. Instead of 65fps in a busy scenario, it improved to around 80fps.

 

I imagine with 12th gen having significantly higher IPC, it should be even better than what I experienced. The cache size I believe played a large factor in the 8700k-->10900KF (12mb to 20mb) and IIRC 12th gen all have much more L3 cache (12mb for i3, 18mb for locked i5, 20mb for i5-k, 25mb for i7, 30mb for i9)

 

At 1440p, sure, but 1440p ultrawide is closer to 4K. And the games mentioned are FF14, Warhammer 2, and Assassin's Creed. That last one is the only one that might be limited by CPU performance depending on the exact AC title, but I'd still think the difference would be minimal.

 

I'm not saying 12th gen might not be worth it going forward, just that it might not make a noticeable difference at that resolution in those games.

[Mister Woof]

18 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

At 1440p, sure, but 1440p ultrawide is closer to 4K. And the games mentioned are FF14, Warhammer 2, and Assassin's Creed. That last one is the only one that might be limited by CPU performance depending on the exact AC title, but I'd still think the difference would be minimal.

 

I'm not saying 12th gen might not be worth it going forward, just that it might not make a noticeable difference at that resolution in those games.

I understand and mentioned the 4k disparity - however given at 1440p with a 3080 CP2077 barely manages 60fps anyway, at 4k it's going to struggle to the point you'd have to utilize some heavy DLSS (which puts more pressure back on CPU).

 

Specifically, FF14 is the game that I was referring to. FF14 definitely can be CPU limited, especially when there's a lot of people around. Hang around in Limsa Lominsa Aetheryte crystal, and you'll see. Same if you play frontline. That's when GPU usage plummets to around 40-50% and more CPU grunt comes in handy. It's not well optimized for multiple threads, but the clock speed and IPC will improve FPS in those scenarios. However, it's less important and apparent when you're in dungeons and normal trials and raids.

 

The most important part of what I was trying to say was that FPS minimums would likely improve depending on scenario and type of game, and improve GPU utilization in some scenarios.

Is it worth it? eh, dunno. I can say 8700k -> 10900k was iffy, but I had to do it for other reasons and I'm not really disappointed. 8700k -> 12th gen would feel much more meaningful.

 

I am however speaking from personal experience as someone who went from 8700k to something better with a 3080. Keep in mind we're talking a 5ghz 8700k, not a 4.3ghz 8700 like the OP mentioned.

 

I imagine from a locked 8700 (4.3ghz 99% of the time), there will be even bigger gains. My wife ran an 8700 and I upgraded her to a 9900k (4.7ghz 99% of the time) and even that was a pretty observable gain in FF14, even with just a 3070 (as I said, in the scenarios it helps, GPU usage takes a shit anyway, which offsets the 4k aspect).

[jwwagner25]

On 10/26/2021 at 4:32 AM, YoungBlade said:

Because it could be a total waste of money and time. The i7 8700 can basically always max out a 3080 at those resolutions. Unless the OP is doing something more CPU or memory intensive, there's not much point in the upgrade

sorry I figured that part was obvious. That's why I said to go for it, if they have $600+ to literally burn. /shrug/ some people like to upgrade regardless of utility.