New gaming rig - RTX 3080 Ti

[helfisk]

Budget (including currency): N/A

Country: DK

 

I'm putting together a purchase list for a new gaming rig and could use some input along the way.

I'm going balls to the walls, within "reasonable" limits and plan on giving custom loop a go, as I value silent operation.

 

I've just ordered an RTX 3080 Ti from a local etailer but it will likely not arrive sooner than at least 8 business days.

Expected HW list:

• GPU: Asus RTX 3080 Ti TUF (Non-OC variant)
• CPU (Undecided)
  • Ryzen 5 5600x or
  • Ryzen 7 5800x
• RAM: Some 2x 16GB 3600 CL14 or 15 sticks (Seem to recall 3600mhz being optimal for Ryzen?)
• MB (Undecided)
  • MSI MAG B550M Mortar WiFi
  • ASUS TUF Gaming B550M-Plus (Wi-Fi)
• Cooling (Undecided, either for both CPU and GPU)
  • Single 280mm or
  • Single 360mm

 

Meanwhile, I was looking into PSU requirements, as I was fairly sure my old Corsair 650w wouldn't cut it (it also has a janky MB connector - so it's about time anyways).
My priority is a solid PSU that doesn't generate a lot of noise, preferably with a high efficiency rating

 

TL;DR

If I understand the PSU Tier List - Power Supplies thread correctly, any of the following should be fine for my purpose, but would appreciate confirmation:

• Corsair RM850x (2021)

• Seasonic Focus PX 850W

• Corsair RM1000X 2021 1000W

• Seasonic Prime Platinum 1300W

• Seasonic Prime TX-1000 Titanium 1000W

Edited September 8, 2021 by Helmer

[mr fobs]

CPU wize if you plan on mostly gaming the 5600x would be more than enough. If you plan on rendering or things like video editing then the 5800x.

3600MHz for Ryzen is the sweet spot. You could alway get CL16 and then try overclocking them, but if you can afford CL 15 or 14 then go for it.

EDIT: I run 3600 CL16 Trident Z NEO for my 5900x and it works very well. Just for reference.

 

ASUS for the Motherboard for sure.

for a 5600x or 5800x you won't see much cooling difference between a 280 and 360 rad, so that is a preference. If you are running for moth CPU and GPU, 2 280s would be enough. (2 240s would also be enough) but again that is more of a case compatibility looks thing at that point. Just make sure to run at least 2 rads. One 360 might be pushing the boundaries for enough cooling. Here is a link for some reference

 

Get at least an 850 B or A teir list PSU. The ones you listed are fine. The custom watercool will add some juice to the mix so maybe a 1000w just to be safe with some OC potential.

Hopefully this helped!

 

[jones177]

I would go with a 5800x. I have one with a 3080 ti and I like it.  It replaced an Intel 6 core and it is a lot smoother experience. 

 

I went with an x570 Master.  I only like the Hero for ASUS and I have yet to try an MSI board.

 

I have 4x8 3200 ram in mine since I already had it. If I was buying I would go with your choice.

 

I use a EK 360mm AIO and idle temps are in the low 30s and it games in the 50s and 60s so it would be fine with a 280mm.

 

I only buy 1000 watt PSUs now and the last 3 have been EVGA mainly because of price.  My reasoning is that GPUs will use more power in the future.

 

[helfisk]

9 minutes ago, mr fobs said:

CPU wize if you plan on mostly gaming the 5600x would be more than enough. If you plan on rendering or things like video editing then the 5800x.

3600MHz for Ryzen is the sweet spot. You could alway get CL16 and then try overclocking them, but if you can afford CL 15 or 14 then go for it.

EDIT: I run 3600 CL16 Trident Z NEO for my 5900x and it works very well. Just for reference.

 

ASUS for the Motherboard for sure.

for a 5600x or 5800x you won't see much cooling difference between a 280 and 360 rad, so that is a preference. If you are running for moth CPU and GPU, 2 280s would be enough. (2 240s would also be enough) but again that is more of a case compatibility looks thing at that point. Just make sure to run at least 2 rads. One 360 might be pushing the boundaries for enough cooling.

 

Get at least an 850 B or A teir list PSU. The ones you listed are fine. The custom watercool will add some juice to the mix so maybe a 1000w just to be safe with some OC potential.

Hopefully this helped!

 

Very helpful, appreciate the input - have some follow ups though:

1. Only reason for considering the 5800x is future proofing, in case games favor more cores in the future
2. Is dual rad necessary? I mean it adds more mass for the heat to soak into, but after hitting equilibrium, won't it offer basically the same cooling (thinking the hot air from rad1 will be going through rad2) 

4 minutes ago, jones177 said:

I would go with a 5800x. I have one with a 3080 ti and I like it.  It replaced an Intel 6 core and it is a lot smoother experience. 

 

I went with an x570 Master.  I only like the Hero for ASUS and I have yet to try an MSI board.

 

I have 4x8 3200 ram in mine since I already had it. If I was buying I would go with your choice.

 

I use a EK 360mm AIO and idle temps are in the low 30s and it games in the 50s and 60s so it would be fine with a 280mm.

 

I only buy 1000 watt PSUs now and the last 3 have been EVGA mainly because of price.  My reasoning is that GPUs will use more power in the future.

 

1. Is it possible the smoother experience is caused by the higher IPC and have nothing to do with the 2 additional cores?
2. Is the 360mm AIO cooling both CPU and GPU or just the CPU?

[jones177]

 

51 minutes ago, helfisk said:

1. Is it possible the smoother experience is caused by the higher IPC and have nothing to do with the 2 additional cores?
2. Is the 360mm AIO cooling both CPU and GPU or just the CPU?

I don't have a 5600x to test but I do have Intel 6, 8 and 10 core CPUs and the i9 9900k(8 core) is just as smooth as the 5800x(8 core) and the i9 10900k is even smoother. All make the Intel 6 core feel rough. 

 

It is this one. https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-aio-360-d-rgb

So only the CPU.

 

The GPU is a EVGA XC3 Ultra 3080 ti. 

 

[mr fobs]

1 hour ago, helfisk said:

Very helpful, appreciate the input - have some follow ups though:

1. Only reason for considering the 5800x is future proofing, in case games favor more cores in the future
2. Is dual rad necessary? I mean it adds more mass for the heat to soak into, but after hitting equilibrium, won't it offer basically the same cooling (thinking the hot air from rad1 will be going through rad2) 

I mean for the price difference You could go for it! (The 5800x)

 

You could have a dual rad set up where both are taking cold air in from the outside and exhausting through the case either through the back or side. You can definitely get away with one 360, but if you want that silent operation you'd be better with the 2 280s. You could also (maybe) get away with one 360 and a large reservoir that adds more liquid to the loop which would help with cooling. 

 

But another thing the dual rad adds is being able to run your gpu and cpu through their own rad. If you only have one, you would connect the cpu to the gpu in the loop. If you had dual, you can run the loop from the cpu, through a rad, then to the gpu and then through another rad. Yes equilibrium is a thing, but if both are pulling cold air from the outside, then you get a more efficient set up. 

 

One 360 is enough, but if you wanted the silent operation when under load then you would need more.

[helfisk]

2 minutes ago, mr fobs said:

I mean for the price difference You could go for it!

 

You could have a dual rad set up where both are taking cold air in from the outside and exhausting through the case either through the back or side. You can definitely get away with one 360, but if you want that silent operation you'd be better with the 2 280s. You could also (maybe) get away with one 360 and a large reservoir that adds more liquid to the loop which would help with cooling.

 

But another thing the dual rad adds is being able to run your gpu and cpu through their own rad. If you only have one, you would connect the cpu to the gpu in the loop. If you had dual, you can run the loop from the cpu, through a rad, then to the gpu and then through another rad. Yes equilibrium is a thing, but if both are pulling cold air from the outside, then you get a more efficient set up. 

So far, all the cases I've  didn't offer a logical way to add more than 1 dual or triple rad without pulling hot air through the 2nd rad.
I had hoped to go mATX, because that's plenty for my potential upgrade path, and I don't like the esthetics of a huge chunk of metal filled with empty space and unused PCI ports

 

I had originally considered an mITX build with the ssupd meshlicious, using a single 280 rad for both CPU and GPU (inspired by the following video) but due to sourcing issues decided against it (would have to order a CPU pump/res combo from china).
So, if I have to go dual rad and maintain a somewhat small footprint, I'm forced to use the o11 mini - which IMHO is an eyesore 

 

[mr fobs]

14 minutes ago, helfisk said:

So far, all the cases I've  didn't offer a logical way to add more than 1 dual or triple rad without pulling hot air through the 2nd rad.
I had hoped to go mATX, because that's plenty for my potential upgrade path, and I don't like the esthetics of a huge chunk of metal filled with empty space and unused PCI ports

 

 

There is this case! 

 

[mr fobs]

But yea I understand, having mATX and adequate cooling can be a challenge.

 

Like I said, one 360 is enough to cool the set up, so you could start there and then upgrade in the future if you find its too loud!

 

EDIT: There is also COrsairs Lian Li Clone that has a top 240mm and bottom 240mm mount AND a front 240mm mount.. You could either put a top and bttom 240mm drawing in cold air from top and bottom, with the front pushing it through the case and out the back OR just go ham with 3 240mm in the top front and bottom lol Here is the case.

[helfisk]

2 minutes ago, mr fobs said:

There is this case! 

 

Oh god that thing is ugly

1 minute ago, mr fobs said:

But yea I understand, having mATX and adequate cooling can be a challenge.

 

Like I said, one 360 is enough to cool the set up, so you could start there and then upgrade in the future if you find its too loud!

Thanks, definitely considering it!

 

Any experience with 360mm vs 280mm?
The difference in surface area is 40cm2, which doesn't seem like much - and I'm thinking maybe the 140mm fans can cool it at a lower noise level?

[mr fobs]

4 minutes ago, helfisk said:

Any experience with 360mm vs 280mm?
The difference in surface area is 40cm2, which doesn't seem like much - and I'm thinking maybe the 140mm fans can cool it at a lower noise level?

My only in person is with the difference between a 240 and 360 not making a big difference in cooling for a CPU like the 5800, 5600, 3700x etc. Once you throw a GPU in the mix things get interesting because you go from 125W of cooling to 300w + 125w of cooling or potentially more.

 

I am also going off of other posts of seen of builds typically having more than one rad..

[helfisk]

1 minute ago, mr fobs said:

My only in person is with the difference between a 240 and 360 not making a big difference in cooling for a CPU like the 5800, 5600, 3700x etc. Once you through a GPU in the mix things get interesting because you go from 125W of cooling to 300w + 125w of cooling or potentially more.

 

I am also going off of other posts of seen of builds typically having more than one rad..

Maybe I should consider air cooling the CPU and give the GPU a full 280 or 360 rad

[mr fobs]

That's a fair point. You could a stupid big AIr CPU cooler like the NH d15 and it would run near silent if it only has to cool a 5800x..

 

One other thought that popped into my head was you could potential run a 280mm if it were front mounted, then have the rest of the case be exhaust to pull more air through the rad.. or even double fan where you have 4 fans on one 280mm rad.. maybe I'm being crazy lol

[mr fobs]

Oh Shoot I think I just solved it. EK makes Thiccer radiators that are double the thiccness of regular ones!

 

I believe it is their XE line up

[helfisk]

15 minutes ago, mr fobs said:

That's a fair point. You could a stupid big AIr CPU cooler like the NH d15 and it would run near silent if it only has to cool a 5800x..

 

One other thought that popped into my head was you could potential run a 280mm if it were front mounted, then have the rest of the case be exhaust to pull more air through the rad.. or even double fan where you have 4 fans on one 280mm rad.. maybe I'm being crazy lol

That's actually close to what I had in mind, though not the push/pull part.
I'm considering

• Phanteks ENTHOO EVOLV MATX
  https://phanteks.com/Enthoo-Evolv-mATX-TemperedGlass.html
  [EDIT] Their site currently has a certificate issue for some reason, wasn't there earlier today
• A single 360 or 280 rad in front, PWM controlled noctua fans
• Dual 140 fans at fixed low rpm in the top, maybe RGB to add a little razzle dazzle
• Single 140 at the back, PWM controlled noctua 

Edited September 8, 2021 by helfisk

[helfisk]

1 minute ago, mr fobs said:

Oh Shoot I think I just solved it. EK makes Thiccer radiators that are double the thiccness of regular ones!

 

I believe it is their XE line up

That might actually be the answer!

[helfisk]

I know this is going to be a long read, please know, I greatly appreciate anyone taking the time to read and reply 

 

Following advice in this thread, this is the complete expected setup.

Advise and suggestions are welcome, anything raising a - please let me know. 

My goal is high performance at low noise.

 

Existing parts:

Asus RTX 3080 Ti TUF

Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB

 

https://dk.pcpartpicker.com/list/BHF9Vc

 

Breakdown

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor

• Doubt I will benefit from more cores
• Could be a ZEN 3+ revision coming later anyways

Chassis: Phanteks Evolv X

• Pros
  • This chassis can accommodate a 420mm (3x140) radiator in the front, acting as intake
  • Best looking chassis, I could find, that can accommodate 420mm radiator
  • Front air intake obstruction is apparently not an issue with this case
• Cons
  • PSU shroud hole, looking cheesy
  • Logo next to PSU shroud, looking cheesy - but can hopefully be removed easily
  • SSD "Window" on back side - but why?!
  • Top fans should only run at low RPM to avoid additional noise caused by turbulence

Motherboard: MSI MAG X570S TOMAHAWK MAX WIFI

• Pros
  • X570S meaning no chipset fan
  • PCI 4.0 for GPU as well as both NVMe slots
  • VRM design seems fine, and with sufficient cooling
  • Built-in WiFi is always nice to have
• Cons
  • Have a good upgrade path in terms of storage, but there is a good chance there won't be a next gen AM4 lineup, so it might be a waste of money - maybe save a little and go with a B550 board instead?
  • Not Asus

RAM: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL14 Memory

• Seems like a perfect fit?
• Did consider G.Skill Ripjaws V Black DDR4 3600MHz 2x16GB (F4-3600C14D-32GVK) instead, but those are listed with even higher voltages

PSU: SeaSonic FOCUS PX 850 W 80+ Platinum

• Total system load at peak, should be around 550w, meaning this PSU should perform at high efficiency while playing games

Cooling:

• EK-CoolStream CE 420
  • 3 x Noctua NF-A14 PWM chromax.black.swap
  • EK-Quantum Reflection Uni 140 D5 PWM D-RGB - Plexi
    • If I can get one, currently out of stock
    • Intended to be mounted at the 140mm back exhaust
• 2 x Corsair iCUE QL140
  • To be mounted on top bracket, running a lowest RPM fixed 

 

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