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Budget (including currency):  £1300 (Maximum)

Country: UK

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Purely gaming but will also be running more CPU demanding games like Football Manager etc.

Other details: It will need to be running a  RTX3080 Fe which is already in hand and everything is going into an existing 5000D Airflow case. Both of which are not a factor in the budget provided

 

Been looking around a few weeks but now the 3080 is in hand I need to start pulling the trigger on getting things ordered soon. I was thinking something like this but am really looking for more eyes to either spec it up or shave the cost with a little compromise

 

MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk Wifi - (£180)
Ryzen 5800x - (£370)
Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX (£148)
DOMINATOR® PLATINUM RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3600MHz C18 Memory Kit - (£140)
Samsung 1TB 980 Pro M.2 NVME - (£175)

RTX 3080 Founders Edition (Not Included In Budget)

Corsair RM850x 80 PLUS Gold (£119)

3x LL120 RGB Fans (£72) {for front intake}

 

Now i'm not dead set on AMD so feel free to change it up to Intel if needed. The AIO i'm not to sure about as I originally planned air cooling with a Noctua NH-U12S Chromax, however having the 3080Fe and the way it pulls/exhausts air i'm not sure if the Noctua will impact the card (even negligible) due to the size and closeness to the top of the card. An AIO fixes that issue, but the AIO being RGB pushed me to go RGB all over which was the complete opposite of my plan going in (I was only going to RGB the front intake fans) and as I am running a iCUE RGB Keyboard anyway I decided to go Corsair so it can all be controlled by 1 program.

 

Have at it any issues or better value for performance...

 

Thanks

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27 minutes ago, OffScript said:

Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX (£148)
DOMINATOR® PLATINUM RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3600MHz C18 Memory Kit - (£140)
Samsung 1TB 980 Pro M.2 NVME - (£175)

Horribly overpriced and uneccesary

27 minutes ago, OffScript said:

MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk Wifi - (£180)

I think you might be better off with a b550 gaming edge wifi

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23 minutes ago, OffScript said:

Budget (including currency):  £1300 (Maximum)

Country: UK

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Purely gaming but will also be running more CPU demanding games like Football Manager etc.

Other details: It will need to be running a  RTX3080 Fe which is already in hand and everything is going into an existing 5000D Airflow case. Both of which are not a factor in the budget provided

 

Been looking around a few weeks but now the 3080 is in hand I need to start pulling the trigger on getting things ordered soon. I was thinking something like this but am really looking for more eyes to either spec it up or shave the cost with a little compromise

 

MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk Wifi - (£180)
Ryzen 5800x - (£370)
Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX (£148)
DOMINATOR® PLATINUM RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3600MHz C18 Memory Kit - (£140)
Samsung 1TB 980 Pro M.2 NVME - (£175)

RTX 3080 Founders Edition (Not Included In Budget)

Corsair RM850x 80 PLUS Gold (£119)

3x LL120 RGB Fans (£72) {for front intake}

 

Now i'm not dead set on AMD so feel free to change it up to Intel if needed. The AIO i'm not to sure about as I originally planned air cooling with a Noctua NH-U12S Chromax, however having the 3080Fe and the way it pulls/exhausts air i'm not sure if the Noctua will impact the card (even negligible) due to the size and closeness to the top of the card. An AIO fixes that issue, but the AIO being RGB pushed me to go RGB all over which was the complete opposite of my plan going in (I was only going to RGB the front intake fans) and as I am running a iCUE RGB Keyboard anyway I decided to go Corsair so it can all be controlled by 1 program.

 

Have at it any issues or better value for performance...

 

Thanks

There are a bunch of big air coolers by several companies and they’re all cheaper than £148. I’ve seen some go for more like 60.  They compete with the DH15 not the 12s. Imho AIOs are for SFF, rgb, or portability.  Or things so hot that air/air can’t handle them.  Nothing like that out that I know of atm though in consumer space.

Not a pro, not even very good.  I’m just old and have time currently.  Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake.

 

Life is like a bowl of chocolates: there are all these little crinkly paper cups everywhere.

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2 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Imho AIOs are for SFF, rgb, or portability

Actual uses for them are better cpu cooling compared to air (if you get a good one like liquid freezer 360/420)

 

Sff builds that need alot of cooling

 

Having the cpu socket area decluttered and not blocked by a brick of a cooler so working around it is not a pain in the ass

 

 

Rgb is an incredibly dumb reason to get an aio, but if rgb is more like a bonus and not the primary or sole purpose of getting an aio then i would consider it justified

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41 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Actual uses for them are better cpu cooling compared to air (if you get a good one like liquid freezer 360/420)

 

Sff builds that need alot of cooling

 

Having the cpu socket area decluttered and not blocked by a brick of a cooler so working around it is not a pain in the ass

 

 

Rgb is an incredibly dumb reason to get an aio, but if rgb is more like a bonus and not the primary or sole purpose of getting an aio then i would consider it justified

Except that the heaviest load you can put on one is a max overclocked 10850k which is still barely over 200w, and the cpu in question is more like half of even that. There could be massive uses for 360 or 420 AIOs if wattages go high enough.  They just don’t right now.

 

re working room

so you do that what? Weekly? Monthly? More than just once to put it in and once to take it out over the entire multi year life of the machine?

 

Re: RGB is a dumb reason to get an AIO

Personally I would cut that sentence to “rgb is a dumb” I am not everyone though.  it does seem to be the most common reason people get them.  They like the colored fans in the case grating and they want a “reason” to put them there.  You can substitute “rgb” for “some dumb quasi/pseudo aesthetic stuff” if you like.  I thought rgb was less judgey.  Myself if I want sculpture I get sculpture. 

Not a pro, not even very good.  I’m just old and have time currently.  Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake.

 

Life is like a bowl of chocolates: there are all these little crinkly paper cups everywhere.

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2 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Horribly overpriced and uneccesary

 

Can't argue they are overpriced. After deciding on 360 for purely aesthetics I was looking at EK AIO or an Arctic Freezer II 360 but the Arctic just wont fit up top in a push config due to size and the EK is so difficult to get in the UK without it costing way more than it should. Corsair was just the happy medium of it does its job and saves me having to install multiple software for different rgb.

 

2 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

I think you might be better off with a b550 gaming edge wifi

 

Out of curiosity what makes you think that would be better?

 

2 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

There are a bunch of big air coolers by several companies and they’re all cheaper than £148. I’ve seen some go for more like 60.  They compete with the DH15 not the 12s. Imho AIOs are for SFF, rgb, or portability.  Or things so hot that air/air can’t handle them.  Nothing like that out that I know of atm though in consumer space.

 

As I said Air cooling was the original plan but the 3080Fe cooling system I just feel will be impacted by a big block sitting so close to the GPU and the GPU takes precedence over CPU in my mind so air cooling is off the table for that reason alone I think.

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5 hours ago, OffScript said:

 

Can't argue they are overpriced. After deciding on 360 for purely aesthetics I was looking at EK AIO or an Arctic Freezer II 360 but the Arctic just wont fit up top in a push config due to size and the EK is so difficult to get in the UK without it costing way more than it should. Corsair was just the happy medium of it does its job and saves me having to install multiple software for different rgb.

 

 

Out of curiosity what makes you think that would be better?

 

 

As I said Air cooling was the original plan but the 3080Fe cooling system I just feel will be impacted by a big block sitting so close to the GPU and the GPU takes precedence over CPU in my mind so air cooling is off the table for that reason alone I think.

Might possibly. Standard solution for that currently is to make sure there is lots of airflow. Putting on a bigger air/air rad could also do it though.  If you like it you like it though. 5800 doesn’t even put out as much heat as some older i5s which were 125w rather than 105.  105 is bigger than 65w which is a pretty common heat output for chips these days. It will definitely work.

Not a pro, not even very good.  I’m just old and have time currently.  Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake.

 

Life is like a bowl of chocolates: there are all these little crinkly paper cups everywhere.

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PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor  (£496.67 @ Technextday)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 A-RGB 48.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (£111.11 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI MPG B550 GAMING EDGE WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£139.97 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  (£95.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital SN750 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£112.01 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£89.99 @ AWD-IT)
Total: £1045.74
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-08-10 16:01 BST+0100

geometry is hard
b550 > x570

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PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor  (£496.67 @ Technextday)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 A-RGB 48.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (£111.11 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI MPG B550 GAMING EDGE WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£139.97 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  (£95.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital SN750 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£112.01 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£89.99 @ AWD-IT)
Total: £1045.74
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-08-10 16:01 BST+0100

I think this is better and you can also addd the rgb fans

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15 hours ago, Downkey said:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor  (£496.67 @ Technextday)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 A-RGB 48.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (£111.11 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI MPG B550 GAMING EDGE WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£139.97 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  (£95.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital SN750 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£112.01 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£89.99 @ AWD-IT)
Total: £1045.74
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-08-10 16:01 BST+0100

It's certainly interesting, but the Arctic Liquid Freezer is a no go as it wont fit in the case mounted up top. Then pairing the 5900X on B550 and a non 4.0 M.2 seems like a slight waste no? I mean would this be better:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor  (£496.67 @ Technextday)
CPU Cooler: EK EK-AIO Basic 360 77 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: *MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£179.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: *Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  (£80.39 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: *Western Digital Black SN850 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£156.71 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: *Corsair RMx (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£118.47 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £1032.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-08-11 07:17 BST+0100

 

Obviously that final price doesn't include the price of the EK-AIO Basic 360 but that would add another £102.45 to the total making a true Total: £1134.68. So for only £100 more its x570 and Gen 4.0 nvme.

 

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9 minutes ago, OffScript said:

It's certainly interesting, but the Arctic Liquid Freezer is a no go as it wont fit in the case mounted up top. Then pairing the 5900X on B550 and a non 4.0 M.2 seems like a slight waste no? I mean would this be better:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor  (£496.67 @ Technextday)
CPU Cooler: EK EK-AIO Basic 360 77 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: *MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£179.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: *Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  (£80.39 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: *Western Digital Black SN850 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£156.71 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: *Corsair RMx (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£118.47 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £1032.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-08-11 07:17 BST+0100

 

Obviously that final price doesn't include the price of the EK-AIO Basic 360 but that would add another £102.45 to the total making a true Total: £1134.68. So for only £100 more its x570 and Gen 4.0 nvme.

 

There’s also the case to consider.  It makes the point though.  The column addition done by the site is irrelevant mostly. 

Not a pro, not even very good.  I’m just old and have time currently.  Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake.

 

Life is like a bowl of chocolates: there are all these little crinkly paper cups everywhere.

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3 hours ago, OffScript said:

It's certainly interesting, but the Arctic Liquid Freezer is a no go as it wont fit in the case mounted up top. Then pairing the 5900X on B550 and a non 4.0 M.2 seems like a slight waste no? I mean would this be better:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor  (£496.67 @ Technextday)
CPU Cooler: EK EK-AIO Basic 360 77 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: *MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£179.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: *Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  (£80.39 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: *Western Digital Black SN850 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£156.71 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: *Corsair RMx (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£118.47 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £1032.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-08-11 07:17 BST+0100

 

Obviously that final price doesn't include the price of the EK-AIO Basic 360 but that would add another £102.45 to the total making a true Total: £1134.68. So for only £100 more its x570 and Gen 4.0 nvme.

 

If you're not dead set on water cooling and if it fits, it might make sense to go with the nh-u12A, its basically an updated design of the nh-u12s, with the fans being insanely good, its cooling is so good despite its size its considered on par with the nh-d15 (which is much bigger)

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7 hours ago, OffScript said:

It's certainly interesting, but the Arctic Liquid Freezer is a no go as it wont fit in the case mounted up top. Then pairing the 5900X on B550 and a non 4.0 M.2 seems like a slight waste no? I mean would this be better:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor  (£496.67 @ Technextday)
CPU Cooler: EK EK-AIO Basic 360 77 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: *MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£179.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: *Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  (£80.39 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: *Western Digital Black SN850 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£156.71 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: *Corsair RMx (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£118.47 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £1032.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-08-11 07:17 BST+0100

 

Obviously that final price doesn't include the price of the EK-AIO Basic 360 but that would add another £102.45 to the total making a true Total: £1134.68. So for only £100 more its x570 and Gen 4.0 nvme.

 

Why do you need a PCIE GEN 4 drive?

Also no, just because your board supports a GEN4 drive doesn't mean it's a waste too not get gen4. It is a complete waste of money for you and a good NVME drive will last you for years.

geometry is hard
b550 > x570

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7 hours ago, OffScript said:

It's certainly interesting, but the Arctic Liquid Freezer is a no go as it wont fit in the case mounted up top. Then pairing the 5900X on B550 and a non 4.0 M.2 seems like a slight waste no? I mean would this be better:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor  (£496.67 @ Technextday)
CPU Cooler: EK EK-AIO Basic 360 77 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: *MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£179.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: *Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  (£80.39 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: *Western Digital Black SN850 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£156.71 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: *Corsair RMx (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£118.47 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £1032.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-08-11 07:17 BST+0100

 

Obviously that final price doesn't include the price of the EK-AIO Basic 360 but that would add another £102.45 to the total making a true Total: £1134.68. So for only £100 more its x570 and Gen 4.0 nvme.

 

Also, you don't need the RMX over the RM, and X570 is still a waste of money here.

geometry is hard
b550 > x570

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1 hour ago, Downkey said:

Why do you need a PCIE GEN 4 drive?

Also no, just because your board supports a GEN4 drive doesn't mean it's a waste too not get gen4. It is a complete waste of money for you and a good NVME drive will last you for years.

 

Looking at it I just saw it as a negligible saving so why not go for the GEN4, just in case they manage to squeeze the speeds provided on newer software built around it but realistically that wont happen in this PC's lifetime so yeah on reflection take the saving and go SN750

 

1 hour ago, Downkey said:

Also, you don't need the RMX over the RM, and X570 is still a waste of money here.

 

While i get that I could save a little going B550 over X570 the price difference is so negligible for the benefits like more USB on the board, and while completely stupid the lack of rgb lighting on the board itself is better for what I am looking for. The RMx is just better quality compared to RM and is a piece of mind after bad experience with older RM PSU

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